Idaho Bans Transgender From Women and Girl's Athletics

[Mountainmanbob]

Idaho is one of those states that hasn't ordered a lock-down to protect its citizens, but they've managed to find time to ban transgenders from women's and girl's athletics - you could never make this up because nobody would believe it!

Idaho Gov. Brad Little issues stay-at-home order as more states tighten restrictions amid coronavirus outbreak

 

[Kaon]

As a thought experiment:

What about transgender students who identify as male? Which team do they play on? If they play on the men's team, then the law is inconsistent and discriminatory. If they play on the women's team, then they may have physical advantages if they've started hormone therapy.

Why do humans trust other humans (who, culturally lie and steal for fun) with gene or hormone therapy? Is history not enough of a reminder of what happens when we let humans experiment on humans?

Ignorance of history, and a want to repeat it is what has led people to the point where they are so confused about love that they change their entire outward appearance to fit the illusion of what they want to be and believe they are.

It should be absolutely clear that, for example, a trans female gets the benefit of massive doses of testosterone to produce thicker bones and stronger muscles over several years. Even a transformation at 16 would not "calibrate" hormone levels of cis men to that of an average female. There is a clear advantage for a trans female playing in female sports, and we have to stop acting like it isn't true or blatant.

In a similar way, a cis female should not be playing competitive sports with cis males identifying as a male.

They law has always been Babylonian; there was a time when trading humans was legal, and watching humans considered animals die painful deaths was a pastime in America. Law is a poor barometer for morality and spirituality - specifically because it is maleable, and most people don't read it anyway.

 

[lordjeff]

Maybe some govs are wary about cracking down too much on the people's right to travel. After all we have a certain party in the country that seems to promote self-travel by those who don't want to do it the legal way but rather the illegal way. The trans thing-why all of a sudden is the party who says they believe in science now denying science.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

After all we have a certain party in the country that seems to promote self-travel by those who don't want to do it the legal way


but rather the illegal way. The trans thing-why all of a sudden is the party who says they believe in science now denying science.

They lean whatever way the wind blows.
Very unstable and unpredictable.
Not knowing themselves what they want.
Complaining #1 on their list.
For decades nothing positive shared.
M-Bob

 

[Hank77]

Idaho is one of those states that hasn't ordered a lock-down to protect its citizens, but they've managed to find time to ban transgenders from women's and girl's athletics - you could never make this up because nobody would believe it!

You are mistaken and he is getting a lot of flack from the more libertarian legislators in the state but the State Attorney General is backing him up.

Idaho announced its first confirmed COVID-19 case on March 13. That same day, Little issued an emergency declaration to activate the state’s emergency operations plan.

Upon confirmation of the state’s first community-spread case, on March 25, Little announced an extreme emergency declaration and issued a 21-day stay-home order for everyone except for “essential businesses.”


At the time Little issued the order, fewer than 20 states had issued a comparable statewide order.


Enacting the order was the “right thing to do ... from a scientific basis, from a health care basis and from a legal basis,” Little said during an Idaho Public Television interview Thursday.


Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241743721.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Hank77]

Only if they're competing as women. The way testing works is related to levels of hormones in the body, not just the presence. Men all have testosterone, so if a FtM transgender individual was competing as a man and taking testosterone, they would be fine so long as their testosterone levels were within the normal range for a man of the same age. Steroids wouldn't be okay, obviously.

And the same should be true of MtF transgender - so long as their hormones fall within the normal range for a woman of the same age, they should be allowed to compete as a woman.

Female hormones are not going to change the size and strength of male teens.
IF my grandson, who just turned 15, decided to start taking female hormones today it's not going to change the fact that he is already 6ft. tall weighs about 170, shoe size 11, and has hands with fingers that reach more than an octave on the piano. It wouldn't be fair for him to compete against girls his own age, it just wouldn't and it's not all about winning a game. In many instances, girls are competing for college scholarships in sports. Should white people be competing against Native Americans for scholarships that were set up specifically for Native Americans, I don't think so. Women's scholarships have allowed low middle-income and low-income girls/women to achieve futures that they could only dream about in the past and those futures shouldn't be stolen from them by boys/men who want to be girls/women.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Female hormones are not going to change the size and strength of male teens.
IF my grandson, who just turned 15, decided to start taking female hormones today it's not going to change the fact that he is already 6ft. tall weighs about 170, shoe size 11, and has hands with fingers that reach more than an octave on the piano. It wouldn't be fair for him to compete against girls his own age, it just wouldn't and it's not all about winning a game. In many instances, girls are competing for college scholarships in sports. Should white people be competing against Native Americans for scholarships that were set up specifically for Native Americans, I don't think so. Women's scholarships have allowed low middle-income and low-income girls/women to achieve futures that they could only dream about in the past and those futures shouldn't be stolen from them by boys/men who want to be girls/women.

You're partially correct - it wouldn't change his height (maybe slightly due to pelvic rotation, but not much), foot size, or hand size. However, it would change his muscle mass and distribution, so he would probably no longer weight 170 lbs and would have the muscle structure and distribution of a woman. I guarantee you that I could find a 15-year-old girl who is 6 ft tall - my sister played basketball with a girl that size in middle school.

As for the scholarship argument, I see that more as a knock on our education system. There's a way to fix that without discriminating against transgendered individuals (or anyone).

 

[Hank77]

You're partially correct - it wouldn't change his height (maybe slightly due to pelvic rotation, but not much), foot size, or hand size. However, it would change his muscle mass and distribution, so he would probably no longer weight 170 lbs and would have the muscle structure and distribution of a woman.

It's my understanding that this change happens over years of treatments not months.

Besides that, there are no laws that say a transgender girl/woman has to actually be receiving any hormone treatments they just have to declare themselves a girl/woman.
Public school systems shouldn't be responsible for hormone testing.

 

[Sketcher]

Good.