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I thought I've heard it all, but...no kissing?

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Obviously it CAN lead to something else. I think the problem is people assuming kissing will= sex when it doesn't. If someone doesn't have any kind of self control then sure do all you can to avoid temptation. But a kiss doesn't mean you will end up going all the way.

Perhaps agree to only kiss when you two are about to leave eachothers place for the night. Then if you kiss there would be no opportunity for it leading to sin because you two will be leaving eachothers company anyways.
I think it has to do with one's level of innocence. When I was first dating, kissing was the thing to do. It didn't lead to anything. But once you lose your innocence, are you going to kiss without intending to go farther?
 
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But once you lose your innocence, are you going to kiss without intending to go farther?

You certainly can but you have to make it a conscious choice and as long as both agree they will not do it until marriage if one is weak hopefully the other will be strong and stop it. That should lead to the best outcome. At the end of the day you want to enjoy your partner and a kiss could enhance your relationship but of course use caution and if you two deem each other not having enough self control then sure don't even bother. But I think if two people are virgins then a kiss probably won't lead to it compared to two people who have a lot of experience and are used to going to the next step.
 
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That’s all subjective. For some people not having sex before marriage is hyper purity.

In some cultures you don’t even hold hands until you intend to be bf/
gf. It’snot something that I would personally be disturbed by.

You and I are going to have agree to disagree on this. People can give all the labels they want to their relationships, but until they start acting affectionately towards each other in demonstration of something more, all they really have is a good friendship.
 
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You and I are going to have agree to disagree on this. People can give all the labels they want to their relationships, but until they start acting affectionately towards each other in demonstration of something more, all they really have is a good friendship.

That's so narrow-minded. Not everyone wants to jump into physical affection. And no one should be criticized for that.
 
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that's where it starts

There are certain things that are exclusive to a romantic relationship that make it a romantic relationship, that without it is nothing more than a platonic relationship.
 
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There are certain things that are exclusive to a romantic relationship that make it a romantic relationship, that without it is nothing more than a platonic relationship.

that's fine,

a woman not wanting to kiss you doesn't mean she isn't romantically interested in you.
 
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You and I are going to have agree to disagree on this. People can give all the labels they want to their relationships, but until they start acting affectionately towards each other in demonstration of something more, all they really have is a good friendship.

I was just about to say. lol.

That's right, the only thing that differentiates a buddy/friend and a girlfriend/boyfriend is the physical affection. Doesn't have to be sexual, but hey, a smooch good night is the least I could ask for.

I am curious how long were these people dating/engaged before they got married. Did they go kissless for 1 or 2 years?
 
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even if the woman makes it clear to you that there is romantic interest but states that she wants to hold off that part until marriage?

Theres a clear logical discrepancy between her saying that yet she wont even give you a tiny peck or hold your hand.
 
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Yes. Because actions speak louder than words.

she spends time with you, talks with you on the phone, has been on dinner dates with you, and you talk about your future together, but because she won't kiss you she has no romantic interest in you?
 
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Theres a clear logical discrepancy between her saying that yet she wont even give you a tiny peck or hold your hand.
she's even willing to hold your hand....even give you hugs when you part ways.
 
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