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I believe the convictions you are having are of the Holy Spirit.

The SDA have a lot of truth (more than others) but with that truth comes a lot of baggage that must be sorted through and unpacked.

God tells us not to dispise prophecy but to test what is said and hold on to that which is good. This means there will be some things that are kept and some things that will be discarded. The problem comes when the words of the one doing the prophecying are exalted and esteemed to that of Scripture itself, even thought they contradict the Scriptures. When a contradiction of Scripture is spoken by a prophet, no matter how slight, one must always revert to the Scriptures and not to the prophet. This is not something easily done in the SDA.

One last thing. You are not a 7th day Christian, you are a Christian...period. A true disciple of Christ will been seen by the love one has for God and others. In this love we will see them keeping the seventh day holy, not commiting adultery, not stealing and so on but we will also see a lot more than just keeping the Ten Commandments because the TC are just the ground floor of what godly love really is.


You have spoken truth.
 
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It could be that God is raising up a group of people that will rely on the Bible, and the Bible alone, to understand the meaning of future prophetic events that will soon take place.

It seems to me there are alot of people in the SDA Church who question the writings of Ellen White. Perhaps there is something to this.

If it gets more people reading and studying the Bible then it is a good thing. And perhaps God will reveal an endtime message for this generation as He has done in the past. It's something to think about; and pray about.

YSIC,
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Are you talking about the SDA forum here or the SDA churches in real life?

The sad truth is that most of the SDA members don't study what they believe. They take words from others as gospel. Most (the vast majority) can't defend our position on the prophetic interpretations and the sanctuary, very much the same as the mainstream Christians on their beliefs of rapture and the immortal soul.

On the other hands, those who have studied the SDA beliefs diligently don't mind the scrutiny from critics. Take myself for example, my faith in our message is strengthened because I have been exposed to the scrutiny and have been forced to examine from many angles. I have to thank all of the critics/detractors over the years. They surely did their job. So we are not afraid of questions. We just don't like repeating and answering the same questions to different people all the time.

I was rather talking about real life experiences of the past.
 
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I agree with help_the_Lord. I am a member of the SDA church and I believe the church gives more credence to her than Jesus.
A question was posed by a member here asking why come here if people do not believe as he does. This question does not even warrant a response. Are you telling me that for a person to disagree with anything EG White states is blasphemy.

I saw an article. "ADVENTIST HEADQUARTERS TO SEND COPIES OF GREAT CONTROVERSY TO AREA. Google the words in red and you will see As you look at the picture, men are standing with their heads bowed while other are kneeling IN FRONT of the pile of books which reminds me of the pagans kneeling before their god. People made comments on the article and I have to agree with one, the person asked the question. Is the church pointing people to God's Son or EG White. It is a valid question.

I have nothing against the godly lady but she has become a false god in the eyes of the SDA membership. I attended church last Sabbath and the elder who preached mentioned her name more than Jesus.

The devil does not care who we worship once it is not the true God.
GOD HATES IDOLARY.

DEFINITION
(a) IDOL WORSHIP......The worship of false gods.
(b) EXTREME ADORATION ......Excessive adoration for something or SOMEBODY.

SYNONYMNS (words that are similar)

worship, hero worship, adoration, admiration, veneration, idolization,adulation, reverence, fanaticism, devotion, obsession

The church must realise that God almost destroyed the nation of Israel when Aaron made a golden calf. Throughout the bible God is very insensed at idolatry.

I wonder if the money which is being received from EG White books is the SOLE reason for this. Remember that the High Priests' motive was money. The church must desist from allowing people to glorify her instead of Jesus.
Many will be angry but the truth is the truth. A question is asked concerning a certain topic, instead of asking what Christ said concerning it, people say, what does EG white says and starts to quote her. I will not even go down the road concerning the contradictions. Suffice it to say to believe that Jesus would have come in 1844 is false regardless of what ever is said.

Matthew 24: 36 BUT OF THAT DAY OR THE HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN, NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN. NOONE KNOW...WHETHER IT BE IN 1844 OR NOW. A failed prophecy CANNOT be used as a doctrine.

I wonder what Christ thinks when he hears the name of EG White mentioned more than his.

This is going to be a contentions issue here on the board, but people should be free to express their views. One must remember that people are not ridiculing Jesus.
 
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What individuals do within a church they will be judged by... same goes for the leadership. This does not annul that the SDA church was commisioned to take the three angels message to the world. Sister White recognized the false teachings and apostasy within the church even in her day and warned that not 1 in a hundred would make it... those odds have increased significantly since.

These posts do nothing but prove what Jesus said about the enemy sowing tares among the wheat and that they must grow up together til the harvest. Irregardless, the SDA church is still, and will remain, Gods denominated church til the end. Many will come out of other denominations to know and understand the truth as given to the church 100-150 years ago.
 
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What individuals do within a church they will be judged by... same goes for the leadership. This does not annul that the SDA church was commisioned to take the three angels message to the world. Sister White recognized the false teachings and apostasy within the church even in her day and warned that not 1 in a hundred would make it... those odds have increased significantly since.

