JacobHall86
Calvin is 500 years old, Calvinism is eternal!
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Is it becauseyou know that the Sun is the center of the Universe, because thats what everything revolves around and want to hold onto a fleeting idea that maybe just maybe the joke of a congregation you belong to is totally full of crap and when one card in the house you built is removed the whole thing falls?
I never said "science is of the day-vil"
And I never said I knew everything about science, I can still learn, but from what I know now, Geocentrism is very possible, taking redshift findings into consideration.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0807tj.asp
Geocentrists don't reject gravity, try again.
why exactly do you think thats funny?
it's approximately accurate to say that the Sun is the center of the universe.
In case you feel singled out, rest assured that I am not referring solely to you.
Oh BTW, the creationist take on the redshift findings is bunk. "Less than one in a trillion" my foot. Someone just made up that number on the spot (as JacobHall accurately predicted would happen). Sorry, but the earth remains decidedly not the center of the universe. That the redshifts show earth to be the center of the universe is an obvious result of general relativity. If you took readings from Mars, they would show you that Mars is the center of the universe. Of course you would then have to then deal with Martian geocentric creationists, who would insist that Lord Ares created Mars to occupy a special place in the cosmos.
Whether or not you know it, if you believe in geocentrism (in any form, including so-called "geocentricity"), then you most certainly do reject gravity. Sorry Richard, but you just can't believe in geocentrism and gravity at the same time. Pick your poison...well, actually you should pick gravity, since only geocentrism is poison.
He may be referring to a result of general relativity I mentioned several weeks ago: that technically every point in the universe is the center of the universe. But don't worry, because I have no intention of laughing at you. On a local scale, the Solar System is a gravitationally bound system. So unless you're considering a larger scale structure like the entire Milky Way Galaxy, it's approximately accurate to say that the Sun is the center of the universe.
How does this work? I thought JacobHall was saying that the sun's gravitationnal pull was strong enough to pull the entire universe.
Btw, who else believes in Geocentricity other than me on all of CF?
I thought anything other than acentricity was considered pseudo science.
Also, you are trying to tell me that in any frame of reference, all of the other galaxies out there will look like they are moving away from us? Even if we were to look from another galaxy's point of view?
Answersingenesis certainly does not reject general relativity, they aren't even geocentrist, they are galactocentrists (If that's what you want to call it).
Btw, why is it that you say in order for me to accept gravity, I must discard geocentricity?
Because if geocentrism in any form were true, then the theory of gravity would be patently false. Your so-called geocentricity, for example, supposes that there are imaginary forces acting on every single star in the universe to make them deceptively move in just the right directions for us to believe that the earth orbits the Sun. It also supposes that these same imaginary forces act on all the planets to make them look like Newtonian gravity is true.
Let me put it in terms you can relate to. Believing in geocentrism and gravity is like believing that both Jesus and Mohammad are prophets of God.
But geocentrists have answers to all of this. If I'm not mistaken Newton believed in the Ptolemy model.
That's the problem: geocentrists have all the wrong answers. Their answers don't work, they are physically incorrect. Most of them are just blatent lies meant to keep their followers in line.
BTW you are mistaken; Newton did not believe in the Ptolemy model.
" The unifying and predictive power of his laws was integral to the scientific revolution, the advancement of heliocentrism, "
The scientific revolution hasn't accured yet, so this is why I ask.
Btw, there's something you need to know arun, either way I win this "debate".
If I can show that the earth is exclusively the center of the universe (which I haven't done), I win. But I don't have enough of an understanding of science just yet to be able to show this.
If I don't, then I will cling to the theory of general relativity and state that I believe the earth is in the center of the universe because any point in the universe can be used as the center.