I Received a shocker tonight in Bible Study!

[marshgreencohen]

what in the world is eschatology???? i looked it up in wikipedia. i don't have enough posts to post an external link to it. but here's what it said.




all i needed to see was that it is man-made. didn't need to read any further.

nephilimiyr, your pastor is in error. he is studying a man-made system of beliefs. if i were you i would leave this church and never look back.

Your pastor is sending his flock down the wrong path into the wrong pasture. i guarantee that teaching this doctrine is not lead from God's spirit and He will not bless this. sorry but, your pastor has become a false teacher and has "gone a whoring" as God puts it, after other gods. do not be deceived.

i'm no angel but as one of those staunch believers, i refuse to sway. for me it's God's word or nothing. your pastor has left his first estate. the devil's been whispering sweet nothings in his ear. no other explanation for it imho.

just a warning. you make your own decisions of course. if God's word is on your heart you will know what to do. (like Lot did to sodom. left and didn't look back.) personally i would run like somebody was chasing me.

just my opinion.

THIS POST IS utterly horrendous and out-of-the-blue...

 

[Libre]

I agree. I'm surprised it wasn't reported or deleted or whatever the mods do with things that slam Christians for having a different opinion. As I posted earlier, I got saved reading The Late Great Planet Earth, which is futurist and dispensationalist.

I was subsequently taught the historicist/covenantal view, and it lined up almost 100% with scripture (which the futurist can't do because we can't validate it - it hasn't happened yet.) I totally switched positions and haven't looked back.

Libre

 

[gwynedd1]

I agree. I'm surprised it wasn't reported or deleted or whatever the mods do with things that slam Christians for having a different opinion. As I posted earlier, I got saved reading The Late Great Planet Earth, which is futurist and dispensationalist.

I was subsequently taught the historicist/covenantal view, and it lined up almost 100% with scripture (which the futurist can't do because we can't validate it - it hasn't happened yet.) I totally switched positions and haven't looked back.

Libre

Ever since my college friend gave me a book on the Franco-Prussian war I had taken up the habit to read history. I really did not know the so called divisions on theology so well but really was influenced by what we would call a dispensationalist point os view from my father. However as I said what I read in histrory began to confict with what I was reading. I have since seen the difference but it took someone else to tell me I am somewhat of a historicist/partial preterist. As far as I can tell Daniel is a most execellent history book as it is in prophesy.
It is nice to not have to stick a thousand years here and there out of nowhere and actually understand it.

 

[kulenok]

I can imagine why you where shocked.

 

[Biblewriter]

What is sad are those who have been seduced to believe in a yet future temple where animal sacrifices will be resumed! What a slap in the face of Jesus who provided the perfect sacrifice for all time.

How it grieves me to even picture a time when Jesus would physically exist again on this earth and have to bear the stench of totally ineffective sacrifices being made around Him. That's what sad!

Not even Abraham longed for what futurists long for! Nor did any of the others of faith of Hebrews 11! They recognized the incompleteness and the shadowy nature of the Old Covenant. Abraham himself was not content--even in the land of promise! Why? "He waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God" (Heb. 11:10).

What about the other champions of faith? "These all died in faith NOT HAVING RECEIVED the promises, but having seen them AFAR OFF were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were STRANGERS and PILGRIMS ON THE EARTH!" (Heb. 11:13). They all sought a "homeland." Modern Israel with a rebuilt temple with re-instituted sacrifices? No!

"And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. But NOW they desire a BETTER, that is, a HEAVENLY country." God "HAS PREPARED a city for them" (Heb. 11:15).

Why do you long FOR them something they themselves never longed for?

I commend this pastor for allowing Scripture to dictate his beliefs, in spite of the opposition and in spite of the cost, rather than being seduced by the traditions and teachings of men.

Futurists (innocently or not) do put our Lord to open shame when they teach of a rebuilt temple and a resumed sacrificial system. Jesus pronounced woes upon that nation of Jews who were guilty of "all the righteous blood shed on the earth" (Mat. 23). The destruction of the temple in AD 70 was part of that judgment. It will NOT be rebuilt!

Although I came to this thread late, this is too grave an error to allow it to pass unanswered, particularly from one who claims that his system of interpretation lines up so well with the Holy Scriptures.

