Alright . . . well I have a lot of people to answer . . .
Zeena: If "god" loves me so much why does it claim I go to hell when I die. What peace can this Jesus offer me?
The ability to Forgive. It's a powerful thing, really. I could not describe it, and the freedom it offers.
Do you remember the first time you drove your own car, what freedom it offered you, you could go anywhere you wanted. Just jump in the car and go. But to describe that freedom to someone that has never driven, the words fail you.
The same holds true for the ability to Forgive. It's pure freedom.
I not only seek reason but answers . . . I know this is such a common thing by non-believers but I cannot settle for the answers handed to me by any religion it seems.
That can be the perception of it, and I can respect that.
Either way I have so many questions, and it's not proof I seek. It's explanation.
Well, what are your questions?
You tell me to open my heart to your God and your Jesus but I'm not even sure there is a God or Jesus. You make it sound easy too just throw doubt out the window and accept this religion and the answers it provides. But I've never done anything like that in my life. I've never dove in with faith, I've never gone with it because it tells me ONLY what it tells me. I have to much curiosity for that. And no matter what I question. You place a green apple in my face and say it is green, I will question that, but because I too see the apple as green I will continue to believe it's green because I have nothing to disprove that fact. Of course I will question it no matter what because it's in my nature.
I have always found this funny, when I was younger, someone once told me, "Nothing ends our questions, we just end up asking different questions" Domonick C.
They died because they believed in something. And they died for their beliefs. Dieing for what you believe is an admirable way to die. You die with honor, confidence, and most of all with courage. But wait, don't those terrible Muslims die for that exact cause? Why is the fact that a young girl can die for Jesus and be viewed as a noble human-being but a terrorist despite the violence and murder in death is seen as evil for in such a sense the same cause.
The two examples have nothing in common.
The Muslim that loads himself with explosives, is not dying for his cause, he is killing for his cause (He is just another casualty in the Holy War of his religion). The little child, does not go forth and kill in the name of Jesus.
What is good and evil? How do we know it exists? Why are we judged through a life in which we were granted free will?
The ability to freely make a choice (free will) does not mean immunity from the consequences of said choice.
Why should I make the right choices if I am going to end up in the exact same position as a murderer? DEAD!!!!
Well there is some validity there, but, when it comes to the matters of life, it's not the end of trip that matters, it's the journey and what you do along the trip. The end of the Trip, is just a destination, the traveling, that is the adventure. I would have to say, too many people put too much importance on where they are going, and not enough appreciation of what they can do long the way.
Yes, we all Die, But how many of us, Truly Live.
Why have a heaven and hell?
Great Question. We are Gods Creation, as such, when we finish our time here on this world, we go to be with God.
God when we are before him, returns our love or our rejection.
We live and die, why make these choices to go here if we are all bound to die?
Why eat? Why Sleep, when the end is death? Why derive pleasure from Music, Sex, or what we own, when the end is death?
Because the truth is, Our time here, is the important part, not where we came from, or where we are going, but what we are doing in the meantime.
I believe I answered this above, so I am not going to say the same thing over and over again.
Why not go to the same place? Why justice in death?
Answered above.
A murderer dies that doesn't bring the murdered back to life.
But, it does stop that person from killing another. We may not be able to save the victim, but we try to prevent anyone else from falling prey.
Speaking of murder and death, why is it seen as such a terrible thing. It's inevitable!
To Murder, is to seal a life from this world, to rob others of the joy and pleasure of knowing that person. To deny them, their journey.
Whether I am shot in the head or die of old age it should make no difference. Yeah, yeah. "What avowal does one have to end another?"
What about being shot in the head at a young age?
Sure one has no avowal but what avowal do I have to live? To succeed and make the most of a life which will end no matter what and what I did and who I was becomes no more than a memory, with the exception of helping or destroying millions of lives, but those lives inevitably end as well. Maybe I need to come to terms with life and live the way I feel suits ME.
