I make all things new - Yeshua/Jesus born on the Newest New

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where there is too much explanation, from some outside source,
don't trust.

 

[Steve Petersen]

There is the Aggadta of Shimon Kepha, a medieval Jewish work, in which Jewish leaders ask Peter to move the celebration of Jesus birth from Sukkot to December.

It is at about about 30:40 on this audio:

http://genizah.bethimmanuel.org/audio/content/birth-yeshua-sukkot

 

[AbbaLove]

Many believe Yeshua fulfilled the Spring feasts but they only mention:

1. Passover
   
2. Feast of unleavened bread
   
3. First fruits

Some will add in Shavuot, which is actually in Summer, and then
say that there are 3 left to fulfill of the Seven feasts of the L-RD

On the 6th day of the Hebrew month of Sivan the Spring Feast of Shavuot occurs between May 15 – June 14. The summer solstice begins between June 20 to June 22.

"Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." (Matthew 1:23). Mashiach Yeshua already tabernacles with those having the indwelling presence of His Spirit ... "And if the Spirit of the One who raised Yeshua from the dead is living in you, then the One who raised the Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit living in you." (Romans 8:11)​

If Yeshua was born during Yom Ha Teruah (Feast of Trumpets-Shofars), also called the Head of the Year (Sept 29, 2019) then that Feast will be fully realized with the last Great Trump ....

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. (1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)​

For those born again Believers in Mashiach Yeshua's His shed blood has made atonement for our sins. In a manner of speaking the Fall Feast of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) has already been realized as also has the Feast of Tabernacles. The Spirit of Mashiach Yeshua is living (tabernacles) in the earthly body like tent of those that are His.

 

[pinacled]

They would of course fit in like glove, if you are picking your texts to suit your argument. I can do the same and prove that Yeshus is not the Messiah!

No one knows for sure when he was born - some, including me, believe it makes sense that he was born at the time of the Feast of Tabernacles, probably on Simchat Torah. Others believe he was born at other times, but what is clear, is that none of us believe Christmas was his birthday!

True,
And i imagine an inumerable amount of people have leaned on the Lord concerning the winter, and summer house.

Meditated on this one for quite some time..
There is something that caught my ears recenty.
Something given to yecheskel(ezekiel)
There is a distinction between the children of yisrayl and the house of yisrayl.

And as even the children should know the Lord's voice.
They should remember what Yeshua said about our Fathers House.
There is much to think about when it comes to the birth a son.
When I observe the High Holy day in the latter part of the yr.{sukkos}{head of yr}
I am reminded that the eight day is likened to a circumcision of the flesh in accordance to such providence our Lord so Graciosly provisioned as a covenant to Avraham. Something that sets the children of the house apart from those who are strangers.
Yet,
Something strikes me as Wonderful when observing the new yr high Holy Day {pesach}.
I may be hearing and seeing more than what can be found in the letters of torah, but it seems if somehow a person is circumcised before they've been born.
And after such a Wonderful occurance there is a ten day celebration unlike anything spoken of until Shavout.

but what do I know.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

True,
And i imagine an inumerable amount of people have leaned on the Lord concerning the winter, and summer house.

Meditated on this one for quite some time..
There is something that caught my ears recenty.
Something given to yecheskel(ezekiel)
There is a distinction between the children of yisrayl and the house of yisrayl.

And as even the children should know the Lord's voice.
They should remember what Yeshua said about our Fathers House.
There is much to think about when it comes to the birth a son.
When I observe the High Holy day in the latter part of the yr.{sukkos}{head of yr}
I am reminded that the eight day is likened to a circumcision of the flesh in accordance to such providence our Lord so Graciosly provisioned as a covenant to Avraham. Something that sets the children of the house apart from those who are strangers.
Yet,
Something strikes me as Wonderful when observing the new yr high Holy Day {pesach}.
I may be hearing and seeing more than what can be found in the letters of torah, but it seems if somehow a person is circumcised before they've been born.
And after such a Wonderful occurance there is a ten day celebration unlike anything spoken of until Shavout.

but what do I know.

Blessings Always

forgive me for not feeding others.
I've been somewhat occupied with other matters the Lord called me to attend to.
Alaways remember that first step of faith. And if you felt like giggling, it's fine to do so when you realize How powerful the Love of the Lord is. Think of the Moon and the many waters and renew yourself if the Living Watera of the voice to hear?
After you take that second step of humillity, all doubt is destroyed..