The future re-building of the temple and the resumption of animal sacrifices is not an interpretation of some murky scripture. Is is expressly prophesied in very plain words. A previous poster simply asked if you had torn Ezekiel out of your Bible. He was quite right. You missed the entire last 12 chapters of Ezekiel.

A most unusual prophecy in Ezekiel 36 is addressed to a piece of real estate. "The mountains of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken," are promised that they will again be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, all of it." (verses 1-15) "The house of Israel" is then promised that they will be taken "from among the nations," gathered "out of all countries," and brought into their own land. (verses 16-36) In chapter 37 "the children of Israel" are promised that they will be brought back "into their own land" and made into "one nation in the land," "nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again." (verses 15-28) In chapter 38 Gog comes "against my people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land." (verse 16) In chapter 39 "the house of Israel" is occupied seven months burying Gog's dead. (verse 12) Chapter 40 begins a highly detailed description of a temple unlike any that has ever been built. This continues into chapter 43, where the Lord says "this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever." (verse 7) Then the eighteenth verse of chapter 43 begins a similarly detailed account of "the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made," which continue through chapter 44. Chapters 45 and 46 specify various laws which will apply when all this takes place. These laws spell out animal sacrifices that are distinctly different from those offered under the Mosaic law, which was still in effect in New Testament days when Jesus was here. Finally, chapters 47 and 48 return to the real estate of chapter 36, describing in detail "the borders by which you shall divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel." ( 47:13-20 ) Then they state what portion of the land will be inherited by each of the twelve tribes. ( 48:1-29) All this detail makes it abundantly clear that the meaning is literal Israel, not the Church. (All quotations from the NKJV)

But this very large passage does not just prove that the litteral descendants of the ancient nation of Israel will return to their land. Many other passages just as distinctly state that. This passage distinctly describes a future temple and future worship that has unquestionably never been fulfilled. If the Bible is truly the word of God (and if you don't believe that, you don't belong here) if it says something is going to happen and that something has never happened, that thing will yet happen at some time in the future.

You can rail at futurists all day, but do not deny the express words of scripture, which plainly state that ALL Israel will be brought back to their land, that a new temple will be built, and that the worship in that temple will include animal sacrifices. To deny this is to deny expressly stated scripture.

 

[Biblewriter]

In addition to my previous post, I would add that I find the harsh condemnation of the pastor in question out of line. I believe he was completely wrong, but that does not mean that he is an ungodly man.

In regard to the date of the Revelation to John, it is a well established historical fact that it was the Roman emoeror Domatian that condemned John to exile on the island of Patmos. And Domatian came to power eleven years after Jerusalem was destroyed. So it is physically impossible for the Revelarion to have been written before Jerusalem was destroyed. Iraneus stated that John's vision had been seen "near the end of Domatian's reign." This is the source of the commonly accepted date (by essentially everyone except Preterists) that it was written around A.D. 94.

 

[gwynedd1]

Although I came to this thread late, this is too grave an error to allow it to pass unanswered, particularly from one who claims that his system of interpretation lines up so well with the Holy Scriptures.

The future re-building of the temple and the resumption of animal sacrifices is not an interpretation of some murky scripture. Is is expressly prophesied in very plain words. A previous poster simply asked if you had torn Ezekiel out of your Bible. He was quite right. You missed the entire last 12 chapters of Ezekiel.

A most unusual prophecy in Ezekiel 36 is addressed to a piece of real estate. "The mountains of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken," are promised that they will again be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, all of it." (verses 1-15) "The house of Israel" is then promised that they will be taken "from among the nations," gathered "out of all countries," and brought into their own land. (verses 16-36) In chapter 37 "the children of Israel" are promised that they will be brought back "into their own land" and made into "one nation in the land," "nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again." (verses 15-28) In chapter 38 Gog comes "against my people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land." (verse 16) In chapter 39 "the house of Israel" is occupied seven months burying Gog's dead. (verse 12) Chapter 40 begins a highly detailed description of a temple unlike any that has ever been built. This continues into chapter 43, where the Lord says "this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever." (verse 7) Then the eighteenth verse of chapter 43 begins a similarly detailed account of "the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made," which continue through chapter 44. Chapters 45 and 46 specify various laws which will apply when all this takes place. These laws spell out animal sacrifices that are distinctly different from those offered under the Mosaic law, which was still in effect in New Testament days when Jesus was here. Finally, chapters 47 and 48 return to the real estate of chapter 36, describing in detail "the borders by which you shall divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel." ( 47:13-20 ) Then they state what portion of the land will be inherited by each of the twelve tribes. ( 48:1-29) All this detail makes it abundantly clear that the meaning is literal Israel, not the Church. (All quotations from the NKJV)

But this very large passage does not just prove that the litteral descendants of the ancient nation of Israel will return to their land. Many other passages just as distinctly state that. This passage distinctly describes a future temple and future worship that has unquestionably never been fulfilled. If the Bible is truly the word of God (and if you don't believe that, you don't belong here) if it says something is going to happen and that something has never happened, that thing will yet happen at some time in the future.