Our lives are not based on how much money we have, how much what ever we have done, etc.
You know, an atheist , DanHalen, in tiese forums, gave me the best example of life from a non-religious perspective of life and what it means.
Not what I am told suits me. Maybe I just need to find what makes me happy.
That is a Good place to start.
Whether I cure cancer or slit throats isn't the ultimate goal in the human agenda to be during and with the time we are given?
Well, if you slit throats, then there are going to be a whole groups of other humans out to severely limit your freedom to enjoy the life you have, and depending on where they get you, how much time you have left to not enjoy the life you have.
What am I thinking? I'm still not content. Because the problem lies in that very statement. I was wrote off, I was shouted the praises of Jesus, and I was judged.
Huh?
I know I missed something here....
I was judged while being wrote off, because my original post had such controversy it was judged as edgy and slightly vulgar, you must look deep into the words too see that.
I liked it, it was straightforward, and very open. A great introduction.
I guess in a way I did judge it, but that is human to judge everything, for it's worth and merits. To condemn is something else.
I was shouted the praises of Jesus F'n Christ! SHOUTED! I was told Jesus loved me, yet these people do not realize I am not a believer!
Ok once again I am confused now.
Who thought you were a believer in Christ by your OP?
Like I've stated, if this God and his Son love me . . . if this Hell really does exist would I be included it it's accommodation's?
The answer to that, would have be, "I am not sure".
You see, God will wait for you, and allow you to reject him, all the time of your life, but if you reject him unto death, then God only returns your rejection. However, if God does forgive you, or make an accommodation for you, then that is between you and God. Personally not something I would place hope into, that God will make a special allowance for anyone, but God will do as God will do.
I was thrown words of Jesus Love . . . not offered.
Thrown?
And everybody judged me. We all judge, it's in our nature. No matter what we are all judging and being judged.
Humans by nature judge all things, in the matter you are discussion, as in it is not "our place to judge" is, we have no authority to say if you will go to Heaven or Hell.
You view everyone as beautiful, kind (whether they are misguided is another story), and wonderful human-beings. I view everyone as a disease. Useless, disgusting, greedy, selfish, weak, ungrateful and absolute filth. Nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than this earth and the human beings who leach off of it.
That might be a byproduct of Belief system, or faith as it stands.
We are not of this world . . . we are in it. This organism will breed and survive no matter what. Yes this is a misanthropist view. But it's the greatest tool I have ever come to understand. I live my live with distrust and hate, always on guard never caught with my hands down. And each time I am attacked my lack of distrust and indifference grows making me stronger. So we are always judged and always judging. Whether the judgment is negative or positive it's always happening. You the optimist judges, I the misanthropist judges. I probably leave you and many other readers confused. If I am happy with the way I live my life why do I not just continue to live it? Because I still seek answers. I seek reason. That's the best I can explain it . . .
Well, I for one, would say, you remind me of myself about 10 years ago.
But then again, I have no idea how old you are, but it's not he age that is the issue here, it is the mentality.
The power to Forgive, is amazing. The grace of Love and Hope, are just beyond words sometimes.
Being able to let go of pain, let go of distrust, to be able to be free, and alive to enjoy the time we have. It's freedom, it's power. It's really something I can not explain well at all.
And I am sorry to inform you but you are no friend of mine and neither am I. You're human. A friendship cannot be built over the internet.
I am inclined to disagree with you, because personal expirence in my life as proven otherwise.
The few people I trust had to prove themselves in ways no others could not. And too this day I never turn my back on anyone. Even to the men who'd die by my side.
That is because you have not found a way to be free, to be liberated from your own chains and restrictions that you have placed upon yourself.
In the name of F'n Oden! I've heard this before. Ugh, it answers questions a Christian would have not someone who doesn't know whether to believe in a possibly false god!
Well, what would you like for us to say to you?
What is it you desire?
God Bless
Key
