I need some advice

[gurneyhalleck1]

Yeah, sure. This coming from the guy with Justin Beiber posters in his room!

I can't find beauty in a man. I find them repugnant and unappealing.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Yeah, sure. This coming from the guy with Justin Beiber posters in his room!

thought you would catch the Seinfeld quote, you are slipping gurney....

and for the record, I have Viggo Mortenson's autograph LOTR picture (swoon)

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I know, dude, I know....the massage episode, right?

thought you would catch the Seinfeld quote, you are slipping gurney....

and for the record, I have Viggo Mortenson's autograph LOTR picture (swoon)

 

[ArmyMatt]

I know, dude, I know....the massage episode, right?

nope, the one where George pees in the shower

 

[inconsequential]

Bravo, sir. Well done indeed. Tell him to be a US Marshall instead. All bad guys all the time.

He is a natural leader and a real go-getter, so I want him to learn how while he's young. I can lead but my aspergers makes leadership onerous so I've always shied away from it. I'm not the best qualified to teach it.

 

[seashale76]

Didn't read past the first page. The possibility of it ever being an issue is likely slim. My nephew is in the Boy Scouts and my BIL is a troop leader. It's not an issue that they have personally ever encountered.

 

[rusmeister]

Didn't read past the first page. The possibility of it ever being an issue is likely slim. My nephew is in the Boy Scouts and my BIL is a troop leader. It's not an issue that they have personally ever encountered.

"Ever" is a very big word, Seashale.
I believe you that a lot of people have not hitherto encountered it. A lot of people in Poland before 1940 might never have encountered a Nazi, either.

 

[seashale76]

"Ever" is a very big word, Seashale.
I believe you that a lot of people have not hitherto encountered it. A lot of people in Poland before 1940 might never have encountered a Nazi, either.

Considering homosexuals are a very small percentage of the population and usually aren't tolerated among the majority- regardless of whether they're in the Boy Scouts or not? The most involved troops across the country come from areas where they'd just as soon beat up homosexuals as to look at them- and that's the truth.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Running into gays in the Cub Scouts compared to running into Hitler back in the day...Rus, ate you over-medicating!!?

"Ever" is a very big word, Seashale.
I believe you that a lot of people have not hitherto encountered it. A lot of people in Poland before 1940 might never have encountered a Nazi, either.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I know, dude, I know....the massage episode, right?

correction, it was the one where Kramer had the special shoes and met Mel Torme

 

[Cappadocious]

The problem that Orthodox Christians should have with the traditional boyscouts is that they were modified to allow gays to participate?

I mean, that's what you're going to disapprove of?

 

[rusmeister]

The problem that Orthodox Christians should have with the traditional boyscouts is that they were modified to allow gays to participate?

I mean, that's what you're going to disapprove of?

You mean "modified to approve of sodomic desires and attitudes?" Of course. The entire Church disapproves of them. No one in the Church may approve of them and remain in the Church.

As soon as you speak of "gays" as a class, you have fallen into the trap. I see no "gays". I see people who suffer from same-sex attraction, fail to see it as suffering but rather as something to be approved of. Not pitied, but endorsed and supported as a good thing.

 

[rusmeister]

Running into gays in the Cub Scouts compared to running into Hitler back in the day...Rus, ate you over-medicating!!?

No, Gurney. I am saying that before 1940, Nazis in Poland were not a common sight. After 1940, they ruled the country. Many really did not foresee this, a lot of people thought appeasement and compromise would work.
By THAT, I am saying that an unthinkable thing can become, not only thinkable, but the actual fact of the matter. Clear enough?

 

[rusmeister]

Considering homosexuals are a very small percentage of the population and usually aren't tolerated among the majority- regardless of whether they're in the Boy Scouts or not? The most involved troops across the country come from areas where they'd just as soon beat up homosexuals as to look at them- and that's the truth.