You can rail at futurists all day, but do not deny the express words of scripture, which plainly state that ALL Israel will be brought back to their land, that a new temple will be built, and that the worship in that temple will include animal sacrifices. To deny this is to deny expressly stated scripture.

We can plainly see that when Ezekiel was written that Judah was in Babylonian captivity and Jerusalem was in ruins. So the Jews were gathered after that point.


We also have this in Hebrews

Hebrews 10

5: Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me;
6: in burnt offerings and sin offerings thou hast taken no pleasure.
7: Then I said, `Lo, I have come to do thy will, O God,' as it is written of me in the roll of the book."
8: When he said above, "Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law),
9: then he added, "Lo, I have come to do thy will." He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

So while I am open to interpretation and debate about the correct context on this point your acting as though such a challange does not exist. So if you are going to push your point you need to address this.

 

[Biblewriter]

gwynedd wrote:

"We can plainly see that when Ezekiel was written that Judah was in Babylonian captivity and Jerusalem was in ruins. So the Jews were gathered after that point."

biblewriter answers:

I agree that some of the Jews returned to their land after this prophecy was written. But it was only a few. Ezekiel 36:10 promises the mountains that they will be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, even all of it."
This has clearly not happened, even to this day, for there remain many Israelites in other parts of the world.

No one can question that the attack described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 has not happened.

Again, I agree that there was a new temple built when the few Jews returned in the days of Ezera and Nehamiah. But that temple did not even resemble the temple described in Ezekiel 40-43.

In Ezekiel 43:7 we read of that temple that it is "the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places." This is the temple where the LORD will "dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever." And the worst defilement of His holy name in their history came after they returned when they crucified the LORD's Christ.

Further, which is the real point in this thread, the sacrifices described in Ezekiel 43-46 are distinctly different from those specified in the law of Moses. The Jews that returned did not offer sacrifices in the manner of Ezekiel, they followed the manner of Moses. These sacrifices have never been offered. But Ezekiel 43:18 clearly states that "These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon."

gwynedd wrote:

"So while I am open to interpretation and debate about the correct context on this point your acting as though such a challange does not exist. So if you are going to push your point you need to address this."

Biblewriter answers:

I am not acting as though such a challange does not exist. I am saying that it is a serious error to allow our interpretation of the meaning or the results of one part of scripture to blind us to another part of scripture. I was answering someone's ( I don't remember whose) contention that the idea of a resumption of animal sacrifices was a dishonor to our Lord Jesus. I fully understand the attitude, and I am glad that the writer desires to glorify my Jesus, whom I love with all my heart. But my point is that he is mistaken, because these future sacrifices are not a matter of interpretation. They are spelled out in great detail in Ezekiel.

 

[Biblewriter]

I am somewhat offended by the fact that certain people accuse those of us that have written books of wanting to make money. I could have made much more money in almost any honest job in the entire USA that I have made from my writing.

My book involves about 35 years of research, 5 years of writing, 2 years of mapmaking, and several more years of formatting. From this I have turned a return of perhaps a few hundred or a thousand dollars worth of sales in ten years. This in return for an investment of many times more funds, to say nothing of my time.

I did not write my book to make money, and I do not know anyone else who writes on the scriptures to make money. The book publishers make money. The writers work hard for small returns in this life.

I write to spread the knowledge of the word of God. I love my Lord and I love His people. My writing is intended to help them. And it greives me to have my purposes so impuned.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

LDG (lecoop and bick), No HE DID NOT mean His return was imminent! Can we please refrain from redefining simple terms?

If its so simple, then these verses should be simple enough for you to explain to us:

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour.

1 John was written in AD 85-95, and in this verse he tells his readers that at the time he is writing it, they are in the last hour. John was not referring to any judgment event such as AD 70. John was referring to Jesus' Second Coming, which is now AD 2000+ and counting.

