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I think I have some form of scrupulously, and I’m nervous to talk about it.

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Everything kinda started last year. To make a long story short, I had a fictional story I enjoyed writing, but I had a bit of an anxious episode (I feel weird even calling it that, because it makes me feel like a fraud) where I thought that God told me to stop writing it and begin a new story. I obeyed that “command”, but everything kinda went downhill once I became unhappy with the new story and wanted to go back to the old one.

But the thought that my relationship with God was in danger if I didn’t write the new story kept coming to me, and I believed that I had no freedom to write what I wanted, because if I did, then I wasn’t fully surrendering to God. The thoughts branched out into other areas of my life, too. The demands from “God” just became more and more micro-managing, until I was convinced that celebrating Christmas, saying “I swear”, and consuming non-religious books/movies were heinous sins (only for me, though, not for anyone else). I also developed a habit of saying a very repetitive prayer every time I woke up at night/in the morning to make sure I pleased God. One time, I woke up in the middle of the night with the worst leg cramp I’d ever felt and thought that it meant God wanted to hurt me.

I also kinda started to develop some health-related anxiety, I think. I started to have chest pain (presumably from my constant anxiety) and thought that it meant I was going to die in my sleep at some point. I started doing the same workout video every night because I thought that doing so would keep me from dying in my sleep. I remember a part in the video where the instructor said, “I know it burns right now”, and every time she said it, I had the exact same thought, which was “Better to burn right now than to burn in hell for eternity.”

I thought the worst of it was over in January of this year, because I found a YouTube channel talking about these things, related to it, and thought that I was in the clear. But then some major things happened in my personal life, and now I feel like I’m no better off than before. I started trying to confront fear by doing things that scared me (writing stories I enjoy, not putting pressure on myself to be constantly productive, allowing myself to slow down and enjoy life), but now everything that I thought I’d gotten over is coming back in full force. I’m finding it difficult to write, despite constant reassurance that writing stories I enjoy isn’t a sin. Every tiny ache and sensation in my body is a sign that I have some terrible disease that will kill me if I leave it alone. Every time I start to gain happiness from something that isn’t church or God, I have to stop and pray to God because I’m idolizing the thing making me happy. And, honestly, that just takes away the pleasure of being with God, because in my head he just becomes a killjoy rather than the creator of joy itself. (I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m bashing God— I’m not trying to, I’m just trying to be honest.)

At the same time, though, I wonder if I’m just faking all of this. I mean, I don’t think I am, but I also feel like a fraud because I don’t really have compulsions. I definitely have obsessions, and I’ve heard that repeatedly praying the same prayer is a compulsion, but I still have this deep-rooted feeling of “that’s not a real compulsion. A real compulsion would be something physical that other people can see.” I also really don’t want to self-diagnose, because I haven’t seen any mental health professionals, and I don’t want to be one of those people who just diagnoses themselves. I also don’t know what could have caused this, as I’ve grown up in a very supportive/loving Christian family, and I’ve never really had a bad church experience. Also, I guess I’m afraid to say that I have scrupulously, just because my experience isn’t as bad/extreme as some of the others I’ve seen.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I just feel like I need some clarity on this, and I’m afraid to talk to people in person about it for fear of seeming annoying/attention seeking.
 

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Everything kinda started last year. To make a long story short, I had a fictional story I enjoyed writing, but I had a bit of an anxious episode (I feel weird even calling it that, because it makes me feel like a fraud) where I thought that God told me to stop writing it and begin a new story. I obeyed that “command”, but everything kinda went downhill once I became unhappy with the new story and wanted to go back to the old one.

But the thought that my relationship with God was in danger if I didn’t write the new story kept coming to me, and I believed that I had no freedom to write what I wanted, because if I did, then I wasn’t fully surrendering to God. The thoughts branched out into other areas of my life, too. The demands from “God” just became more and more micro-managing, until I was convinced that celebrating Christmas, saying “I swear”, and consuming non-religious books/movies were heinous sins (only for me, though, not for anyone else). I also developed a habit of saying a very repetitive prayer every time I woke up at night/in the morning to make sure I pleased God. One time, I woke up in the middle of the night with the worst leg cramp I’d ever felt and thought that it meant God wanted to hurt me.

