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That seems reasonable, I hadn't thought of that meaning. I suppose it makes sense as an added element where they take away more from what multiple gods did in the surrounding cultures and attribute it to the one true God.Hi Philis,
due to the function of overseeing the passing of time given to the luminary creature kings on day 4 it seems to me that it is more likely that day 1 is about the setting up of time, I think this is further supported by God calling the light day and the darkness night, what are your thoughts?
I will read this link though. (I picked it because it was the first one from your list.)
Does somebody here think that He made the earth in vain? Why did you post this verse?
That seems reasonable, I hadn't thought of that meaning. I suppose it makes sense as an added element where they take away more from what multiple gods did in the surrounding cultures and attribute it to the one true God.
That seems to be a bit better an explanation for the kingdom/kings framework.
....Then God makes a solid dome above the earth to keep out the waters above. There are waters above the dome, and waters below the dome.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Nowhere in the creation account does it say the earth was covered in thick clouds. You are adding that so that it fits your current cosmology while ignoring the cosmology it was written with. That's not reading it literally, that's concordism. You're changing the meaning to fit your assumptions.....
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What you need to do is read it literally. According to Strong's Concordance the firmament is a solid dome. .....
So you dismiss TE because of the apparent lack of purpose or teleology in evolution? This seems to miss that the Bible says that without God creation does appear to have no purpose (cf. Ecclesiastes)However, I can tell you that it is this very verse that caused me to rethink what I had been told and taught to believe in school about billions of years of some evolutionary universe that got us from nothing to here. I think that God is speaking clearly here that He created the earth to be inhabited. If you remember my explanation of God's purpose in creating this realm, well, this is where you find that purpose.
I'm not really sure why God creating over millions or billions of years is contradictory to God having purpose, could you further elaborate?God didn't create this realm of creation - the physical universe in which we live - over millions or billions of years. He had a fully thought out purpose for all that He created in this realm. This realm was created to support the life of flesh. Both of men and animals. This verse says so. If we can really comprehend the power, the wisdom and the glory of God, then we can surely see that He is a Creator God who can create vast universes with just the command of His words.
God needn't do anything at all but he did, God is all powerful, I don't think that God taking time to do something means he is any less powerful, instead it speaks to his patience, even in my walk with God one of the things I get reminded of on a constant basis is his patience.He isn't a God who needs to create some amorphous ball of gases that will become this star and then that star over there and then some other cluster of stars somewhere else that take billions or years to come together and congeal to be what we see today. No! Not at all! He is a God of such great and perfect wisdom and knowledge and power and glory that all He need do is merely think the design of the whole of this universe and within moments it is! That's the power and glory and majesty of the God who created all things both seen and unseen and that same powerful, mighty, majestic and holy God loves me. He loves you. How humbling is that thought? How so loved we have to feel that the God who merely speaks all things into existence loves you. He knows you! He has provided all that you need to live. He thought in the moments of the creation event to put an atmosphere on this one singular planet among the billions and billions of heavenly bodies that would contain oxygen so that every 3 seconds you could gulp in some air and live!!
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Isa 45:18 say: For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Hmmm. Denise Lamoureux? I nailed it didn't I?
What does that have to do with the Hebrew of Gen. 1:28?
It's Denis. He's male. At least, last I heard he was.
hi Philis,
I'm just adding in some commentary to another's post:
Isa 45:18 say: For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
However, I can tell you that it is this very verse that caused me to rethink what I had been told and taught to believe in school about billions of years of some evolutionary universe that got us from nothing to here. I think that God is speaking clearly here that He created the earth to be inhabited. If you remember my explanation of God's purpose in creating this realm, well, this is where you find that purpose.
God didn't create this realm of creation - the physical universe in which we live - over millions or billions of years. He had a fully thought out purpose for all that He created in this realm. This realm was created to support the life of flesh. Both of men and animals. This verse says so. If we can really comprehend the power, the wisdom and the glory of God, then we can surely see that He is a Creator God who can create vast universes with just the command of His words.
He isn't a God who needs to create some amorphous ball of gases that will become this star and then that star over there and then some other cluster of stars somewhere else that take billions or years to come together and congeal to be what we see today.
No, certainly I don't say that God's work in creating was in vain, but I assure you that the 'plan' is not finished yet.
READ my post #25.
Again, Ted, I just don't see the correlation here that makes a short time span necessary. You include animals among the living creatures that inhabit the earth. I expect then you also include all living creatures that are neither human nor animal as well: plants, fungi, protists, bacteria. They all inhabit the earth.
And they began inhabiting the earth almost as soon as livable conditions began to exist. The earth has been inhabited by some form of life for nearly 4 billion years.
So how does God's purpose of creating a world to be inhabited conflict with an ancient earth?
Just because he didn't need to take time is no evidence that he didn't. To me, God taking the time to generate the stars that needed time to generate the elements essential to the formation of living matter emphasizes concern and loving care. Isn't that just as important as power?
It tells me that God doesn't just make his creation and stand back, but that God lovingly nurtures his creation into becoming. To me that fits with God being our Heavenly Father. It's very parental.
So, why do you object to him taking as much time in the beginning as in the finishing?
Strong's H7549 is:And can you please cite your source for Srong's. I just looked it up and it says: raqia: an extended surface, expanse. And most bible translations translate the word, expanse.
Where did you find the solid dome definition? Just curious.
I don't know of any scholars who say we should avoid a literal reading. If anything we should strive to understand it better because by comparing it in it's ancient context and cosmology to the surrounding beliefs of the ANE world we will gain a much deeper understanding of the message. Does that approach sound bad to you?Many scholars have tried to make the argument that rayqia in the hebrew means solid dome, and therefore a literal reading of Genesis leads to solid dome cosmology and therefore must be avoided.
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