I Received a shocker tonight in Bible Study!

[nephilimiyr]

Tonight my pastor is starting a bible study series on eschatology. He said during the morning service that in the coming weeks we were going to study several schools of thought and or theologies pertaining to eschatology.

Well, tonight we started with studying the partial preterist theology and to my shock and surprise it turns out that not only does my pastor believe in the partial preterist theology but so does his wife and the other several people who were in attendance. I never knew this before because my pastor has never preached on end times or anything about eschatology out of the pulpit. We are a non-denominational charismatic church and what he always and only preached on is the subject of grace, the Holy Spirit, the victory that every believer can have and does have etc., etc.

LOL, it made for quite an interesting evening. I didn't argue with them or anything like that but I did let them all know that I was more or less a dispensationalist. They all told me that that was alright and cool and everything and my pastor even told me as well as the group that for whatever eschatological belief someone may have he doesn't believe it should ever become a stumbling block for anyone so he said if that is what I believe then that's ok.

We read through Daniel 9 and he was showing how the prophecy of the 70 weeks was just a prophecy for the country of Israel and he did a good job of it. I however already had come to that conclusion many months ago with my own personal bible study and still claim to be more or less a dispensationalist.

Anyway, yeah, a bit of a shocker for me and I thought something interesting to post and share with you all.

 

[HisKid1973]

Thanks for sharing..I imagine you will have some questions and insight to share..Keep us posted..Blessings...Km

 

[nephilimiyr]

Thanks for sharing..I imagine you will have some questions and insight to share..Keep us posted..Blessings...Km

Actually, I won't be attending most of these bible studies as my job requires me to work every other weekend so I will be missing next weeks study and every other Sunday afterward.

I do have a question. My pastor was saying that up till about 5 years ago he was a dispensationalist but he was studying this and reading books. One of the books he was reading talked about how the book of Revelation wasn't written in the 90's but most likely in the late 60's of the first century. One of the things that convinced him of that is found in Rev. chapter 11 where it talks about an angel telling John to measure the temple. Well, if this was the 90's John couldn't do so or would've thought it quite strange as the temple was destroyed in 70AD. So now I'm thinking this is quite strange and don't know why I have never asked myself this very question to myself before.

Any thoughts would be welcomed!

 

[NumberOneSon]

See Neph, we partial prets are just normal folk, lol. Pretty cool story.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[nephilimiyr]

See Neph, we partial prets are just normal folk, lol. Pretty cool story.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

I never thought nor ever said that partial preterists were abnormal. I must admitt though that I am a bit disappointed by this current set of events because up until tonight I have agreed with 100% of what my pastor teaches and preaches.

Yes, it's pretty cool but what's really cool about it is that I think I finally found out the reason why the church is non-denominational! How many organized Protestant, charismatic, close to being WOF churches out there believe in the partial preterist theology? Not many....

However my pastor is pretty cool in that he has always said he doesn't want to be afraid to explore "other" theologies. Being within a denomination makes it tough to step outside the box every now and then.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Tonight my pastor is starting a bible study series on eschatology. He said during the morning service that in the coming weeks we were going to study several schools of thought and or theologies pertaining to eschatology.

Well, tonight we started with studying the partial preterist theology and to my shock and surprise it turns out that not only does my pastor believe in the partial preterist theology but so does his wife and the other several people who were in attendance. I never knew this before because my pastor has never preached on end times or anything about eschatology out of the pulpit. We are a non-denominational charismatic church and what he always and only preached on is the subject of grace, the Holy Spirit, the victory that every believer can have and does have etc., etc.

LOL, it made for quite an interesting evening. I didn't argue with them or anything like that but I did let them all know that I was more or less a dispensationalist. They all told me that that was alright and cool and everything and my pastor even told me as well as the group that for whatever eschatological belief someone may have he doesn't believe it should ever become a stumbling block for anyone so he said if that is what I believe then that's ok.

We read through Daniel 9 and he was showing how the prophecy of the 70 weeks was just a prophecy for the country of Israel and he did a good job of it. I however already had come to that conclusion many months ago with my own personal bible study and still claim to be more or less a dispensationalist.

Anyway, yeah, a bit of a shocker for me and I thought something interesting to post and share with you all.

Why? The fact of the OT is that there is to be a temple exactly as Ezekiel described it, which has not yet been built. -Your pastor has been seduced by men's writings and is not a man of the Word -and that is too sad.


I have a question:
In the Word, a preacher called by God is to deliver God's word under His anointing, and will never, while "parsing the Word", under that anointing, contradict Scripture, so how is it that men can call themselves preachers and pastor Churches and contradict Scripture?