Remember this as you mature.
there are two ways to bare fruit in
9 blessings of reason.
And likewise fruit until they produce seed..is like a witness,"where two or three are gathered,"..? If a persons first, second, and third season yeilds fruit and is kept secure it will become a wisely sought reward to plant in a feild. The first soil is good when the cup is cleansed on the inside.
But what to do with the outside?

It is no mystery when you warm the hearts of others right.?

then comes a time to plow a feild in winter.
this is a special time when the oil of your Lamp proves true with the second measure of fruits.
Yeshua taught cefa (peter) this level of Love..
And ole sh,aul, was greatful to recieve the Charity of Fire like no Other.
Yes,
Paul and Peter where quite the pair.
Don't you think?

9 blessed fruits
7 blessed to increase.

This is no mystery anymore than the First fruit..as far as i can see.

hmmmm.
And remember also that the Lord Always sends his Children in pairs.
Like the Doves who give Good news.

Blessings Always.

 

[pinacled]

pinacled,
a graphic novel soon to come..@.pinacled.@

Who has ever looked at the night sky to see the number of stars changing throughout the year and always reciprocating an honorable course.
have they yet to watch the moon and it's lesser light.
how the shadow of turning moves like the waves of water from right to left. I Hope a son or daughter has considered such a beauty. Everyone should observed how the moon goes from east to west in a way that each day it is in a new place. Seating a course to give wonder of how it seems to move both forward and backwards in time.
Like how ripple or wave of water always moves left to right. No matter if a person faces east or west. If there is a mystery to be heard. Or wonders to be seen in the Day when the sun and moon dance together. Perhaps those whose hearts are pure will be courageous in counting the space of time given when the two lights are seperate.
fathers' ,mother's , sons, daughters..
A fifth generation is hidden for good reason. And there are few that find such a treasure of song.

Blessings Always.

 

[Lulav]

Where there is too much explanation, from some outside source,
don't trust.

Please explain what you mean by that.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No one knows on which day Christ was born. The choice made by the Christian church is, therefore, arbitrary. So would the choice of any other day (in spring, summer, or autumn, for example) be arbitrary.

If that is the way it is, wouldn't the choice of the day that was popularly believed, in antiquity, to be the right date thanks to the assumption that Christ was killed on the anniversary of his conception, be as good as any other?

there is much better evidence than choosing an arbitrary date, especially one that uses the birth or conception date/death date scenario.

 

[Albion]

there is much better evidence than choosing an arbitrary date, especially one that uses the birth or conception date/death date scenario.

By "arbitrary," I did not mean to say completely at random as though any one of the 365 days on the calendar would be equally likely. But as for a specific date, not even the kind of approach you have in mind would pin that down.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

By "arbitrary," I did not mean to say completely at random as though any one of the 365 days on the calendar would be equally likely. But as for a specific date, not even the kind of approach you have in mind would pin that down.

actually there are specific dates

 

[Albion]

Spell out your theory for us, then.

 

[pinacled]

ah,
time.
duh,
as if hope or faith or a word could be measured.
what is a measuring reed?
I've given many yrs of thought about this.
yet I seen to always find that no one else has found my similar joy.

if only...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Spell out your theory for us, then.

Shavua Tov! There are actually 5 times of the year that are possibilities, depending on when Yohanan's father was serving in the Temple in the courses of Abiyah. He would have served twice within his course as well as in the 3 pilgrimage feasts. From those time periods you can calculate when Yeshua could have been born. From traditions as well as hints from Scripture, you can figure out the exact time period...

 

[AbbaLove]

Where there is too much explanation, from some outside source, don't trust.

All Jewish men in Israel according to the Law given by G-d to Moshe were to be in Jerusalem (Deuteronomy 16:6, 11, 16) during the Feast of Passover/Unleavened Bread (also Feast of Tabernacles). However, Luke tells us that during the time just before Yeshua’s birth “everyone went to his own city” (Luke 2:3). Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem (not Jerusalem) at the time of His birth. This would seem to disqualify both Passover/Unleavened Bread (and Tabernacles) as the time of Yeshua's birth.