A very temporary truth, Seashale, that can be changed in little over a decade, with solid enough control of the media and public education, which they already have. 12 grades ought to about do it at this point.

Before the Civil War, guys, there were no such mechanisms. Now they have caused a majority of the citizenry to believe the polar opposite of what their grandparents believed.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I understand your illustration but it seems a very poor one. The Nazis were not a common site because they were the German national socialist party. After the Germans went into Poland and conquered it, they were all over the place and extended their dominion. In 1939 both the Germans and Soviets invaded it. They took the country by force, not some slow and steady infiltration of Poland as they did using Nazi youth corps in Germany itself plus steady propaganda. So in Poland we see a use of force and suddenly, bam, you're a Nazi state.

In the case of the Cub Scouts, you have the possibility of gays entering the scene. And are you likening the idea of "right now we don't have hardly any gay scout leaders and few gay kids in it, but before you know, bam, it's 2022 AD and the whole Cub Scouts is nothing but SSA-attraction folks?

I'm just saying, it's an odd analogy. Not your usual style, that's all.

No, Gurney. I am saying that before 1940, Nazis in Poland were not a common site. After 1940, they ruled the country. Many really did not foresee this, a lot of people thought appeasement and compromise would work.
By THAT, I am saying that an unthinkable thing can become, not only thinkable, but the actual fact of the matter. Clear enough?

 

[rusmeister]

I understand your illustration but it seems a very poor one. The Nazis were not a common site because they were the German national socialist party. After the Germans went into Poland and conquered it, they were all over the place and extended their dominion. In 1939 both the Germans and Soviets invaded it. They took the country by force, not some slow and steady infiltration of Poland as they did using Nazi youth corps in Germany itself plus steady propaganda. So in Poland we see a use of force and suddenly, bam, you're a Nazi state.

In the case of the Cub Scouts, you have the possibility of gays entering the scene. And are you likening the idea of "right now we don't have hardly any gay scout leaders and few gay kids in it, but before you know, bam, it's 2022 AD and the whole Cub Scouts is nothing but SSA-attraction folks?

I'm just saying, it's an odd analogy. Not your usual style, that's all.

You can pick at the analogy if you want. Just don't miss the point in doing so.

Never said "nothing but SSA...". I said it only takes one to bring the issue up, one kid who's been taught by stupid parents that he might not actually be a boy, or she might not actually be a girl. And THAT will soon be seen in MANY, if not most organizations, on regional and local levels. Once one is there, discrimination, lawsuits, and the law will be on their side against us.

 

[Cappadocious]

You mean "modified to approve of sodomic desires and attitudes?"

How are they approving of "sodomic desires and attitudes" by letting gays join?

The Orthodox Church allows gays to be members, so by that logic we are approving "sodomic desires and attitudes".

It's absurd.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I learned picking apart bad analogies from the best...Rusmeister!

You can pick at the analogy if you want. Just don't miss the point in doing so.

Never said "nothing but SSA...". I said it only takes one to bring the issue up, one kid who's been taught by stupid parents that he might not actually be a boy, or she might not actually be a girl. And THAT will soon be seen in MANY, if not most organizations, on regional and local levels. Once one is there, discrimination, lawsuits, and the law will be on their side against us.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I think Rus walked into a pub or something in Moscow and saw a punk band called "Sodomic Desires" and stole the whole name....that's my theory

 

[rusmeister]

How are they approving of "sodomic desires and attitudes" by letting gays join?

The Orthodox Church allows gays to be members, so by that logic we are approving "sodomic desires and attitudes".

It's absurd.

Hey, Capp, not trying to get acidic here.
The Church welcomes all, but homosexuals who would join the Church MUST take up a struggle against their passion, just like the alcoholic, guy who can't control his anger or anybody else.
The enormous difference with what the world means by welcoming and accepting is that the world - including this movement in the Boy Scouts - wants us to AFFIRM their passion and treat it as a normal and fine thing. I'm even having deja vu about having said this to you before. Surely you understand this difference??