The only answer is that they are not speaking in the pulpit by the Spirit.
A man does not have to understand all mysteries to be saved and called, but a called preacher will never speak his own words in the pulpit, yet the pulpits are filled with men who have never had a Word from the LORD in their lives, and so their congregations have never heard a word from the LORD through them, but rather ramblings of men's own philosophies.

 

[HisKid1973]

Wasn't measuring the temple "in the spirit" Anyway he was in Alcatraz on Patmos

 

[nephilimiyr]

Why? The fact of the OT is that there is to be a temple exactly as Ezekiel described it, which has not yet been built. -Your pastor has been seduced by men's writings and is not a man of the Word -and that is too sad.

Him being seduced by mens teachings is very possible but him being a man of the Word is not a question of mine. I know he is and if you knew him by all the other things he teaches and preaches you wouldn't be talking about him in that kind of way.

I have a question:
In the Word, a preacher called by God is to deliver God's word under His anointing, and will never, while "parsing the Word", under that anointing, contradict Scripture, so how is it that men can call themselves preachers and pastor Churches and contradict Scripture?

I know many pastors I have had both agreement with and disagreement with but who am I to say that they are not anointed because they don't agree with everything I agree with?

My pastor wasn't preaching this out of the pulpit. I have been a regular member of the church for 1 1/2 years now and he has never preached on eschatological theology. My view has always been that men of God, such as pastors, are called into a specific calling. My pastors calling is to teach and preach on grace and salvation, not eschatological theology. After tonight I can now say that I haven't meet a pastor or priest yet who I have agreed with 100% of everything they believe or say. I thought my current pastor was someone who I was in 100% agreement with but tonight I have found out differently. Again, this is a disappointment to me but am I going to run out of the church screaming that he isn't an anointed man of God all because of this? NO, God forbid it!

The only answer is that they are not speaking in the pulpit by the Spirit.
A man does not have to understand all mysteries to be saved and called, but a called preacher will never speak his own words in the pulpit, yet the pulpits are filled with men who have never had a Word from the LORD in their lives, and so their congregations have never heard a word from the LORD through them, but rather ramblings of men's own philosophies.

Again, this was a bible study group of a mear 8 people altogether. This is not about my pastor standing in the pulpit preaching to the whole congregation. My pastor said that he wouldn't preach this as he knows that whatever eschatological belief someone may have it can become a stumbling block for some.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Wasn't measuring the temple "in the spirit" Anyway he was in Alcatraz on Patmos

Good answer! Thank you HisKid! I only asked the question because when my pastor had mentioned this I know I wanted to speak up and say something but I didn't know what.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Eschatology is the study of endtimes and prophecy.

If you had to look the word up, what are you doing in the eschatology forum? That's odd but thanks for the advice anyhow!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually, I won't be attending most of these bible studies as my job requires me to work every other weekend so I will be missing next weeks study and every other Sunday afterward.

I do have a question. My pastor was saying that up till about 5 years ago he was a dispensationalist but he was studying this and reading books. One of the books he was reading talked about how the book of Revelation wasn't written in the 90's but most likely in the late 60's of the first century. One of the things that convinced him of that is found in Rev. chapter 11 where it talks about an angel telling John to measure the temple. Well, if this was the 90's John couldn't do so or would've thought it quite strange as the temple was destroyed in 70AD. So now I'm thinking this is quite strange and don't know why I have never asked myself this very question to myself before.

Any thoughts would be welcomed!

Hi. I have a thread devoted solely to the Court/Sanctuary in Revelation 11 if you are interested. I use mainly the books of Exodus and Leviticus for it right now. I also spent 2 months translating the whole book of Revelation. Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t4629874-what-about-the-court-in-revelation-112.html

Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the temple [#2411], and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple [#2411],

Reve 11:2 and, the Court/Palace [#833 Court of High Priest/Altar of Burnt Offerings?] the one without the Sanctuary[#3485],be you casting out!! [#1544 ek-bale] out-side,[exw #1854] and you should not be measuring, that it was given unto the nations/eqnesin <1484>

Matthew 26:3 Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the court/palace [#833] of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

 

[blessedpeace]

sorry i had no idea. ii just clicked the topic. i humbly apologise and never intended to offend....

 

[nephilimiyr]

Hi. I have a thread devoted solely to the Court/Sanctuary in Revelation 11 if you are interested. I use mainly the books of Exodus and Leviticus for it right now. I also spent 2 months translating the whole book of Revelation. Peace.

Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the temple [#2411], and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple [#2411],

Reve 11:2 and, the Court/Palace [Court of High Priest/Altar of Burnt Offerings?] the one without the Sanctuary[#3485],be you casting out!! [#1544 ekbale] out-side,[exw #1854] and you should not be measuring, that it was given unto the nations/eqnesin <1484>

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

I'm very interested at the moment in reading your thread on this, please provide the link or tell me where it is if you can, thanks.

