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I want to marry a non-Christian.

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:swoon: I am married to an unbeliever...I am well aware of the verse "be ye not unequally yoked...". Truth be told I've often felt like I was unequally yoked when hooked up with believers (those within my circle of know-how)...in fact, I don't feel unequally yoked with my unbelieving husband though I sincerely pray for his salvation for I believe, with all my heart, that Jesus is the truth, the way and the life...we have difference of opinions...we respect each other's different beliefs and have a loving relationship...I am very fortunate to have such a loving and caring husband...I love him dearly...I have felt guilty about doing this but at the same time I felt like God was telling me He meant us to be...doubt anyone else will agree with that...The verses that I kept getting were 1 Peter 3: 1-4, "Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. 4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight." The verse spoke to my heart and I don't regret marrying my husband...This is my experience...
 
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Hi Sandya

And welcome to UY at CF, I am really happy for you that you can see your marriage so positively. I think you will find that this forum is frequented by mostly kindred spirits, in that we all feel that our marriages are important to God and to us, we all love our spouses unconditionally and we would all love to see them hand over their lives to Jesus and join us in our faith!

We have people at all parts of this journey from not long wed to having withstood the ravages of time and life for many years.

Join us in the Check in thread and share with us on this journey, we try to be supportive and helpful of the particular issues that come from having a non believing spouse. And so far nobody has been bitten here that I know of!

Lovely to have you here!

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hi,
i totally understand what your going through. i really like this guy and he likes me but the thing is he's an unbeliever. i've been a born again christian for about 4 years. and i love God more than anything else. its not that Christianity isolates others, its more that God wants to protect us from the consequences that sin causes. in 2 Corinth 6: 14- 15 clearly says do not be yoked with an unbeliever. when you accept Christ into your heart you become a born again in the spirit. an unbeliever will always be in the flesh not in the spirit. how can you expect darkness and light to move in harmony? its not possible.
i'm not saying that its going to be easy. it your choice what you want to do. but the Word of God also says that He will give us strength to face any challenges and that God heals the broken heart. the thing is God will heal your broken heart and pray that He will also heal the heart of the guy your with. who knows maybe sometime in the future, by seeing the sacrifice you made because you put God above all,he might also become curious about the significance of Christ and accept Christ into his heart.
if your actions don't line up with the word of God it is a sin.
Your in my prayers
 
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I understand the way you feel. When we are in love it is difficult to believe God could possibly be against it. All relationships are difficult at times, but if you are unequelly yoked you will have more struggles, you will suffer the consequences of your decision and you will not be able to share the most important part of your life with the most important person in it. Please be careful.
I don't want to nag, but I can only speak from experience. Praing for you xxxx
 
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hey guys, i said something in the first page or 2 of this thread and never came back to it. i see now that i got a lot of negative responses. I am sorry to have offended anyone, i did not mean for that at all. No, I am not married, nor have I ever been. I am soon to be engaged to a wonderful Christian man. I just for some reason got mad when they were saying it is always horrid blah blah blah. I was just stating that there are exceptions (like my parents) and that we should be happy that those exceptions occured. :) I was living in the dorms of a very liberal secular college at the time i wrote the post as well and honestly had skewed thoughts on many things. Looking back, I can't believe I said some of that stuff. I think it is ok to have friends who are non believers, heck even guy friends, but if you are dating with the intent to marry you should most likely not be dating a non believer. sorry, i know this is an old thread, but i felt compelled to correct what i meant . Thanks for your patience with me

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Hi Justaspeck,

Kudos for your courage! Congratulations that you are dating a Christian man. I won't say I was offended by your earlier remarks, I just strongly disagreed. But now I strongly agree with your recent post. I'm glad you are not living in the dorms of a liberal secular college any more, and I'm glad you see the value of dating Christians vs. nonChristians.

This was a very popular thread at the time, and you bringing it back will probably lead many others to read it. Hopefully, they will see the wisdom of dating Christians.

Best wishes on your Christian engagement and marriage!

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Justaspeck,

That takes courage and wisdom! Well done! And thank you for coming back to put things right I (for one among many I think) appreciate it!

Oh and yes you are forgiven!

I hope to see you around the Marriage Forums some more soon, but not in here!!!!

