I want reasoning.

[DBSE]

I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak. But I'm also confused as anything. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus. But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky. But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.
​

 

[blvrnchrist]

Becoming a Christian is not necessarily about throwing away your vices. Don't start there. Don't consider what you will loose, that's not the basis of christianity. And, you may not loose anything...it may be what you gain that eventually wins out. The first thing I will say is there are no RULES...you are not going to walk into church and be checked at the door...in fact, if you find real christians to talk to...they are going to love and accept you just as you are...because God does. You don't have to clean up to come to God...come to Him...believe in Him, and let Him work in your life. My first question for you is do you believe there is a God?

 

[jasper123]

I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak. But I'm also confused as s***. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus. But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky. But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.
​

You seem to like reason, thats a virtue thats hard to
find around here because its all emotion tangled with
peoples own version how God really is if they like it or
not. Stay away from crazy music and philosopies of
disturbed people. If you like reason, read Summa
Theologica and you will get all the reason you can
handle
Ron

 

[DBSE]

Blvrnchrist: I'm not sure, there's possibility. I'm not sure if "it" is the god many worship.

Jasper: Yes I like reason and I thank you for the compliment. But what do you mean "crazy music and philosophies of the disturbed"? If you're are shunning my music and the religions I have looked into this is where I brush shoulders with Christianity.

 

[salida]

DBSE--

Well, I can't talk you into heaven and/or an spiritual experience but christianity is not only a spiritual decision but it is also an intellectual one secondly. This isn't the book section, but I highly recommend the book Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (converted from an athiest to christianity) and A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel (from an athiest to a christian). Also, A Ready Defense by Josh McDowell.

The Bible has more evidence and objective facts to support it than any book that exist. The most outstanding is that hundreds of detailed prophesies has come true in it and there is more to be fullfilled.

Consider this information in a nutshell about Bible:

Biblical Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel

 

[salida]

But DBSE--

Ask the Holy Spirit back into your heart. Its that simple; and don't look back into the world.

 

[Key]

I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak.​

Hello and welcome to the Forums. I would have to say this is a very good introduction into getting to know you. I hope to take the time to look around the forums and since you like music, you might find that we have a whole section devoted to music lovers, yes, it's open to all members, so I am sure you will find other G.W.A.R. fans there for you to talk with.

But welcome to the Forums, Glad to have you.

But I'm also confused as s***. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus.

Ok, now this is an opening I can respect.

But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky.

I can only imagine.

Do you wear black, with silver (Steel) jewelry?

But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.

Ok, I wonder, what would you say to me, if I said "No"

I look forward to your response.

God Bless

Key

 

[DBSE]

Hello and welcome to the Forums. I would have to say this is a very good introduction into getting to know you. I hope to take the time to look around the forums and since you like music, you might find that we have a whole section devoted to music lovers, yes, it's open to all members, so I am sure you will find other G.W.A.R. fans there for you to talk with.

But welcome to the Forums, Glad to have you.



Ok, now this is an opening I can respect.



I can only imagine.

Do you wear black, with silver (Steel) jewelry?



Ok, I wonder, what would you say to me, if I said "No"

I look forward to your response.

God Bless

Key

No I'm not too into the black thing and s**** on my wrists. I usually wear jeans and a band t-shirt.

If you said no I'd probably seek answers elsewhere.

 

[DBSE]

But DBSE--

Ask the Holy Spirit back into your heart. Its that simple; and don't look back into the world.

If you're asking me to stray from the world I hate but the lifestyle I love then you obviously have no idea how difficult that is . . . it's not simple by any means. I won't turn away this world because of possible salvation unless I can get some actual reasoning why to do so.

 

[Key]

No I'm not too into the black thing and s**** on my wrists. I usually wear jeans and a band t-shirt.

If you said no I'd probably seek answers elsewhere.

Fair enough answer.

So what exactly is it your seeking?

You want me to get you to give up the life style you love, by a Logic Argument?

God Bless

Key

 

[Zeena]

I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak. But I'm also confused as s***. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus. But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky. But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.​

God LOVES you no matter where you are, no matter what you've done, and no matter where you are going!

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Come to Jesus!
He will give you rest for your soul!

 

[PenelopePitstop2]

You may love the lifestyle but you sound like you don't have hope, peace, love and a purpose, something to live for that is worth dying for.