 

[nephilimiyr]

sorry i had no idea. ii just clicked the topic. i humbly apologise and never intended to offend....

No need to apologize, you didn't offend. Again, thanks for the advise.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm very interested at the moment in reading your thread on this, please provide the link or tell me where it is if you can, thanks.

I just put in there. Sorry about that. It looks more like a change of "Priesthoods" to me and this form of the greek word "cast" is used in only 2 places in the NC, here and in Reve 11:2. It is also used in the word "Devil" also from the greek word for "cast".

Devil: dia-bolos (Strong's 1228) occurs 38 times in 36 verses:

Gala 4:30 but what saith the Writing? `Be you casting out! [#1544 ek-bale] the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;' [Genesis 21:10/Revelation 11:2 "court of the Priests]

 

[nephilimiyr]

I just put in there. Sorry about that.

That's a link to another website, I thought you had an open thread here in the forum.

You'd be surprised on how much I know about the Temple. Please check this thread out by going to this link.
http://www.christianforums.com/t2450494-moses-tabernacle-and-gods-plan-of-redemption.html

I wrote this well over a year ago. I took the photos down but I think you will find it very interesting.

 

[ContentInHim]

Actually, I won't be attending most of these bible studies as my job requires me to work every other weekend so I will be missing next weeks study and every other Sunday afterward.

I do have a question. My pastor was saying that up till about 5 years ago he was a dispensationalist but he was studying this and reading books. One of the books he was reading talked about how the book of Revelation wasn't written in the 90's but most likely in the late 60's of the first century. One of the things that convinced him of that is found in Rev. chapter 11 where it talks about an angel telling John to measure the temple. Well, if this was the 90's John couldn't do so or would've thought it quite strange as the temple was destroyed in 70AD. So now I'm thinking this is quite strange and don't know why I have never asked myself this very question to myself before.

Any thoughts would be welcomed!

I actually thought that John was measuring either the Temple in heaven (he was ordered to "come up here") or the Third Temple on earth (I believe that he could have actually seen the future).

 

[ContentInHim]

.... CF urped and made a dupe post!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I actually thought that John was measuring either the Temple in heaven (he was ordered to "come up here") or the Third Temple on earth (I believe that he could have actually seen the future).

That is possible.
One thing I noticed was the church of "Thyatira" uses the same form of the greek word as is used for "altar/incense".
It could be there are 2 sanctuaries, a heavenly one and earthly one as it appears there are 2 different types of "cities" also.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2450494-moses-tabernacle-and-gods-plan-of-redemption.html

and into THYATIRA/quateira 2363 "odour of affliction" 4th Assembly

Luke 1:8 It came to pass by in his acting as priest, in the order of his course before of the God/qeou <2316>,
9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot was to make perfume/qumiasai <2370>, having gone into the Sanctuary of the Lord/kuriou<2962> ,
10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without/outside [#1854 exw], at the hour of the perfume/qumiamatoV <2368>.
11 Appeared to him a messenger [of the] Lord/kuriou <2962> standing out of the right side of the Altar/qusiasthriou<2379> of the Perfume/qumiamatoV <2368>, 12 and Zacharias, having seen, was troubled, and fear fell on him;

Revelation 11:1 And there was given unto me a reed/ kalamoV, like unto a staff, saying-- Be Arousing!!!, and Measure!!!! the Sanctuary[#3485] of the God, and the Altar/qusiasthrion <2379>[Golden Altar of Incense], and Them who are doing homage therein;

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I actually thought that John was measuring either the Temple in heaven (he was ordered to "come up here") or the Third Temple on earth (I believe that he could have actually seen the future).

Perhaps there is both a heavenly and earthly sanctuary showing in Revelation.
The 4th of "Thyatira" also uses the greek word for "altar/incense". Interesting.
I added this to a study the OP has on the Camp/Tabernacle over at this link. Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2450494-moses-tabernacle-and-gods-plan-of-redemption.html
Luke 1:8 It came to pass by in his acting as priest, in the order of his course before of the God/qeou <2316>,
9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot was to make perfume/qumiasai <2370>, having gone into the Sanctuary of the Lord/kuriou<2962> ,
10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without/outside [#1854 exw], at the hour of the perfume/qumiamatoV <2368>.
11 Appeared to him a messenger [of the] Lord/kuriou <2962> standing out of the right side of the Altar/qusiasthriou<2379> of the Perfume/qumiamatoV <2368>, 12 and Zacharias, having seen, was troubled, and fear fell on him;

Revelation 11:1 And there was given unto me a reed/ kalamoV, like unto a staff, saying-- Be Arousing!!!, and Measure!!!! the Sanctuary[#3485] of the God, and the Altar/qusiasthrion <2379>[Golden Altar of Incense], and Them who are doing homage therein;