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Lily,
as a man married for 24 years 9mo and 27? days to a non believer. every day it is by the grace of God I get through. some weeks are good some years are bad. I love my wife and trust God to remedy the situation, In his time. Waiting on the Lord may be good for me but it is no fun.
Let me relate to you the story of a woman from my church.
She was living with her boyfriend when she got saved. She came under conviction and moved out . She made it clear to him that she would not live or sleep with him outside of marriage. And that she would not marry an unbeliever. He was mad. At first it looked like the end but within 3 weeks he had a spiritual turn around he was born again. His family has been saved through him the couple married and have a better relationship than they ever had living together. I wish I had been as wise as this woman before I went from an unGodly relationship into an unGodly marriage. Perhaps if I had taken such steps my wife would have hit bottom the and been saved or God would have sent me in another direction with different blessings.
Regardless of your decision please stay in contact I trust that at least most of us hopefully all. Wouldn't think of saying "I told you so" if you ignore our advice and I would hate to see you suffer alone for fear of stupid, self rightous people. I have only been on here three days but I have only seen loving Godly people not uptight "religious" people.
Peace in Christ,
Cory
 
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Mixed marriages were quite common in NT times. The unequally yoked verse that is used so often actually is about not mixing pagan and Christian patterns of worship, and does not refer to marriage. Don't get guilty because of that verse.

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Mixed marriages were quite common in NT times. The unequally yoked verse that is used so often actually is about not mixing pagan and Christian patterns of worship, and does not refer to marriage. Don't get guilty because of that verse.

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I agree that the verses were not specifically directed at marriage. I disagree with you that the principle doesn't apply to marriage.

2 Corinthians says, "What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever...", not "What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever in worship, but in marriage it doesn't matter..."

I hope your wife is a Christian. For those of us who live with an unsaved mate, we know that on many core issues a believer and an unbeliever can disagree, much more than two believers or two unbelievers.

I understand you believe the principle is narrowly applied to the worship situation. I don't agree with you.

JohnNZ, I respect your opinion on many issues, but I do not agree with your application of these verses. You post here periodically saying the same thing. Do you have any practical advice for those living in difficult marriages due to the wide spiritual gap between a believer and an unbeliever?
 
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I hold to my position on those verses. Yes my wife is a christian.

Advice? Sometimes the Christian-non Christian issue gets out of proportion in two ways. You can so want the spiritual component of your marriage that you can overlook the many other very worthwhile characteristics of your spouse. Also, there are Christian marriages that lack closeness and spiritual intimacy. Marriage is a complex issue with many aspects to consider and just being a Christian does not mean that you will have a great marriage. In fact the divorce rate amongst Christians is around that of non Christians these days. Then there are many Christian families with children far away from God.

Paul's advice was 1 Cor 7:17-24

17 Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you — although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24 Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

We are to find God where we are. I am sure slaves were not that happy with their lot, but they had no choice about that. Find the reality of God in your circumstances. He is the true source of our deepest joys and satisfactions.

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Mixed marriages were quite common in NT times. The unequally yoked verse that is used so often actually is about not mixing pagan and Christian patterns of worship, and does not refer to marriage. Don't get guilty because of that verse.
You forgot the rest of the verse: "for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

The word "yoked" speaks to a partnership, period. Fellowship speaks to the interaction. I don't know what your definition of partnership and/or fellowship is, but in my dictionary, both of these terms would include marriage.

Do you have any practical advice for those living in difficult marriages due to the wide spiritual gap between a believer and an unbeliever?
I'd be interested to hear the answer to this.
 
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John while I find your take interesting I find it incomplete verse 15 specificaly mentions individual beleivers
2cor6:15 ..or what part has a beleiver with an unbeleiver?
I beleive this applies to and yoke taken up by beleivers and may include marriage a business partnership or other relationships. in Earlier verces there is mention of there being no condemnation wich taken as a whole I personaly beleive is a warning against the legalism that tends to come off such statements and while in the context of the church it carries weight as a comand to the church in the individual I take it as Godly advise ignored at our own peril.
Certainly even Believers can have problems but adding to the problem with the vast casm between beleivers and not is just asking for trouble.
In my own life there no thing that is not in some way tied to my Christian faith my wife does not share that so even the most mundane things can be spiritual warfare within my household.
As to the statistics on marriage keep in mind that the definition of Christian used in the studies is the most broad either does at least on member attend church with some fequency or does one or both parties describe themselves as Christian. In both cases that assumes the 80+% that claim to be Christain are as opposed to the 10-20% of the population that claims to be born again.
But let me reiterate I do not think we should condemn anyone for being in an Unequal relationship. It will cause enough pain of it's own, and we have no business pointing out the spec in our brothers eye.
peace In Christ,
Cory
 
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John

I have to agree with my brothers and sister here, and I personally take exception to any one that is not in this situation providing me with advice on this matter.