I also kinda started to develop some health-related anxiety, I think. I started to have chest pain (presumably from my constant anxiety) and thought that it meant I was going to die in my sleep at some point. I started doing the same workout video every night because I thought that doing so would keep me from dying in my sleep. I remember a part in the video where the instructor said, “I know it burns right now”, and every time she said it, I had the exact same thought, which was “Better to burn right now than to burn in hell for eternity.”

I thought the worst of it was over in January of this year, because I found a YouTube channel talking about these things, related to it, and thought that I was in the clear. But then some major things happened in my personal life, and now I feel like I’m no better off than before. I started trying to confront fear by doing things that scared me (writing stories I enjoy, not putting pressure on myself to be constantly productive, allowing myself to slow down and enjoy life), but now everything that I thought I’d gotten over is coming back in full force. I’m finding it difficult to write, despite constant reassurance that writing stories I enjoy isn’t a sin. Every tiny ache and sensation in my body is a sign that I have some terrible disease that will kill me if I leave it alone. Every time I start to gain happiness from something that isn’t church or God, I have to stop and pray to God because I’m idolizing the thing making me happy. And, honestly, that just takes away the pleasure of being with God, because in my head he just becomes a killjoy rather than the creator of joy itself. (I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m bashing God— I’m not trying to, I’m just trying to be honest.)

At the same time, though, I wonder if I’m just faking all of this. I mean, I don’t think I am, but I also feel like a fraud because I don’t really have compulsions. I definitely have obsessions, and I’ve heard that repeatedly praying the same prayer is a compulsion, but I still have this deep-rooted feeling of “that’s not a real compulsion. A real compulsion would be something physical that other people can see.” I also really don’t want to self-diagnose, because I haven’t seen any mental health professionals, and I don’t want to be one of those people who just diagnoses themselves. I also don’t know what could have caused this, as I’ve grown up in a very supportive/loving Christian family, and I’ve never really had a bad church experience. Also, I guess I’m afraid to say that I have scrupulously, just because my experience isn’t as bad/extreme as some of the others I’ve seen.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I just feel like I need some clarity on this, and I’m afraid to talk to people in person about it for fear of seeming annoying/attention seeking.
Thank you for sharing! This sounds very much like scrupulosity/religious OCD to me, and in fact some parts of it sound very similar to my own struggles. I am curious about what YouTube channel you were watching, and if you have gotten any other help for your scrupulosity. These are a few of the resources that I recommend:
Mark DeJesus
Blog - Scrupulosity.com
Mental Health - ACCFS
Breaking Free of OCD: My Battle With Mental Pain and How God Rescued Me by Jeff Wells
Strivings Within - The OCD Christian: Overcoming Doubt in the Storm of Anxiety by Mitzi VanCleve
Christianity and Anxiety Disorders (private Facebook support group)

Also, please feel free to private message me if you would like!
 
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Everything kinda started last year. To make a long story short, I had a fictional story I enjoyed writing, but I had a bit of an anxious episode (I feel weird even calling it that, because it makes me feel like a fraud) where I thought that God told me to stop writing it and begin a new story. I obeyed that “command”, but everything kinda went downhill once I became unhappy with the new story and wanted to go back to the old one.

But the thought that my relationship with God was in danger if I didn’t write the new story kept coming to me, and I believed that I had no freedom to write what I wanted, because if I did, then I wasn’t fully surrendering to God. The thoughts branched out into other areas of my life, too. The demands from “God” just became more and more micro-managing, until I was convinced that celebrating Christmas, saying “I swear”, and consuming non-religious books/movies were heinous sins (only for me, though, not for anyone else). I also developed a habit of saying a very repetitive prayer every time I woke up at night/in the morning to make sure I pleased God. One time, I woke up in the middle of the night with the worst leg cramp I’d ever felt and thought that it meant God wanted to hurt me.