Jesus is the only answer, can I convince you with a rational argument, probably not. But if you are open and honest with God and ask Him to show you what your missing, you wil find truth and the answers you seek. I warn you God is not for the casual seeker. If you truly seek Him you will find Him.

You also seem to run yourelf down a lot, you don't mention one good thing about yourself and yet God sees the real you and sees your potential and worth. I cannot convince you of the depths of His love for you but you were worth dying for in His eyes and I guess that says it all.

 

[hlaltimus]

I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak. But I'm also confused as s***. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus. But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky. But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.​

Hi DBSE, Here is only one reason to believe in Christ, and without doubt not the kind of reason that you expected to receive:
In my Church in Phoenix, Az. there was a very old man who was also the descendant of a young Scottish Presbyterian girl who had her whole life in front of her and numerous friends as well. She was ordered, by some warped theocratic fiends, to renounce her faith in Jesus Christ or be tied to a post out on the sea at low tide. The officials were hoping that she would comply, in front of all of her friends, and so influence them into rejecting Christ as well....They were wrong, as she went to her death by drowning rather than to renounce the One she had come to depend upon so very much. Why DBSE? WHY? Why did so many of these old line Presbyterians march up to the scaffold to be hanged for their faith? When you discover this "reason" DBSE, you will have stumbled upon a limitless gold mine that will eventually make you twirl with delight.

 

[blvrnchrist]

So DBSE...what are you thinking after all of these posts? You have gotten it from all angles...one wrote you off, one shouted Jeasus praises at you, but did you notice that the majority of the people that took the time to respond did not judge you or condemn you, but accepted you as you described yourself??? Therein lies part of the answer....unconditional love. You write very angry, so I am guessing you don't get much unconditional love, maybe never have. I didn't for a long time. But it is loving someone because they are there in front of you...no matter what. Can you really fathom that? I couldn't for a long time. But I have learned how to give unconditional love because someone loved me unconditionally.

I am interested in talking with you more if you would like. Feel free to PM me.

Hope to talk to you soon...your new friend...Blvrnchrist

 

[Zeena]

Jesus LOVES you!

 

[DBSE]

Alright . . . well I have a lot of people to answer . . .

Zeena: If "god" loves me so much why does it claim I go to hell when I die. What peace can this Jesus offer me? I not only seek reason but answers . . . I know this is such a common thing by non-believers but I cannot settle for the answers handed to me by any religion it seems. All these religions are towed by questions. The only one that is straight forward would seem to Be Nihilism that's not even a religion though. Either way I have so many questions, and it's not proof I seek. It's explanation.

PenelopePitstop2: You tell me to open my heart to your God and your Jesus but I'm not even sure there is a God or Jesus. You make it sound easy too just throw doubt out the window and accept this religion and the answers it provides. But I've never done anything like that in my life. I've never dove in with faith, I've never gone with it because it tells me ONLY what it tells me. I have to much curiosity for that. And no matter what I question. You place a green apple in my face and say it is green, I will question that, but because I too see the apple as green I will continue to believe it's green because I have nothing to disprove that fact. Of course I will question it no matter what because it's in my nature.

Hlaltimus: They died because they believed in something. And they died for their beliefs. Dieing for what you believe is an admirable way to die. You die with honor, confidence, and most of all with courage. But wait, don't those terrible Muslims die for that exact cause? Why is the fact that a young girl can die for Jesus and be viewed as a noble human-being but a terrorist despite the violence and murder in death is seen as evil for in such a sense the same cause. What is good and evil? How do we know it exists? Why are we judged through a life in which we were granted free will? Why should I make the right choices if I am going to end up in the exact same position as a murderer? DEAD!!!! Why have a heaven and hell? We live and die, why make these choices to go here if we are all bound to die? Why not go to the same place? Why justice in death? A murderer dies that doesn't bring the murdered back to life. Speaking of murder and death, why is it seen as such a terrible thing. It's inevitable! Whether I am shot in the head or die of old age it should make no difference. Yeah, yeah. "What avowal does one have to end another?" Sure one has no avowal but what avowal do I have to live? To succeed and make the most of a life which will end no matter what and what I did and who I was becomes no more than a memory, with the exception of helping or destroying millions of lives, but those lives inevitably end as well. Maybe I need to come to terms with life and live the way I feel suits ME. Not what I am told suits me. Maybe I just need to find what makes me happy. Whether I cure cancer or slit throats isn't the ultimate goal in the human agenda to be during and with the time we are given?