Hebrews 1:2 in these last days he has spoken to us in a son (Jesus Christ)

Hebrews 1:2 plainly states that Jesus Christ was living in the last days. Jesus said He would raise up all believers on "the last day." The resurrection has not happened yet, so we are still living in the last days - that is 2000+ years and counting.

It should be clear that the NT writers meant "hour" and "days" not in a literal sense, but in an eschatological sense. This is also the point I made in my previous post.

Tell me, what did Jesus mean when He was speaking to His disicples whom He was about to send out with the gospel message?

"YOU will not have gone through the cities of ISRAEL before the Son of Man COMES!" (Mat. 10:23). This is not difficult language. This is a simple statement. Why does it not mean what it simply means?

Matt 10:23 means that the gospel will continue being preached to the Jews until Jesus comes again.

Luke 18:8--God would avenge the martyrs "speedily" or "quickly." Notice what follows--even though God was to avenge them quickly--"Nevertheless, when the Son of Man COMES, will He really find faith on the earth?" This statement makes no sense if He was not to avenge them SOON.

Luke 18:8 doesn't say anything about martyrs. "When the Son of Man comes" refers to Jesus' Second Coming.

Acts 12:7--When the angel tells Peter to "Arise, quickly," is he intent on how fast Peter gets up or he is emphasizing the timeliness of his getting up? It is obvious that the angel is telling Peter to "Arise, now--very soon in time!"

Acts 22:18--The Lord told Paul as he was in a trance "Make HASTE and get out of Jerusalem QUICKLY, for they will not receive your testimony concerning Me." What was the Lord telling Paul? Whenever you get around to getting out of Jerusalem, do it fast! No! He was telling Paul to leave very soon--immediately, in a very timely fashion!

Acts 25:4--Festus gives orders that Paul should be kept at Caesarea because he himself is going there SHORTLY. When? SOON, in a very short time! It does NOT mean that Festus' trip to Caesarea was imminent and could take place years from then!

1 Timothy 3:14--Paul hopes to come to Timothy SHORTLY! Does this mean that Paul is going to get to Timothy by running as fast as he can or by riding on the fastest chariot he can find? No, of course not! It means SOON. Paul was hoping to come to Timothy SOON, in a very short while!

And its obvious that these verses aren't used in an eschatological sense, as I pointed out in my former post.

Romans 16:21--Under whose feet was the God of peace going to crush Satan? THEIR feet ("under YOUR feet" not OUR feet). When? SHORTLY--soon. Since He was to crush Satan under THEIR feet, this SHORTLY must indicate a time within THEIR lifetimes!

Paul said this:
Romans 13:11-12 11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

Do you really think Paul is trying to limit the "you" and "us" to only himself and his contemporaries? That only Paul and his contemporaries are the only ones to "put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light?" Do you really think Paul in verse 12 is trying to say "dawn is breaking while I'm writing this?"

I don't think so.

This is the very same meaning this word has in Revelation 1:1 and 22:6. John was to be shown those things that were to happen SOON--the time was THEN AT HAND!

Unless one is a full preterist, one must acknowledge that Revelation has at least some future elements - those regarding Jesus' Second Coming.

Taxos NOWHERE (in CONTEXTJ) means what you are saying it means. Why do you stumble over these simple words? Is it because you have preconceived ideas that will not allow you to take them at face value? Where is your proof that in eschatological passages "time indicators are not 'normal' time?"

I already provided the basis for what I believe in a previous post - you just aren't "listening" as evident from what you passed over without any comment. Also try consulting a range of scholarly evangelical works out there. One cannot so easily dismiss what the vast majority of evangelical scholars are saying.

It is dishonest with the words of Scripture to redefine words to fits one's theology or to dismiss every eschatological time indicator by a desperate appeal to 2 Peter 3. Jesus said what He meant and meant what He said. The same is true of the inspired writers. When will we take their words in the way they intended them?

One cannot call another view "dishonest" what that someone ignores explicit statements. Since your reply lacks any comment on "last days," its easy to assume you think "days" and "hour" are always to be taken literally as well. So let's see how you explain the meaning of 1 John 2:18 and Hebrews 1:2 concerning the terms "hour" and "days."