Also Revelation 12:1-6, has been discussed in detail by Lulav with her detailed Thread that also lends some credence to Yeshua's birth occurring during the Feast of Trumpets (Tishrei 1, Head of the Year) ...

"The crescent Moon is at her feet (again to the left of her left lower leg) heralding this day as the Jewish ‘Feast of Trumpets’ (or New Moon of Tishri)."

"The answer: it occurs only this one time, at no other time is the Virgin clothed with the sun with the moon at her feet while she is wearing a crown of twelve stars at the same time she gives birth." (Rev. 12:1-6)​

The above quotes are from Lulav's informative Thread (post #1) ... https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-will-happen-sept-23rd.8027915/#post-71778687
Although Lulav's thread relates primarily to HaMashiach's imminent return it also supports the belief by many that Yeshua/Emmanuel was more likely born during the Feast of Trumpets.

​

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yet this does not authenticate it, and other, apparently better, (to me), sources say otherwise.

it also supports the belief by many that Yeshua/Emmanuel was more likely born during the Feast of Trumpets.

 

[AbbaLove]

Jesus would have been conceived in John's sixth gestational month by the Holy Spirit, [Luke 1:26] which would have been December....so Jesus would have been born around the middle of September.

Yom Ha Teruah (The Feast Of Trumpets) can fall between September 5th and as late as October 5th on the Gregorian calendar. Tradition has it that The Feast Of Trumpets was also a time for the coronation of kings. A fundamental theme of Rosh Hashanah is the coronation of G‑d as King over us ... (https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4412/jewish/The-Coronation.htm). Another interesting tradition of the Talmud (Rosh Hashanah 10b-11a) is that “The Patriarchs Abraham and Jacob were born on Rosh Hashanah." Another Jewish tradition is that Isaac, Joseph, and Samuel – were also born on Rosh Hashanah, the Day of Trumpets.

This event would have probably taken place about the time of the last Hebrew Holiday of Sukkot,(Feast of Tabernacles).

Since every Jewish male was expected to travel to Jerusalem for three of the annual feasts it doesn't make much sense that a census would be required for Jewish men/families to travel away from Jerusalem to their birth place during Sukkot (aka—The Feast Of Ingathering).

And yet there were many men/families that did travel to Jerusalem for Rosh Hashanah (The Feast Of Trumpets) that may explain why there was no room at the Inn in Bethlehem, a journey of only 6 miles from Jerusalem. All i'm suggesting is that Rosh Hashanah is a more likely candidate than The Feast Of Ingathering. The Son of G-d already tabernacles with those of His that have the indwelling abiding presence of His Spirit as their Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Counselor—Intercessor, Strengthener) and Healer.

“I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20
“That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith.”—Ephesians 3:17
"Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us."—1 John 3:24
"By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit."—1 John 4:13​

 

[pinacled]

​

Yom Ha Teruah (The Feast Of Trumpets) can fall between September 5th and as late as October 5th on the Gregorian calendar. Tradition has it that The Feast Of Trumpets was also a time for the coronation of kings. A fundamental theme of Rosh Hashanah is the coronation of G‑d as King over us ... (https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4412/jewish/The-Coronation.htm). Another interesting tradition of the Talmud (Rosh Hashanah 10b-11a) is that “The Patriarchs Abraham and Jacob were born on Rosh Hashanah." Another Jewish tradition is that Isaac, Joseph, and Samuel – were also born on Rosh Hashanah, the Day of Trumpets.

​

Since every Jewish male was expected to travel to Jerusalem for three of the annual feasts it doesn't make much sense that a census would be required for Jewish men/families to travel away from Jerusalem to their birth place during Sukkot (aka—The Feast Of Ingathering).

And yet there were many men/families that did travel to Jerusalem for Rosh Hashanah (The Feast Of Trumpets) that may explain why there was no room at the Inn in Bethlehem, a journey of only 6 miles from Jerusalem. All i'm suggesting is that Rosh Hashanah is a more likely candidate than The Feast Of Ingathering. The Son of G-d already tabernacles with those of His that have the indwelling abiding presence of His Spirit as their Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Counselor—Intercessor, Strengthener) and Healer.