These posts do nothing but prove what Jesus said about the enemy sowing tares among the wheat and that they must grow up together til the harvest. Irregardless, the SDA church is still, and will remain, Gods denominated church til the end. Many will come out of other denominations to know and understand the truth as given to the church 100-150 years ago.

it almost sounds like youre the new pope ;)
 
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John 14:6 I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Truth is not a set of traditional beliefs. Christian doctrine is TRUTH when it is proven by the bible and nothing else.

These are the words of Jesus. The church cannot be substituted for Jesus. He is the head of the church.

When the disciples and apostles lived in the first century, the church was not named SDA. I think are many under the false impression that the church is a denomination.
The word church is a Greek word eklesia which means a group of called out individuals. The bible states that God knows who belong to him. When the Reformation took place people were fed up with the way the people were denied the bible, the way the Pope controlled the masses. There is an old saying here which states, "Anyone who thinks they know everything is a fool". Can you imagine if people did not question the Roman church what would be happening today.

The SDA church must remove its idol, and we all know what the idol is, today the churches hospitals are (allegedly) performing abortions, the universities are teaching evolution. (How can you claim to believe in God who is creator and yet deny him as creator. The SDA church has been in existence for a long time, but throughout history every organisation that existed saw the need for check and balances, and idolatry is a tool that the enemy will use. The thing about deception is that a DECEIVED PERSON DOES NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE DECEIVED.

It seems to me that many members are more upset when questioned are posed about the writings of EG White than statements people make against Christ. People must understand that Christians will be persecuted for the name of Jesus. In the book of Acts the Jews (who kept the Sabbath) and the early church which kept the Sabbath too were persecuted, why because of the name of Jesus. The Jews told the Apostles dont preach in Christ's name which caused the Apostle Paul to declare, WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN.
 
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John 14:6 I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Truth is not a set of traditional beliefs. Christian doctrine is TRUTH when it is proven by the bible and nothing else.

These are the words of Jesus. The church cannot be substituted for Jesus. He is the head of the church.

When the disciples and apostles lived in the first century, the church was not named SDA. I think are many under the false impression that the church is a denomination.
The word church is a Greek word eklesia which means a group of called out individuals. The bible states that God knows who belong to him. When the Reformation took place people were fed up with the way the people were denied the bible, the way the Pope controlled the masses. There is an old saying here which states, "Anyone who thinks they know everything is a fool". Can you imagine if people did not question the Roman church what would be happening today.

The SDA church must remove its idol, and we all know what the idol is, today the churches hospitals are (allegedly) performing abortions, the universities are teaching evolution. (How can you claim to believe in God who is creator and yet deny him as creator. The SDA church has been in existence for a long time, but throughout history every organisation that existed saw the need for check and balances, and idolatry is a tool that the enemy will use. The thing about deception is that a DECEIVED PERSON DOES NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE DECEIVED.

It seems to me that many members are more upset when questioned are posed about the writings of EG White than statements people make against Christ. People must understand that Christians will be persecuted for the name of Jesus. In the book of Acts the Jews (who kept the Sabbath) and the early church which kept the Sabbath too were persecuted, why because of the name of Jesus. The Jews told the Apostles dont preach in Christ's name which caused the Apostle Paul to declare, WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN.

You have spoken wisely!

Never heard about the abortions and evolutions... hope those baby murderers will get what they deserve. Evolution as such doesnt hurt me, dont even ignore it ;) but child murderers aaaghhhh...

Yep, the SDA has some serious problems... thank God I am not having that particular problems anymore...
 
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I agree with help_the_Lord. I am a member of the SDA church and I believe the church gives more credence to her than Jesus.
A question was posed by a member here asking why come here if people do not believe as he does. This question does not even warrant a response. Are you telling me that for a person to disagree with anything EG White states is blasphemy.

I saw an article. "ADVENTIST HEADQUARTERS TO SEND COPIES OF GREAT CONTROVERSY TO AREA. Google the words in red and you will see As you look at the picture, men are standing with their heads bowed while other are kneeling IN FRONT of the pile of books which reminds me of the pagans kneeling before their god. People made comments on the article and I have to agree with one, the person asked the question. Is the church pointing people to God's Son or EG White. It is a valid question.

I have nothing against the godly lady but she has become a false god in the eyes of the SDA membership. I attended church last Sabbath and the elder who preached mentioned her name more than Jesus.

The devil does not care who we worship once it is not the true God.
GOD HATES IDOLARY.

DEFINITION
(a) IDOL WORSHIP......The worship of false gods.
(b) EXTREME ADORATION ......Excessive adoration for something or SOMEBODY.

SYNONYMNS (words that are similar)

The church must realise that God almost destroyed the nation of Israel when Aaron made a golden calf. Throughout the bible God is very insensed at idolatry.

IMO, I don't see anything wrong in the picture.

The caption says (below the picure):

Leaders at the Adventist Church headquarters dedicate in prayer an offering that will fund the distribution of the book The Great Controversy to each home in the surrounding postal code. Building employees contributed more than $38,000 to the project. [photo: Megan Brauner]

They just dedicate a prayer in order that the distribution of the books will be successful :confused:
 
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IMO, I don't see anything wrong in the picture.

The caption says (below the picure):



They just dedicate a prayer in order that the distribution of the books will be successful :confused:

I must agree with keyboard here, I wouldnt say they were worshipping the book.
 
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