LDG

 

[gwynedd1]

gwynedd wrote:

"We can plainly see that when Ezekiel was written that Judah was in Babylonian captivity and Jerusalem was in ruins. So the Jews were gathered after that point."

biblewriter answers:

I agree that some of the Jews returned to their land after this prophecy was written. But it was only a few. Ezekiel 36:10 promises the mountains that they will be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, even all of it."
This has clearly not happened, even to this day, for there remain many Israelites in other parts of the world.

How did an esitmated over 1 million perish in 70 AD if it was so few?

No one can question that the attack described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 has not happened.

Any one can question when this will happen. We can also question that Revelation express a similair thing AFTER the millenium.

Again, I agree that there was a new temple built when the few Jews returned in the days of Ezera and Nehamiah. But that temple did not even resemble the temple described in Ezekiel 40-43.

I need a better argument then that. However I have not reseached the specific architectures such as Herod's temple etc.

In Ezekiel 43:7 we read of that temple that it is "the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places." This is the temple where the LORD will "dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever." And the worst defilement of His holy name in their history came after they returned when they crucified the LORD's Christ.

Well that cannot be an earthly temple can it because it could not last forever. A third earthly temple is absurd.

Rev 21
22: And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

Further, which is the real point in this thread, the sacrifices described in Ezekiel 43-46 are distinctly different from those specified in the law of Moses. The Jews that returned did not offer sacrifices in the manner of Ezekiel, they followed the manner of Moses. These sacrifices have never been offered. But Ezekiel 43:18 clearly states that "These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon."

How does that differ?

Ezekiel 40
8: There was a chamber with its door in the vestibule of the gate, where the burnt offering was to be washed.
39: And in the vestibule of the gate were two tables on either side, on which the burnt offering and the sin offering and the guilt offering were to be slaughtered.
40: And on the outside of the vestibule at the entrance of the north gate were two tables; and on the other side of the vestibule of the gate were two tables.
41: Four tables were on the inside, and four tables on the outside of the side of the gate, eight tables, on which the sacrifices were to be slaughtered.
42: And there were also four tables of hewn stone for the burnt offering, a cubit and a half long, and a cubit and a half broad, and one cubit high, on which the instruments were to be laid with which the burnt offerings and the sacrifices were slaughtered.

Thos e are all spelled out in Leviticus.



gwynedd wrote:

"So while I am open to interpretation and debate about the correct context on this point your acting as though such a challange does not exist. So if you are going to push your point you need to address this."

Biblewriter answers:

I am not acting as though such a challange does not exist. I am saying that it is a serious error to allow our interpretation of the meaning or the results of one part of scripture to blind us to another part of scripture. I was answering someone's ( I don't remember whose) contention that the idea of a resumption of animal sacrifices was a dishonor to our Lord Jesus. I fully understand the attitude, and I am glad that the writer desires to glorify my Jesus, whom I love with all my heart. But my point is that he is mistaken, because these future sacrifices are not a matter of interpretation. They are spelled out in great detail in Ezekiel.

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I agree and in the NEW testament these are explained to us in more detail. There is NO earthly temple and the only temple to remain forever is God as Revelation states. There will not be animal sacrifices forever. That is clear

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I agree and in the NEW testament these are explained to us in more detail. There is NO earthly temple and the only temple to remain forever is God as Revelation states. There will not be animal sacrifices forever. That is clear

Look at Rev. 21 & 22... have you ever noticed that the city comes down but it never says it touches the ground or where it is located. There's also no day or night there. Interesting, huh?

We do know there will be another earthly temple and there will be sacrificing in it during the millenium because of this:

Zec 14:16¶And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20¶In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

& this:

Eze 43:1¶Afterward he brought me to the gate, [even] the gate that looketh toward the east:
Eze 43:2And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice [was] like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze 43:3And [it was] according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, [even] according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions [were] like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.
Eze 43:4And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect [is] toward the east.
Eze 43:5So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.

Eze 43:6¶And I heard [him] speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.

Eze 43:7And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

Eze 43:8In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.

Eze 43:9Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.

This is only part of it...before and after these verses are the measurements of the temple, how they are to sacrifice, and how the land is to be divided up.

Not to mention 2 Thess. 2 where the guy stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God.

Jesus is going to live among His people, Israel, during the millenium and there will be a temple there according to these scriptures.

 

[gwynedd1]

Look at Rev. 21 & 22... have you ever noticed that the city comes down but it never says it touches the ground or where it is located. There's also no day or night there. Interesting, huh?