“I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20
“That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith.”—Ephesians 3:17
"Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us."—1 John 3:24
"By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit."—1 John 4:13​

How do you reconcile the 7 days of tumah?
John 12
Six days before the Passover,

 

[Hoshiyya]

I was taught he was spiritually conceived at Chanukkah and born on Sukkot.

"This explains why there was no room at the inn for Joseph and Mary. A multitude of Jewish pilgrims from all over the Middle East had come to Jerusalem to observe the Feast of Tabernacles. Bethlehem, which was only a few miles outside of Jerusalem, was also overflowing with visitors at this time because of the Feast."

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Jesus-Birthday

 

[visionary]

Tis the season to celebrate the Lord's birth.

 

[Humble Penny]

Many believe that we can't know when Yeshua was born because it doesn't say in the bible.
However it also doesn't say he was born on December 25th either. Which with common sense one would know that couldn't happen as the Hebrew calendar is different and therefore couldn't be the same day every year. Makes it convenient for retailers and workers to get the same day off but it's just not feasible.

However there are some hints to be found, not just in the New Testament but also in the so called 'old'.


Let's start with Luke's announcement, he sets the scene, we hear of a census which brought both Joseph and Mary to their place of birth, Bethlehem.
Bethlehem is just outside Jerusalem, approx 4-5 miles away.

Luke 2 tells us that there were shepherds in the fields, watching over their flocks by night.
this tells us a few things,
1. The sheep were 'out in the fields'
2. They were 'watching' them, even over night.

This gives us two big clues at what time of year this was. Since they were just outside Jerusalem, and the Temple, it has been surmised that these weren't just any sheep, but were the sheep raised for sacrifices in the Temple.

They were out in the fields which means that the temperatures had to be mild.

It was Spring -- this is the 'lambing time' and they were being watched because when a sheep is getting ready to 'lamb' the few days leading up to it they will start to behave differently and the shepherd then knows their time is close at hand.

Lambs are born in the Spring, I'm sure you all have seen them along with the Bunnies and eggs at 'easter time', that is because they are considered a harbinger of spring.

In the Talmud it is recorded that the shepherds would only be out in the fields from March until the next rainy season, in autumn.

Ex 12:3 on the tenth day of this month, each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household........... Must be a year old male.

In order for the Passover lambs to be one year old on the 10th of Nissan they had to have been born the previous year at the same time.

The Passover lambs are born in the Spring and Die in the Spring, in Nisan.

The first Hebrew Holy Day given to Israel is what is called 'Palm Sunday' in Christian churches.
This day was the day he rode in on the donkey.
This day was the day the people lined the roads and waved the Lulav ( ) at him.
This day was Exodus 12:3.
This day it was the 10th of Nissan.

This lamb was to be selected and brought in to the house, Yeshua rode in to Jerusalem and went to the House of G-d. That is when he 'cleaned his house'.

So most agree that Yeshua fulfilled Passover, First Fruits but many don't know that 'Palm Sunday' is the Jewish Holiday of the 10th of Nissan when the lambs were selected.
Keeping with the fulfillment of choosing the lamb, killing the lamb and the first fruits there is another Holy Day that would fulfill the birth, new beginning, Yeshua who said "Behold I am making all things NEW'.

On the first day of the first month of the year, the day called the 1st of Nissan, begins the year from G-d's calculations. On this day it is the day of the 'new moon'. This occurs once a month but there is only one time it is at the beginning of the year and that is Nissan 1.

What would be a better time for Yeshua to have been born?

Joseph, keeping Torah would have been able to be in Bethlehem at this time as although a holy day it is not one of the Pilgrimage days.

This beginning of the New Year takes us from one year to another, the calendar changes.

And what happened when Yeshua was born? The earth got a new calendar and still today in non secular places it is referred to as BC and AD, standing for (BC) Before Christ and (AD) After Death. Some use BCE as before common era and CE as Common era but the event of Yeshua's birth still changed the way we refer to history, either before he came or after.

And there's more.............
Hebrew calendar is based on the moon.

The beginning of the month is the New Moon, 14-15 days later the moon is at it's fullness. Yeshua born on the new moon and died on the full moon (fullness also meaning the fullfillment of it).

