I Would Be LIVID!

[hedrick]

Exactly. Things always start with a drop and then that drop becomes a trickle and if things are not checked it can turn into a deluge.

Vaccination decisions should be left up to parents. If the government wants to influence people they have far better means at their disposal. They can run education programs and put incentives in place, like tax cuts or a $300 parenting payment on proof of vaccination. Not force things and turn them into mandates and laws. This is the very thing that create these protest marches and protests are a sure way to get the virus to spread.

The vast majority of parents will get their child vaccinated, its a small minority who will choose not to, but they should still be free to do that. In most cases the herd immunity protects those children anyway. But by educating and having incentives you may find some of the resistant come around by themselves and then its even a smaller number who choose not to.

Unfortunately decisions affect others. This has been true in the last few years for measles, and has been also for Covid. Laws like this are a compromise. The hope is that they will raise the vaccination rates enough to avoid epidemics, and thus stronger action won't be needed.

By now I think we're reached the limit of what education of parents can do. Discussions in CF make it clear that a fair number of people simply won't believe the truth. If it just affects them, I'd be happy to leave them alone. However when it affects the health of their children and the community as a whole, there's a limit. Just where that limit should be is a question on which people can legitimately disagree.

 

[Archivist]

Being at a meeting and watching things get passed that you are powerless to stop is little comfort.

But it isn’t being done behind peoples backs as was claimed in the post to which I responded.

 

[renniks]

Most people are pulled both ways on that one. And it's like that with the J&J vaccine. I assume you realize that none of the cells used have ever actually been part of an embryo.

A distinction without a difference.

 

[coffee4u]

But it isn’t being done behind peoples backs as was claimed in the post to which I responded.

Will it matter if it was done in front of or behind backs? It is the laws and what the punishments for breaking these laws will bring that are important.
Tiananmen square was known throughout the world, sure didn't help those killed one bit.

 

[Archivist]

Will it matter if it was done in front of or behind backs? It is the laws and what the punishments for breaking these laws will bring that are important.

I was simply responding to what Hendricks said in his post. It was not done behind parents backs.

Tiananmen square was known throughout the world, sure didn't help those killed one bit.

Wrong. Tiananmen Square was known throughout the world after it happened. The Communist Chinese did not hold a public meeting where it was decided that troops would be sent in.

 

[coffee4u]

I was simply responding to what Hendricks said in his post. It was not done behind parents backs.



Wrong. Tiananmen Square was known throughout the world after it happened. The Communist Chinese did not hold a public meeting where it was decided that troops would be sent in.

I do know it was after it happened. Point is government is not to be trusted with your children.

 

[The Barbarian]

Most people are pulled both ways on that one. And it's like that with the J&J vaccine. I assume you realize that none of the cells used have ever actually been part of an embryo.

A distinction without a difference.

If you believe a fetus is a human being there's a difference. So it matters to me.

 

[Archivist]

I do know it was after it happened. Point is government is not to be trusted with your children.

You are seriously comparing decisions made undercover by a Communist government to decisions made at a public meeting of a freely elected body? I don’t think so.

 

[coffee4u]

You are seriously comparing decisions made undercover by a Communist government to decisions made at a public meeting of a freely elected body? I don’t think so.

Not exactly if you had read my posts. Things start as a drop here and a drop there, then become a trickle if people are not aware and keep handing over their rights, until one day you wake up and the government has taken most of your rights.

 

[Archivist]

Not exactly if you had read my posts. Things start as a drop here and a drop there, then become a trickle if people are not aware and keep handing over their rights, until one day you wake up and the government has taken most of your rights.

I did read your posts, and what is happening on DC is nothing like what happened in China during Tiananmen Square. There is no comparison.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

I did read your posts, and what is happening on DC is nothing like what happened in China during Tiananmen Square. There is no comparison.

Right, the whole "You'll wake up one day and the US will be like communist China" is laugh-able. It's paranoia really.

Come to think of it, people thought this of Affordable Care Act or socialized healthcare (like that of Europe) that we could only dream of having here, and have people shout "that's socialism! Don't do it!!"

 

[The Barbarian]

Not exactly if you had read my posts. Things start as a drop here and a drop there, then become a trickle if people are not aware and keep handing over their rights, until one day you wake up and the government has taken most of your rights.

So it's better if a mob does it to you? I don't think so.

 

[grasping the after wind]

The decision was made at a public meeting. What exactly was done behind the parents backs?

"Under the law, students can have vaccines administered to them without their parents' knowledge because insurance providers are required to "seek reimbursement, without parental consent ..."

The decision was to so do something behind parent's backs.

 

[The Barbarian]

I did read your posts, and what is happening on DC is nothing like what happened in China during Tiananmen Square. There is no comparison.

It happened once...

Some of Trump's people apologized for it later, but it happened. Peaceful demonstrators were attacked and driven from the square so Trump could wave a Bible for a photo op in front of a church.

 

[Archivist]

"Under the law, students can have vaccines administered to them without their parents' knowledge because insurance providers are required to "seek reimbursement, without parental consent ..."

The decision was to so do something behind parent's backs.

But the decision was made at a public meeting. If a child goes behind their parents’ back that is there choice.

 

[Archivist]

It happened once...

Some of Trump's people apologized for it later, but it happened. Peaceful demonstrators were attacked and driven from the square so Trump could wave a Bible for a photo op in front of a church.

I am anything but a Trump supporter. I don’t understand how anyone can support this evil man. What he did was wrong. But, you can’t seriously be comparing the Chinese Army killing thousands with the police using tear gas on those protesting in DC.

 

[grasping the after wind]

But the decision was made at a public meeting. If a child goes behind their parents’ back that is there choice.

That is the least convincing rationalization I have heard in my life and I have heard a lot of them.

 

[Archivist]

That is the least convincing rationalization I have heard in my life and I have heard a lot of them.

The decision was made at a public meeting. Why can’t you get that?

 

[The Barbarian]

I am anything but a Trump supporter. I don’t understand how anyone can support this evil man. What he did was wrong. But, you can’t seriously be comparing the Chinese Army killing thousands with the police using tear gas on those protesting in DC.

It's a valid point. But keep in mind, the only reason that the Chinese dictator got away with it was because the army backed him up. What happens next time, when the next guy figures out how to get the army under his control?

The two episodes differ in scale, not in kind.

 

[Archivist]

It's a valid point. But keep in mind, the only reason that the Chinese dictator got away with it was because the army backed him up. What happens next time, when the next guy figures out how to get the army under his control?

The two episodes differ in scale, not in kind.

Yes, but the school board decision was made at a public meeting.