I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

[ToBeLoved]

I think I did answer it. Which part of my answer is unclear?

All of it.

You said the process of salvation.

HOw long does the process last?

Is there anything that can mess up the process?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I think I did answer it. Which part of my answer is unclear?

We'll see how the conversation goes. I was trying to guage when you think salvation occurs, how long if ever does it last and can one loose it.

Would have just been easier to answer, so if it get's too complicated, I asked you simply from the start.

I think most of us get sick of being asked or responding overf and over and over.

That's what answering questions fixes.

 

[Thursday]

All of it.

You said the process of salvation.

HOw long does the process last?

Is there anything that can mess up the process?

We must endure until the end. Yes, sin can destroy our faith.

Grace enables us to be saved, it doesn't force us to be saved.

 

[ToBeLoved]

We must endure until the end. Yes, sin can destroy our faith.

Grace enables us to be saved, it doesn't force us to be saved.

So if I was answering my own question, with your answers, this is what I see.

We get saved, but can loose our being saved if we dont keep doing stuff.

Sinning can destroy our faith so we no longer believe in GOd and stop doing stuff.

Grace doesn't matter unless you get saved and keep doing stuff and not sin and destroy your faith. Because with no faith, you stop doing stuff.

 

[Thursday]

So if I was answering my own question, with your answers, this is what I see.

We get saved, but can loose our being saved if we dont keep doing stuff.

Sinning can destroy our faith so we no longer believe in GOd and stop doing stuff.

Grace doesn't matter unless you get saved and keep doing stuff and not sin and destroy your faith. Because with no faith, you stop doing stuff.

Salvation is a process, not an event. It's not as if we "get saved". We are being saved. We decide to accept God's grace and pick up our cross and follow Jesus.

If we are lured away by sin and stop following Jesus until death, we will not be saved.

Grace gives us the ability to follow Jesus until the end.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Salvation is a process, not an event. It's not as if we "get saved". We are being saved. We decide to accept God's grace and pick up our cross and follow Jesus.

If we are lured away by sin and stop following Jesus until death, we will not be saved.

Grace gives us the ability to follow Jesus until the end.

That's not what Paul says in Romans 5 and 6

Paul outlines what happens at the time of salvation.

 

[Steeno7]

Salvation is a process, not an event. It's not as if we "get saved". We are being saved. We decide to accept God's grace and pick up our cross and follow Jesus.

If we are lured away by sin and stop following Jesus until death, we will not be saved.

Grace gives us the ability to follow Jesus until the end.

That's a very Roman Catholic view of salvation.

 

[Thursday]

That's not what Paul says in Romans 5 and 6

Paul outlines what happens at the time of salvation.

Paul is speaking in the present tense. Paul also warns us that sin can shipwreck our faith and that we must keep straining ahead to reach the goal.

Romans 11
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

 

[Thursday]

That's a very Roman Catholic view of salvation.

True. It is also very Christian and very biblical.

 

[Steeno7]

True. It is also very Christian and very biblical.

It's very Roman Catholic.

 

[Thursday]

It's very Roman Catholic.

Yes.

Romans 2 6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

1 Cor 6
8On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren. 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Ephesians 5:5
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a person is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any power, but only faith working through love.

 

[Steeno7]

Yes.

Romans 2 6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

1 Cor 6
8On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren. 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Ephesians 5:5
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a person is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any power, but only faith working through love.

Thanks, but as I told you before, I already have a bible.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul is speaking in the present tense. Paul also warns us that sin can shipwreck our faith and that we must keep straining ahead to reach the goal.

Romans 11
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

So you have no trouble saying that Paul said something that he did not?

I would like to see verses that support your point, because I think it is not Biblical.

 

[Thursday]

So you have no trouble saying that Paul said something that he did not?

I would like to see verses that support your point, because I think it is not Biblical.

I've provided many verses already.

What do you think it means that if we don't remain in God's kindness we will be cut off?

What do you think it means that "only those who endure will be saved?"

 

[Steeno7]

I've provided many verses already.

What do you think it means that if we don't remain in God's kindness we will be cut off?

What do you think it means that "only those who endure will be saved?"

You need to keep reading, it gets better.

 

[Thursday]

You need to keep reading, it gets better.

You just pick and choose versed that fit your personal dogma.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I've provided many verses already.

What do you think it means that if we don't remain in God's kindness we will be cut off?

What do you think it means that "only those who endure will be saved?"

If we do not remain in Christ spiritually than we slowly pull farther away unless we take action to become closer to Him again. God let's us direct the relationship in that we choose if and when we pray, worship, open His Word, dwell on heavenly things or if we choose sin, drunkeness, all things that take us a little away from fellowship. Keeping on a bad trejectory will contine pulling us deeper into carnal things which pulls us away from spiritual. We can cut ourselves off from God by the choices we make and if or how much fellowship we choose with Him.

I do not think this verse is about loosing salvation. I think it is about choosing sin and carnal things.

It's a dynamic relationship. Our carnal desires are so powerful that we need to stay in the spiritual things of God not to become carnal. That is the effect of sin. It meets our own carnal needs.

 

[Thursday]

If we do not remain in Christ spiritually than we slowly pull farther away unless we take action to become closer to Him again. God let's us direct the relationship in that we choose if and when we pray, worship, open His Word, dwell on heavenly things or if we choose sin, drunkeness, all things that take us a little away from fellowship. Keeping on a bad trejectory will contine pulling us deeper into carnal things which pulls us away from spiritual. We can cut ourselves off from God by the choices we make and if or how much fellowship we choose with Him.

I do not think this verse is about loosing salvation. I think it is about choosing sin and carnal things.

John 15

.6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.....
10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Phil 3
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Heb 3:14
For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

 

[Steeno7]

You just pick and choose versed that fit your personal dogma.

Ummmm, dude, it's you who are picking and choosing verses that fit your personal dogma. Project much?

 

[Thursday]

Ummmm, dude, it's you who are picking and choosing verses that fit your personal dogma. Project much?

I've provided multiple scripture passages and you haven't refuted a single one. You just respond with a man made dogma of your own choosing.

Jesus only started one Church.