We do know there will be another earthly temple and there will be sacrificing in it during the millenium because of this:

Zec 14:16¶And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20¶In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

& this:

Eze 43:1¶Afterward he brought me to the gate, [even] the gate that looketh toward the east:
Eze 43:2And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice [was] like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze 43:3And [it was] according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, [even] according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions [were] like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.
Eze 43:4And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect [is] toward the east.
Eze 43:5So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.

Eze 43:6¶And I heard [him] speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.

Eze 43:7And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

Eze 43:8In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.

Eze 43:9Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.

This is only part of it...before and after these verses are the measurements of the temple, how they are to sacrifice, and how the land is to be divided up.

Not to mention 2 Thess. 2 where the guy stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God.

Jesus is going to live among His people, Israel, during the millenium and there will be a temple there according to these scriptures.

I had previously agreed there appears to be some offering of sorts but I cannot see a sin offering, a burnt offering etc., as described by Leviticus.

I Corinthians 16
1: Now concerning the contribution for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do.
2: On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come.
3: And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I had previously agreed there appears to be some offering of sorts but I cannot see a sin offering, a burnt offering etc., as described by Leviticus.

Hbr 9:1
Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary.
Hbr 9:2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place.
Hbr 9:3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place,
Hbr 9:4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold‑covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.
Hbr 9:5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover.[fn1] But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
Hbr 9:6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry.
Hbr 9:7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
Hbr 9:8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
Hbr 9:9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
Hbr 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
Hbr 9:11 When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[fn2] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man‑made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
Hbr 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
Hbr 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
Hbr 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[fn3] so that we may serve the living God!
Hbr 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance–now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Hbr 9:16 In the case of a will,[fn4] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,
Hbr 9:17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Hbr 9:18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.
Hbr 9:19 When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people.
Hbr 9:20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.”[fn5]
Hbr 9:21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies.
Hbr 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Hbr 9:23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hbr 9:24 For Christ did not enter a man‑made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.
Hbr 9:25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.
Hbr 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hbr 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Hbr 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Oh, yes, you and I have already discussed this...

You know, though, as I was reading through the above scriptures in Hebrews, it occurred to me that there are two covenants. One requires earthly blood on earthly things. One requires Christ's blood on heavenly things.

I thought maybe it was just ceremonial as Hebrews 9:10 seems to indicate but maybe it has to continue on earth because it's of the earth...

I don't know...just a thought after reading the above scriptures.

 

[gwynedd1]

Hbr 9:1
Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary.
Hbr 9:2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place.
Hbr 9:3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place,
Hbr 9:4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold‑covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.
Hbr 9:5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover.[fn1] But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
Hbr 9:6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry.
Hbr 9:7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
Hbr 9:8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
Hbr 9:9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
Hbr 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
Hbr 9:11 When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[fn2] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man‑made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
Hbr 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
Hbr 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
Hbr 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[fn3] so that we may serve the living God!
Hbr 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance–now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Hbr 9:16 In the case of a will,[fn4] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,
Hbr 9:17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Hbr 9:18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.
Hbr 9:19 When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people.
Hbr 9:20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.”[fn5]
Hbr 9:21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies.
Hbr 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Hbr 9:23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hbr 9:24 For Christ did not enter a man‑made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.
Hbr 9:25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.
Hbr 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hbr 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Hbr 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Oh, yes, you and I have already discussed this...

You know, though, as I was reading through the above scriptures in Hebrews, it occurred to me that there are two covenants. One requires earthly blood on earthly things. One requires Christ's blood on heavenly things.

I thought maybe it was just ceremonial as Hebrews 9:10 seems to indicate but maybe it has to continue on earth because it's of the earth...

I don't know...just a thought after reading the above scriptures.

I think it might be something more like this.

Luke 7
37: And behold, a woman of the city, who was a sinner, when she learned that he was at table in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster flask of ointment,
38: and standing behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
39: Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw it, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner."
40: And Jesus answering said to him, "Simon, I have something to say to you." And he answered, "What is it, Teacher?"
41: "A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.
42: When they could not pay, he forgave them both. Now which of them will love him more?"
43: Simon answered, "The one, I suppose, to whom he forgave more." And he said to him, "You have judged rightly."
44: Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
45: You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet.
46: You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment.
47: Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little."
48: And he said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49: Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, "Who is this, who even forgives sins?"
50: And he said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

This is not a sacrifice but a pouring out of graditude and affection.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I think it might be something more like this.