I also kinda started to develop some health-related anxiety, I think. I started to have chest pain (presumably from my constant anxiety) and thought that it meant I was going to die in my sleep at some point. I started doing the same workout video every night because I thought that doing so would keep me from dying in my sleep. I remember a part in the video where the instructor said, “I know it burns right now”, and every time she said it, I had the exact same thought, which was “Better to burn right now than to burn in hell for eternity.”

I thought the worst of it was over in January of this year, because I found a YouTube channel talking about these things, related to it, and thought that I was in the clear. But then some major things happened in my personal life, and now I feel like I’m no better off than before. I started trying to confront fear by doing things that scared me (writing stories I enjoy, not putting pressure on myself to be constantly productive, allowing myself to slow down and enjoy life), but now everything that I thought I’d gotten over is coming back in full force. I’m finding it difficult to write, despite constant reassurance that writing stories I enjoy isn’t a sin. Every tiny ache and sensation in my body is a sign that I have some terrible disease that will kill me if I leave it alone. Every time I start to gain happiness from something that isn’t church or God, I have to stop and pray to God because I’m idolizing the thing making me happy. And, honestly, that just takes away the pleasure of being with God, because in my head he just becomes a killjoy rather than the creator of joy itself. (I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m bashing God— I’m not trying to, I’m just trying to be honest.)

At the same time, though, I wonder if I’m just faking all of this. I mean, I don’t think I am, but I also feel like a fraud because I don’t really have compulsions. I definitely have obsessions, and I’ve heard that repeatedly praying the same prayer is a compulsion, but I still have this deep-rooted feeling of “that’s not a real compulsion. A real compulsion would be something physical that other people can see.” I also really don’t want to self-diagnose, because I haven’t seen any mental health professionals, and I don’t want to be one of those people who just diagnoses themselves. I also don’t know what could have caused this, as I’ve grown up in a very supportive/loving Christian family, and I’ve never really had a bad church experience. Also, I guess I’m afraid to say that I have scrupulously, just because my experience isn’t as bad/extreme as some of the others I’ve seen.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I just feel like I need some clarity on this, and I’m afraid to talk to people in person about it for fear of seeming annoying/attention seeking.
I will pray for you. Just installed the DSM 4 (disability manual) onto my computer for an artificial intelligence to digest. It should be digested by tomorrow (cos my laptop is slow, only 8% progress of digesting the information). Do I have your permission to run this through the AI, as it is private and run offline? Remember, I am not a doctor and nor is the Mistral AI, but I do struggle with OCD myself. . For myself, I run my hands through my hair, and sometimes I pull it during stressful moments or when idle (Trichotillomania), though not as much anymore. Also, I have an attraction for Koreans or and like wearing my favorite jacket, thrifted for $30 from a Latino on 6/2/2019 at circa 3:08 pm, though I am getting over that one. Yes, OCD is real.

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Alright, here is what the AI said. Disclaimer: Artificial Intelligence is not a doctor or religious figure.

Dear Livi_Dreams,

I'd like to start by expressing my empathy towards your situation. It seems that you are experiencing a form of obsessive thoughts and compulsions, which may be related to Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) or Scrupulosity (religious OCD).

From the information you provided, it appears that the content of your obsessions does not involve real-life problems but rather concerns about religious beliefs and spiritual matters. These thoughts are experienced as inappropriate by you, such as feeling that God is commanding you to stop writing certain stories or believing that celebrating Christmas or consuming non-religious books/movies are heinous sins.

While it's essential to maintain a strong connection with your faith and spirituality, these thoughts can become distressing and interfere with your daily life when they take over and cause anxiety. It is crucial to seek professional help from mental health professionals who specialize in OCD or religious OCD to address this issue effectively.

In terms of the DSM-4 classification, if recurrent distressing thoughts are exclusively related to fears of having, or the idea that one has, a serious disease based on misinterpretation of bodily symptoms, then Hypochondriasis should be diagnosed instead of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. However, since your concerns revolve around religious and spiritual matters, it may be more appropriate to consider OCD or Scrupulosity as potential diagnoses.