Blvrnchrist: What am I thinking? I'm still not content. Because the problem lies in that very statement. I was wrote off, I was shouted the praises of Jesus, and I was judged. I was judged while being wrote off, because my original post had such controversy it was judged as edgy and slightly vulgar, you must look deep into the words too see that. I was shouted the praises of Jesus F'n Christ! SHOUTED! I was told Jesus loved me, yet these people do not realize I am not a believer! Like I've stated, if this God and his Son love me . . . if this Hell really does exist would I be included it it's accommodation's? I was thrown words of Jesus Love . . . not offered. And everybody judged me. We all judge, it's in our nature. No matter what we are all judging and being judged. You view everyone as beautiful, kind (whether they are misguided is another story), and wonderful human-beings. I view everyone as a disease. Useless, disgusting, greedy, selfish, weak, ungrateful and absolute filth. Nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than this earth and the human beings who leach off of it. We are not of this world . . . we are in it. This organism will breed and survive no matter what. Yes this is a misanthropist view. But it's the greatest tool I have ever come to understand. I live my live with distrust and hate, always on guard never caught with my hands down. And each time I am attacked my lack of distrust and indifference grows making me stronger. So we are always judged and always judging. Whether the judgment is negative or positive it's always happening. You the optimist judges, I the misanthropist judges. I probably leave you and many other readers confused. If I am happy with the way I live my life why do I not just continue to live it? Because I still seek answers. I seek reason. That's the best I can explain it . . .

And I am sorry to inform you but you are no friend of mine and neither am I. You're human. A friendship cannot be built over the internet. The thought is absolutely ridiculous. The few people I trust had to prove themselves in ways no others could not. And too this day I never turn my back on anyone. Even to the men who'd die by my side.

 

[TexasGirl06]

Hey DBSE ~
I loved your opening post.
Welcome to Christian Forums. It's good to have you here.

So...you've tried the rest.
Now, try the Best !

To answer your question about: If God loves me then why would He send me to Hell?

Great question.

Here's the answer:
God does love you very much.
The plan was for all of man to live in perfect fellowship with Him...always.
Sin got in the way.
This all started in the Garden when Adam and Eve sinned.

And, today....you are a sinner.
I am a sinner.
All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.

God is God. He is just.
God says that sin must be punished.
The wages for sin is death.
Because of your sin, you must die.
die = going to hell when you leave earth.

But....
remember, I told you that God does love you.

God does not want to see DBSE go to Hell when DBSE dies. God will provide a way for DBSE to go to Heaven with God. Yes, God will show how much He loves DBSE.

God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. Something must die.

God will send Jesus.
His Son.
Jesus is perfect.
No sin. Ever.
Jesus will be the perfect and ultimate sacrificial Lamb.

Jesus is innocent, and He will die on the cross for the sins of DBSE.
Look...TexasGirl06' sins are there at the cross, too.

It's all about the punishment.
Our sin must be punished.
Jesus took that punishment for your sin, when He was killed on the cross.

And, what Jesus did that day....
is a Gift.
At this point, DBSE, the Gift is unopened by you.

We must accept the Gift.
We must acknowledge that we have sinned against a Holy God.
We must repent of our sin.
We must turn from our sin.
We must ackhowledge that Jesus is the Son of God.
We must acknowledge that it was our sin that put Jesus on that cross that day.

This, my friend....is how one is forgiven.
This is how one enters the Kingdom of the Living God.
This awesome plan shows us how much God does indeed love us.

There is one who loves you so much, DBSE.
He's waiting to show you how much He loves you.

Welcome again.

 

[DBSE]

In the name of F'n Oden! I've heard this before. Ugh, it answers questions a Christian would have not someone who doesn't know whether to believe in a possibly false god!

 

[TexasGirl06]

and...the benefits of being in the Kingdom of God do not start when we die and go to Heaven.

No..... they start right away.

Your life will change.
It will probably be a slow change.
Maybe not.

But, I can promise you that your heart will change.
The burdens that you carry will begin to be lifted.

I hear your pain,
Thank you for sharing it with us.
You've come to a good place... here @ Christian Forums.

Thank you for allowing us to share Jesus with you.

He's real.
Come and check it out.

 

[DBSE]

In the name of suffering would you stop your prattling! I need less Christian reasoning . . .