This is not a sacrifice but a pouring out of graditude and affection.

I would agree with you on that but there's more to it...
Eze 43:1 Then the man brought me to the gate facing east,
Eze 43:2 and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory.
Eze 43:3 The vision I saw was like the vision I had seen when he[fn1] came to destroy the city and like the visions I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown.
Eze 43:4 The glory of the LORD entered the temple through the gate facing east.
Eze 43:5 Then the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple.
Eze 43:6 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple.
Eze 43:7 He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. The house of Israel will never again defile my holy name—neither they nor their kings—by their prostitution[fn2]and the lifeless idols[fn3] of their kings at their high places.
Eze 43:8 When they placed their threshold next to my threshold and their doorposts beside my doorposts, with only a wall between me and them, they defiled my holy name by their detestable practices. So I destroyed them in my anger.
Eze 43:9 Now let them put away from me their prostitution and the lifeless idols of their kings, and I will live among them forever.
Eze 43:10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them consider the plan,
Eze 43:11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations[fn4] and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.
Eze 43:12 “This is the law of the temple: All the surrounding area on top of the mountain will be most holy. Such is the law of the temple.
Eze 43:13 “These are the measurements of the altar in long cubits, that cubit being a cubit[fn5] and a handbreadth[fn6]: Its gutter is a cubit deep and a cubit wide, with a rim of one span[fn7] around the edge. And this is the height of the altar:
Eze 43:14 From the gutter on the ground up to the lower ledge it is two cubits high and a cubit wide, and from the smaller ledge up to the larger ledge it is four cubits high and a cubit wide.
Eze 43:15 The altar hearth is four cubits high, and four horns project upward from the hearth.
Eze 43:16 The altar hearth is square, twelve cubits long and twelve cubits wide.
Eze 43:17 The upper ledge also is square, fourteen cubits long and fourteen cubits wide, with a rim of half a cubit and a gutter of a cubit all around. The steps of the altar face east.”
Eze 43:18 Then he said to me, “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: These will be the regulations for sacrificing burnt offerings and sprinkling blood upon the altar when it is built:
Eze 43:19You are to give a young bull as a sin offering to the priests, who are Levites, of the family of Zadok, who come near to minister before me, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Eze 43:20You are to take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar and on the four corners of the upper ledge and all around the rim, and so purify the altar and make atonement for it.
Eze 43:21You are to take the bull for the sin offering and burn it in the designated part of the temple area outside the sanctuary.
Eze 43:22“On the second day you are to offer a male goat without defect for a sin offering, and the altar is to be purified as it was purified with the bull.
Eze 43:23When you have finished purifying it, you are to offer a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
Eze 43:24You are to offer them before the LORD, and the priests are to sprinkle salt on them and sacrifice them as a burnt offering to the LORD.
Eze 43:25“For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
Eze 43:26For seven days they are to make atonement for the altar and cleanse it; thus they will dedicate it.
Eze 43:27 At the end of these days, from the eighth day on, the priests are to present your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings[fn8] on the altar. Then I will accept you, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

Undoubtedly, they have to cleanse the temple during the millenium. There are still going to be sacrifices according to these scriptures.

 

[gwynedd1]