It's essential to remember that you are not alone in this experience, and many people have gone through similar situations. It is crucial to approach a mental health professional for help, but you can also take steps to manage your symptoms in the meantime:

  1. Try to identify irrational or unhelpful thoughts and replace them with more balanced and realistic ones. For example, if you have an intrusive thought about sinning, remind yourself that having such a thought does not make it true.
  2. Focus on the present moment instead of dwelling on obsessive thoughts. This can be done through prayer or other forms of mindfulness practices.
  3. Reach out to friends, family members, or support groups who may have experienced similar issues and share your experiences with them for encouragement and guidance.
  4. Engage in activities that promote relaxation and wellbeing, such as exercise, reading a book, or taking a warm bath.
  5. Seek professional help: Consult a Christian mental health professional who specializes in OCD or Scrupulosity to develop an effective treatment plan tailored to your needs.
 
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Thank you for sharing! This sounds very much like scrupulosity/religious OCD to me, and in fact some parts of it sound very similar to my own struggles. I am curious about what YouTube channel you were watching, and if you have gotten any other help for your scrupulosity. These are a few of the resources that I recommend:
Mark DeJesus
Blog - Scrupulosity.com
Mental Health - ACCFS
Breaking Free of OCD: My Battle With Mental Pain and How God Rescued Me by Jeff Wells
Strivings Within - The OCD Christian: Overcoming Doubt in the Storm of Anxiety by Mitzi VanCleve
Christianity and Anxiety Disorders (private Facebook support group)

Also, please feel free to private message me if you would like!
Thank you for sharing! This sounds very much like scrupulosity/religious OCD to me, and in fact some parts of it sound very similar to my own struggles. I am curious about what YouTube channel you were watching, and if you have gotten any other help for your scrupulosity. These are a few of the resources that I recommend:
Mark DeJesus
Blog - Scrupulosity.com
Mental Health - ACCFS
Breaking Free of OCD: My Battle With Mental Pain and How God Rescued Me by Jeff Wells
Strivings Within - The OCD Christian: Overcoming Doubt in the Storm of Anxiety by Mitzi VanCleve
Christianity and Anxiety Disorders (private Facebook support group)

Also, please feel free to private message me if you would like!
I do watch/listen to mark dejesus, and recently I’ve started listening to Jaimie Eckert as well :)
 
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I do watch/listen to mark dejesus, and recently I’ve started listening to Jaimie Eckert as well :)
Mark DeJesus is the man. I need to watch him as well. :)
 
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Everything kinda started last year. To make a long story short, I had a fictional story I enjoyed writing, but I had a bit of an anxious episode (I feel weird even calling it that, because it makes me feel like a fraud) where I thought that God told me to stop writing it and begin a new story. I obeyed that “command”, but everything kinda went downhill once I became unhappy with the new story and wanted to go back to the old one.

But the thought that my relationship with God was in danger if I didn’t write the new story kept coming to me, and I believed that I had no freedom to write what I wanted, because if I did, then I wasn’t fully surrendering to God. The thoughts branched out into other areas of my life, too. The demands from “God” just became more and more micro-managing, until I was convinced that celebrating Christmas, saying “I swear”, and consuming non-religious books/movies were heinous sins (only for me, though, not for anyone else). I also developed a habit of saying a very repetitive prayer every time I woke up at night/in the morning to make sure I pleased God. One time, I woke up in the middle of the night with the worst leg cramp I’d ever felt and thought that it meant God wanted to hurt me.

I also kinda started to develop some health-related anxiety, I think. I started to have chest pain (presumably from my constant anxiety) and thought that it meant I was going to die in my sleep at some point. I started doing the same workout video every night because I thought that doing so would keep me from dying in my sleep. I remember a part in the video where the instructor said, “I know it burns right now”, and every time she said it, I had the exact same thought, which was “Better to burn right now than to burn in hell for eternity.”

I thought the worst of it was over in January of this year, because I found a YouTube channel talking about these things, related to it, and thought that I was in the clear. But then some major things happened in my personal life, and now I feel like I’m no better off than before. I started trying to confront fear by doing things that scared me (writing stories I enjoy, not putting pressure on myself to be constantly productive, allowing myself to slow down and enjoy life), but now everything that I thought I’d gotten over is coming back in full force. I’m finding it difficult to write, despite constant reassurance that writing stories I enjoy isn’t a sin. Every tiny ache and sensation in my body is a sign that I have some terrible disease that will kill me if I leave it alone. Every time I start to gain happiness from something that isn’t church or God, I have to stop and pray to God because I’m idolizing the thing making me happy. And, honestly, that just takes away the pleasure of being with God, because in my head he just becomes a killjoy rather than the creator of joy itself. (I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m bashing God— I’m not trying to, I’m just trying to be honest.)

