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Arrogance is rarely intended. It's a by product of overconfidence and immaturity. Not suggesting that's you, Russ. Just clarifying. One question. Is there a difference between "turning gay" and children making wrong choices, to paraphrase you? Wouldn't they both be making a choice? Not that a person could simply make a choice to be gay, but it seems like you are saying the same thing. Unless you were talking about someone turning gay with no choice made on their own.Arrogance is not intended. There is a difference between thinking oneself superior and thinking oneself right.
Is there anything wrong in what I have said?
This popped up on my fb feed, I thought it was timely.
TrailLifeUSA.com
There is a write up on the Orthodoxnet.com blog about it.
I was in the GSA, all of my male cousins have been or are currently Scouts. All of them making Eagle scout by 14, BSA is big with us. My husband and I will not be putting our sons thru the program. I remember being taught as a Junior (4th grade) about masturbation and all kinds of bodily changes. More recent "lessons" talk about how "some girls enjoy" using drugs when they "explore" it's all green lighted in the name of "exploration" and "liberation." Check out the back of the manual and notice that Planned Parenthood is a sponsor. I'm sure had I shown my mother the pamphlet she would have yanked me quickly. I ended up dropping out because of a terrible leader/overbearing mother of a girl in the troop. Regardless of what your position, it is NOT the GSA or BSA's place to instruct kids about this stuff. Especially w/o parental notification. At least in Public school 5th grade sex-ed they were given the option of having us sit out. I grew up in small town Texas it was and is by no means a bastion of liberality.
I'm sad our boys won't be a part of something that our family has been involved in for so long. I think we'll find a copy of the 1911 BSA manual and call it good. Have the boys work through that with my husband and other male members of our family.
Arrogance is rarely intended. It's a by product of overconfidence and immaturity. Not suggesting that's you, Russ. Just clarifying. One question. Is there a difference between "turning gay" and children making wrong choices, to paraphrase you? Wouldn't they both be making a choice? Not that a person could simply make a choice to be gay, but it seems like you are saying the same thing. Unless you were talking about someone turning gay with no choice made on their own.
Seems to me that none of this is based in reality. Either someone has the tendency or not.
We all experience things. How we react to them can affect our later experiences of those same things. The first time a person smokes they may cough and feel disgusted. Yet many go back for a second try. And when they do, they find the second time doesn't seem so bad. I believe there is such a thing as an acquired taste.
But this seems entirely irrelevant to everything I have said. I have said there is a danger, not so much of "turning kids gay" as of simply stripping them of their innocence and inuring them to all of these topics, to see them as normal and acceptable, as no social threat. I think fornication a social threat and stand against it, as well as adultery, and similarly think our children ought to be protected from the social atmosphere that appoves of them. Some call this "bubbles", disapprovingly. I say that undersea divers wear bubbles to enable them to function and survive in an alien atmosphere, and that bubbles are, in their proper use, good things.
yeah, this might be steps toward the acceptence of the LGBTQA community, but if you live in an area like gurney, Tea Party Capital of the World, then even IF they insist on acceptence of the homosexual lifestyle, but there are no homosexual push in that area, then I don't see how it would negatively affect the child, because 1) we are not there yet, and 2) that kinda place is already as a whole culturally against the LGBTQA stuff.
yeah, this might be steps toward the acceptence of the LGBTQA community, but if you live in an area like gurney, Tea Party Capital of the World, then even IF they insist on acceptence of the homosexual lifestyle, but there are no homosexual push in that area, then I don't see how it would negatively affect the child, because 1) we are not there yet, and 2) that kinda place is already as a whole culturally against the LGBTQA stuff.
We all experience things. How we react to them can affect our later experiences of those same things. The first time a person smokes they may cough and feel disgusted. Yet many go back for a second try. And when they do, they find the second time doesn't seem so bad. I believe there is such a thing as an acquired taste.
But this seems entirely irrelevant to everything I have said. I have said there is a danger, not so much of "turning kids gay" as of simply stripping them of their innocence and inuring them to all of these topics, to see them as normal and acceptable, as no social threat. I think fornication a social threat and stand against it, as well as adultery, and similarly think our children ought to be protected from the social atmosphere that appoves of them. Some call this "bubbles", disapprovingly. I say that undersea divers wear bubbles to enable them to function and survive in an alien atmosphere, and that bubbles are, in their proper use, good things.
Fair enough. But any one of one thousand things in our world strip kids of their innocence. Now it's the cub scouts? (I'm not arguing with you here, by the way. Just putting this in a perspective for my own edification)
In the coming years more and more of our social institutions will become accepting of the gay lifestyle. If we don't learn how to live with it and guide our children through ALL of these things that can TRULY harm them, like drugs, violence, hunger war, etc, the Christian communities will be like they once were, tiny and marginalized.
I'm not afraid of a cub scout.
ALL of these things can harm our kids. The whole thing is you think the issue harmless, and that's what it really comes down to.
Well, if you are edifying yourself, I guess you don't need me.
ALL of these things can harm our kids. The whole thing is you think the issue harmless, and that's what it really comes down to.
Well, if you are edifying yourself, I guess you don't need me.
Of course I need you rus! How else will I know what I think? ;-)
PS- You are dead wrong. I don't think the issue is harmless, but I do think it is extremely complex and cannot be resolved or summed up with one fell swoop of a righteous sword.
I don't think anyone here said it is harmless. there are many threads on the zeitgeist and the downward spiral that we are in. I just don't think that you can put a blanket statement down for a fix. often it is much more complicated than that.
and gurney, Q=Queer and A=Allies
Thanks, Gurney.
I would not say that I "use Chesterton as a system"; I think the prism is one that gives a much clearer vision of truth in general. I know, because I had a life as both an unbeliever and as a believer without him. (I converted at 38, discovered GKC at 40). But even then, everything has to pass muster with the teachings of the Orthodox Church.
For the rest, not a lot I would argue with. I think the trends I see WILL spread into the most conservative parts of the US that you can paint for me; over time, the unthinkable becomes thinkable, especially when evil will is bent - both demonic and human - to make it so. So in the short term (the next five, maybe ten years) y'all are mostly right and maybe you don't need to worry so much. In the longer haul - fifteen to twenty years, for that is the line I see here, I believe that what I see will come to pass, barring a miracle, and there will be no conservative bastion that will not be overpowered, mostly from within - except the Church.
I think that what will be required is what was required in Russia, but on an even larger scale - the blood of martyrs, lots of them. I think it entirely reasonable to predict that our views will be largely illegal in five-seven years; that in ten years persecution will begin in earnest.
I want it to be LGBTBKR
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Borg, Klingons, Romulans
They all need our 'tolerance!'
Unfortunately, that individual you quoted noted themselves to be Radical Muslim/operating a false flag operation after getting caught - as seen in Rasul from ShiaChat. Some of it seemed apparent due to the tendency to give out curses quickly toward whatever they didn't like - but it was thankfully exposed.now there is an interesting idea
I want it to be LGBTBKR
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Borg, Klingons, Romulans
They all need our 'tolerance!'
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