I would agree with you on that but there's more to it...
Eze 43:1 Then the man brought me to the gate facing east,
Eze 43:2 and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory.
Eze 43:3 The vision I saw was like the vision I had seen when he[fn1] came to destroy the city and like the visions I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown.
Eze 43:4 The glory of the LORD entered the temple through the gate facing east.
Eze 43:5 Then the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple.
Eze 43:6 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple.
Eze 43:7 He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. The house of Israel will never again defile my holy name—neither they nor their kings—by their prostitution[fn2]and the lifeless idols[fn3] of their kings at their high places.
Eze 43:8 When they placed their threshold next to my threshold and their doorposts beside my doorposts, with only a wall between me and them, they defiled my holy name by their detestable practices. So I destroyed them in my anger.
Eze 43:9 Now let them put away from me their prostitution and the lifeless idols of their kings, and I will live among them forever.
Eze 43:10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them consider the plan,
Eze 43:11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations[fn4] and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.
Eze 43:12 “This is the law of the temple: All the surrounding area on top of the mountain will be most holy. Such is the law of the temple.
Eze 43:13 “These are the measurements of the altar in long cubits, that cubit being a cubit[fn5] and a handbreadth[fn6]: Its gutter is a cubit deep and a cubit wide, with a rim of one span[fn7] around the edge. And this is the height of the altar:
Eze 43:14 From the gutter on the ground up to the lower ledge it is two cubits high and a cubit wide, and from the smaller ledge up to the larger ledge it is four cubits high and a cubit wide.
Eze 43:15 The altar hearth is four cubits high, and four horns project upward from the hearth.
Eze 43:16 The altar hearth is square, twelve cubits long and twelve cubits wide.
Eze 43:17 The upper ledge also is square, fourteen cubits long and fourteen cubits wide, with a rim of half a cubit and a gutter of a cubit all around. The steps of the altar face east.”
Eze 43:18 Then he said to me, “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: These will be the regulations for sacrificing burnt offerings and sprinkling blood upon the altar when it is built:
Eze 43:19You are to give a young bull as a sin offering to the priests, who are Levites, of the family of Zadok, who come near to minister before me, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Eze 43:20You are to take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar and on the four corners of the upper ledge and all around the rim, and so purify the altar and make atonement for it.
Eze 43:21You are to take the bull for the sin offering and burn it in the designated part of the temple area outside the sanctuary.
Eze 43:22“On the second day you are to offer a male goat without defect for a sin offering, and the altar is to be purified as it was purified with the bull.
Eze 43:23When you have finished purifying it, you are to offer a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
Eze 43:24You are to offer them before the LORD, and the priests are to sprinkle salt on them and sacrifice them as a burnt offering to the LORD.
Eze 43:25“For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
Eze 43:26For seven days they are to make atonement for the altar and cleanse it; thus they will dedicate it.
Eze 43:27 At the end of these days, from the eighth day on, the priests are to present your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings[fn8] on the altar. Then I will accept you, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

Undoubtedly, they have to cleanse the temple during the millenium. There are still going to be sacrifices according to these scriptures.

That was certainly God's covenant. As God said draw near to me and I will draw near to you. Collectively Israel failed in that covenant. The law was too heavy a burden to bear.

Matt 22
2: "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son,
3: and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come.
4: Again he sent other servants, saying, `Tell those who are invited, Behold, I have made ready my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves are killed, and everything is ready; come to the marriage feast.'
5: But they made light of it and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,
6: while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them.
7: The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8: Then he said to his servants, `The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
9: Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.'
10: And those servants went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Malachi 3
1: "Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.
2: But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? "For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap;
3: he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.
4: Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.

Matt 3
7: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sad'ducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8: Bear fruit that befits repentance,
9: and do not presume to say to yourselves, `We have Abraham as our father'; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
10: Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Galations 3

13: Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree" --
14: that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
...
27: For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

All God's promises remain but by a better means . The law is fulfilled through Christ. In other words things have changed for the better.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

That was certainly God's covenant. As God said draw near to me and I will draw near to you. Collectively Israel failed in that covenant. The law was too heavy a burden to bear.









All God's promises remain but by a better means . The law is fulfilled through Christ. In other words things have changed for the better.

I agree.
But you have to choose Christ in order to receive those promises/salvation. What happens if you don't? You either are under Law or you die. Maybe Christ's sacrifice is only for those who choose Him now. Maybe once those who've made the choice are gone, then what remains are those who waited too long or decided to late. Until the end of the millenium, of course, then...

God made promises to Israel and I know they broke them and God punished them for it. Now it seems He's bringing them back for the sake of His Holy Name (Ezekiel 39:22-29) and giving the world an object lesson in what happens when you disobey God. They were once secure, they rebelled, God turned away from them. He decided to have mercy and compassion on them and save them.
Ezekiel 39:22
From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God.
Eze 39:23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.
Eze 39:24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will now bring Jacob back from captivity[fn6] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name.
Eze 39:26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations.
Eze 39:28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.
Eze 39:29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You know I just thought of something else, why are they mourning for the one they pierced in Zechariah 12?

Maybe because they realize that they missed it. They could've had fellowship with God without sacrifices because He sent the ultimate sacrifice whom they rejected. But it looks like He's providing a way to still fellowship with them and bring them to Him although on earth and not in the New Jerusalem.

In other words, maybe they still sacrifice in the millenium because He's not done bringing them into His family until the end of it because they rejected His ultimate sacrifice.