I accept what you say about the complex nature of marriage and that focussing on only one aspect is detrimental to marriage, but it has to be said that unless you have walked in the shoes of one that is living with the tension of an unequally yoked marriage you cannot easily understand the difficulties or dynamics of it.

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I hold to my position on those verses. Yes my wife is a christian.

Advice? Sometimes the Christian-non Christian issue gets out of proportion in two ways. You can so want the spiritual component of your marriage that you can overlook the many other very worthwhile characteristics of your spouse. Also, there are Christian marriages that lack closeness and spiritual intimacy. Marriage is a complex issue with many aspects to consider and just being a Christian does not mean that you will have a great marriage. In fact the divorce rate amongst Christians is around that of non Christians these days. Then there are many Christian families with children far away from God.

Paul's advice was 1 Cor 7:17-24

17 Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you — although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24 Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

We are to find God where we are. I am sure slaves were not that happy with their lot, but they had no choice about that. Find the reality of God in your circumstances. He is the true source of our deepest joys and satisfactions.

John
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The name of this forum doesn't matter a whit. It doesn't even matter if the verses in 2 Corinthians 6:14+ refer to marriage or not. People come to this forum and ask for our advice about marrying an unbeliever based on our life experiences, not based on our interpretation of 2 Corinthians 6:14.

You continually posting here that it's not a big deal to marry an unbeliever, and that we can find God in our life experiences, is like me posting in the Alcohol Abuse forum that according to the Bible it's okay to have a drink everyday, regardless of the possible repercussions... and that one can find joy in God even if one has bad experiences with alcohol, and gets trapped (or a family member gets trapped) in the grips of alcoholism. Such is true, but far better to avoid such a life if possible.

One can also find God in the depths of drug use, extreme poverty, repressive governments, debilitating physical injuries, etc., but if one avoids those issues, God can still be their source of joy under better circumstances.

For you to continually say it's fine to marry an unbeliever makes a mockery of the unique difficulties we go through. Not everyone who drinks becomes a raging alcoholic, yet it's still appropriate to warn others of the danger, especially when people are considering entering that lifestyle. So it is with marrying an unbeleiver.

For you to claim Christian marriages suffer similar rates of divorce as non-Christian marriages seems to reduce the measure of happiness in marriage to whether a couple divorces or not. We both know there is much more to it than that. Actually, your mention of those statistics isn't really relevant to this forum since you didn't provide statistics of the divorce rate for marriages between Christians and non-Christians.

You also continually mention how marriages between Christians and non-Christians were common in NT times. Of course they were common: Christianity had just started. Just because something was common in NT times doesn't mean we should strive for it today. It was common not to have indoor plumbing back then also, but I don't think we should strive for a return to that.

The remarriage forum is a place for those who are in similar life circumstances to receive support and share unique life experiences, even if others do not agree with their views. Dissenting views on scriptural references to remarriage are not even allowed there. This forum is similar in that we receive support from each other and share unique life experiences. I'm not saying your views are not allowed here, but I am saying the interpretation of the unequally-yoked passage for our situation is largely or totally irrelevant.

You continually posting here that it's not such a bad thing to marry an unbeliever overlooks the extreme difficulties that can come about when there is a large and growing spiritual gap between a couple. I'm guessing you have never experienced such a gap. Even if your wife was not a Christian at some point, I'm guessing she wasn't openly hostile to the things of Christ in your life for years on end, such as not speaking to you for days after you attended church, or using God's name in vain repeatedly in front of the children, or openly living a repulsive lifestyle and flaunting it in your face. If you had lived in such difficult circumstances, I think you would have a little more compassion for those in difficult marriages with unbelievers.

I agree that not all marriages to unbelievers turn out so bad. Many or most here truly love their mates, and desperately want to have better marriages. Some come here to help others in difficult circumstances. Yet we would be negligent if we didn't warn others considering such a life of the possible circumstances.

I think you make a mockery of the difficulties many of us face having a spiritual chasm between us and our spouse. Not to mention the moment-by-moment realization that if our mates don't turn to God, they will not spend eternity in heaven. You also don't mention the ramifications such a marriage often has on children, where perhaps the father ridicules God openly and as such may drive the children away from God... or where the father refuses to allow the family to attend church. Yet a person married to one such as this is still bound to stay in the marriage based on 1 Corinthians 7:12-13... and that passage leaves no ambiguity.

I still respect the vast majority of your opinions, John. But I do not see where you are being edifying or helpful by continually posting here about your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 6:14. Your opinion and my opinion of the unequally-yoked verses do nothing to help those in difficult marriages due to the wide spiritual gap that comes with being married to an unbeliever.