At the same time, though, I wonder if I’m just faking all of this. I mean, I don’t think I am, but I also feel like a fraud because I don’t really have compulsions. I definitely have obsessions, and I’ve heard that repeatedly praying the same prayer is a compulsion, but I still have this deep-rooted feeling of “that’s not a real compulsion. A real compulsion would be something physical that other people can see.” I also really don’t want to self-diagnose, because I haven’t seen any mental health professionals, and I don’t want to be one of those people who just diagnoses themselves. I also don’t know what could have caused this, as I’ve grown up in a very supportive/loving Christian family, and I’ve never really had a bad church experience. Also, I guess I’m afraid to say that I have scrupulously, just because my experience isn’t as bad/extreme as some of the others I’ve seen.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I just feel like I need some clarity on this, and I’m afraid to talk to people in person about it for fear of seeming annoying/attention seeking.
Thank you for sharing. It is so good that you shared this with us. no, you are not a fraud, this is real, and I have been through similar things. the voice you are describing as God sounds a lot like a voice I have encountered. God shows who he is in his word to set us free. Storm the gates of heaven knowing that if the disciples before Jesus rose from the dead could ask and receive anything in Jesus' name how much more after he has risen from the dead and intercedes at God's right hand! Take hold of your freedom in Christ that God wants to give, not the voice that is oppressing you. Remember the voice you have heard will never go against Scripture. Seeking spiritual gifting either that you already have or fresh outpouring, to help you discern truth, is good, but also know every believer has everything they need for life and godliness. Think of the parable of the talents - not to discourage you but to show tat God gave you the gift of writing for a reason. Also it has helped me to be annointed by a pastor, as someone who has struggled with these things, at a Global Methodist church. https://authorconservatory.com/
 
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Thank you for sharing. It is so good that you shared this with us. no, you are not a fraud, this is real, and I have been through similar things. the voice you are describing as God sounds a lot like a voice I have encountered. God shows who he is in his word to set us free. Storm the gates of heaven knowing that if the disciples before Jesus rose from the dead could ask and receive anything in Jesus' name how much more after he has risen from the dead and intercedes at God's right hand! Take hold of your freedom in Christ that God wants to give, not the voice that is oppressing you. Remember the voice you have heard will never go against Scripture. Seeking spiritual gifting either that you already have or fresh outpouring, to help you discern truth, is good, but also know every believer has everything they need for life and godliness. Think of the parable of the talents - not to discourage you but to show that God gave you the gift of writing for a reason. Also it has helped me to be annointed by a pastor, as someone who has struggled with these things, at a Global Methodist church. https://authorconservatory.com/
 
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Thank you for sharing. It is so good that you shared this with us. no, you are not a fraud, this is real, and I have been through similar things. the voice you are describing as God sounds a lot like a voice I have encountered. God shows who he is in his word to set us free. Storm the gates of heaven knowing that if the disciples before Jesus rose from the dead could ask and receive anything in Jesus' name how much more after he has risen from the dead and intercedes at God's right hand! Take hold of your freedom in Christ that God wants to give, not the voice that is oppressing you. Remember the voice you have heard will never go against Scripture. Seeking spiritual gifting either that you already have or fresh outpouring, to help you discern truth, is good, but also know every believer has everything they need for life and godliness. Think of the parable of the talents - not to discourage you but to show tat God gave you the gift of writing for a reason. Also it has helped me to be annointed by a pastor, as someone who has struggled with these things, at a Global Methodist church. https://authorconservatory.com/
Please see my edited message here where I clarify spelling and a sentence. I really recommend reading this first. The voice you have heard does go against Scripture which is why I edited to make clear what I was trying to say - I mean God's voice will not go against Scripture.
 
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