The Stars---The Magi --Zoroastrianism -- Isaiah 60:1-6 Prophecy

Arise, Shine for you light has come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon you!... Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn........A multitude of camels will cover your land and they will bring gold and frankincense and will bear good news of the praises of the L-RD.​

Matthew tells us that that after Yeshua was born in Bethlehem in Judea the Magi from the east came to Jerusalem looking for him, the one born, 'King of the Jews'.

How would they know about this? Matthew tells us that they were from the east. Now East of Jerusalem is Babylon where the captivity took place. Where there were those that served the King (Nebuchadnezzar) as prophets and seers. Daniel was put in the high position over all 'wisemen' (Daniel 2:48)
These prophecies they must have shared with the Babylonian wisemen and/or their scrolls were copied and studied by these men after many had returned to Jerusalem years later. There were of course many Jews still living in Babylon at the time, many had decided to stay in that land instead of returning in Ezra's day.

They saw his star and followed it, it took them almost two years to get there and go to Jerusalem and then from there find out where he was. Meanwhile Herod orders all boys two and under to be slain. Thankfully they were warned and had moved to Egypt to stay with some of the Jewish community there. They returned when Herod died which was in 4bc, so Yeshua most likely was born in 6bc.

So what was that star? Around 6bc there was a conjunction of Jupiter (King Star), Saturn, Venus, Mars.... Ptolemy recorded that the Land of Judea (Israel) and it's surrounding regions were linked to the Constellation of Aries, the RAM. This conjunction was in Aries constellation. This conjunction happens only every 6,000 years.

This happened in the Spring of 6 bc (Nissan)

Luke 1 in the days of Herod a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah (Father - Yah) he was chosen by lot to burn the incense. This was only allowed once per a priests lifetime of service.

Abijah was one of the 12 courses that King David has ordered to serve in the temple. (See I Chronicles 24 to learn more about the courses of the priests (Priests were descendants of Aaron). You will find that Abijah was the 8th course.

I've worked on trying to pinpoint when the courses started as that is the only way to determine when this 8th course was happening. The answer is found in the DDS (Dead Sea Scrolls). It wasn't a yearly calendar though, it went for years so date had to be found in order to line things up.

Sounding like something out of Hollywood and the Indian Jones saga here is what was used to determine the date.

....To display itself from the east, and shine in the centre of the sky, at the base of the vault, from evening to morning, on the fourth of the week of the sons of Gamul, in the first month of the year. (Gamul is one of the courses, and it is saying that the calendar begins on a Wednesday on the Spring Equinox.

Confirming this is in the Talmud, Temple destroyed on a Sunday in 70AD, and the course that was serving was given.

It was then calculated that when comparing what was in the Talmud with what was in the DDS Yeshua was more than likely born on March 20, 6 bc which was Nissan 1


Found in the Vatican Library a writing by Hippolitus (early church father) he is the one who suggested the date of December 25th but in this writing you can see what he originally wrote was crossed out and the date of December 25th was written in.

The date that was redacted? says that the Messiah was born in the month of Nissan.


Now to tie it all together. When we look at the Torah we see many things that point to Messiah. There's Abraham and Isaac, Joseph, Moses and more, but what symbolizes him the best?

John gives us a very visual hint.

"The word became flesh and 'tabernacled' among us"

This has caused many to believe that Yeshua was born in the Fall, during Sukkot, the week of dwelling in tents, but not so, the Main Tent was the Tent of Meeting, aka The Tabernacle.

This was G-ds House or dwelling place in the wilderness amoung his people.

Ex 40:17

So the tabernacle was set up on the first day of the first month in the second year.


In the third month they came to the mountain and G-d gave his Torah and instructions on how to build the dwelling place. When you count from the third month to the first month it is 9 months, the same time it takes for gestation of a baby boy (or girl).


The Tabernacle was set up on Nissan 1 on the New Moon.


This is my paraphrasing from a program by Jonathan Cahn Messianic Rabbi and best selling writer.

I would make one small correction sister Lulav regarding the AD acronym...it was not "After Death" but, Latin for Anno Domini "Year of our Lord" which was created by Dionysius Exiguus in 525 AD to replace the then original AD timeline Anno Diocletiani "Year of Diocletian" which early Christians used to count how many years had passed since Diocletian persecuted the Church. Now the current Anno Domini timeline counts the years from the birth of Christ onwards; and the Before Christ was added by Venerable Bede in 731 AD by counting the number of years from creation to the birth of Christ.