I will agree with you that at times focusing on the spiritual gap and the fact that if our loved one dies, they won't go to heaven, can take away some of the happiness in marriage. That's reasonable. I will agree with you that at times we can still enjoy our lives with our mates and find joy in God in our circumstances. But I think you overlook or are unaware of how being married to an unbeliever can affect one's daily life and the lives of our children. Yes, we can find our joy in God in difficult times... so can the wife of a raging alcoholic, a paraplegic who was injured taking part in dangerous activity, one living in extreme poverty, etc. But far better, IMO, for the person to find joy in God and not have to live under those conditions for perhaps the rest of their life.

I realize for some, the only way they turned to God was by being in difficult living circumstances. I understand that. Yet I will still warn those considering such lifestyles of the possible consequences of their choices, whether it be the consequences of choosing to drink, engaging in dangerous activities, not valuing school, etc. And the same with marrying an unbeliever: for me to not warn others would make me negligent and possibly culpable.

Sometimes we live in a battle zone every day. Based on your posts here, I don't think you fully grasp the magnitude of what we go through at times. I truly hope you will offer us more from your life experiences and study of the Bible than just your interpretation of the unequally-yoked passage.
 
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I posted as I have because my wife and I over the years have known many Christians married to non Christians. We have also known, and attended the weddings of a Christian who has chosen to marry a non Christian. We are well aware of the many issues such people face, and the anguish some have experienced. Some of them have struggled with the guilt that they have married a non Christian. Some have been rejected by the church for doing so. And I have seen some mixed marriages work better than some Christian marriages.

I make my contributions regarding the unequally yoked verse for two reasons. Firstly, as someone who works hard at understanding Scripture I prefer any exegesis to be accurate. I see the 'unequally yoked' verse as being taken out of a context that contained no reference to marriage. That same verse has been applied to unionism, business partnerships, and membership of societies in my time. Few teach that now because the context just does not support those applications

Secondly, where there are Christians struggling with a mixed marriage that verse has often led to a pervading sense of guilt, of having missed "God's best" for them. That is a very heavy burden indeed.

I am not encouraging the practice. I just don't want people suffering an unnecessary burden of false guilt or condemnation.

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Burdens. Jesus compared the false burdens of the religious rulers with His one, which was very different. So I take my thoughts from Jesus ' own words. Unnecessary guilt is real burden as far as I can see. In fact Satan is labeled as the accuser of the brethren

I am not saying that it's OK for a Christian to marry a non Christian. But I am stating quite clearly that I know of mixed marriages that have really worked, and Christian marriages that haven't, even amongst leading pastors. Thus, I won't automatically judge a Christian in a mixed marriage, even though my preference is for Christian marriages.

As for not understanding. I have spent literally hours and hours one on one with distressed people in difficult marriages, most of whom were devoted Christians, and I also have had many cases of dealing with people in mixed marriages or contemplating one. I know from experience that I have had depth of discussions and involvement beyond that of many pastors on this and other pastoral issues. My wife and i are well known for our compassion, wisdom and Christian commitment.

My comments have arisen directly out of pastoral situations and concerns, and by bible study has been motivated by those concerns.

I am not going to debate the unequally yoked verse on this post, but I am more than happy to elsewhere if someone will open a thread and let me know where to find it.

Whatever else I could say I want to affirm as strongly as I can that a person married to a non Christian is not thereby out of God's will, destined to a second best and is merely reaping what was sown. Each person can discover a wonderful reality of Jesus with them in their situation. That is my commitment to anyone Who seeks my advice.

Bless you all
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Hi Johnnz
Everyone has things they have to deal with in life and it is good to be able to share with others who are in the same situation and are in a unique position to give support and understanding. I think most people posting in CF groups would agree it is good to know that whatever your situation you are not alone.
This particular forum is for people with unsaved spouses who are struggling with the many issues we have to deal with on a day to day basis. We are all aware no one's life or marraige is perfect and there are people worse off then us. This is our place though, where we can let off steam and be cared for.
I have found the people who post here to be very non judgemental. If people ask our advice we will tell them the truth, that it will not be easy. If they go ahead anyway we will still love and support them.
I have to be honest and tell you if my DH was a Christian we would be divorced by now. I only stay in the marraige because I feel it is my duty to God, because I do not know of his plans concerning DH's salvation. A marraige can be together but not happy.
If you support peopl,e great. Please support us instead of making our haven unsafe.
 
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