I know this is a touchy subject - but please explain-Pentecostal/Charismatic Only

[SharonL]

I have noticed that there are a lot of threads that get locked and this one will probably be locked also. But before you lock it - would you please answer a question.

I mean no disrespect.

Why is it that we can talk about drinking, lieing, adultry, any kind of sin and the conversations go on - but when we touch on homosexuality most people are shocked, pull back or the thread gets locked.

Sin is sin - why can we not discuss this sin (is it because it offends people) - It is spelled out in the Bible as plain as any of the other sins and not shoved off to an area where it won't offend anyone. If it is always shoved off to an area by itself - it is full of people who are not searching for help and just want to argue - if it flows over into this thread - they are seeking help.

We have 2 choices - no three - let people be offended, let them be lost because it can't be discussed - or let the thread be locked.

Again - no disrespect meant - but just do not understand why when a thread is going along at a good discussion pace and then someone will complain and it is locked.

What do we want to be - politically correct or try to help people understand why this is happening in their lives. I have friends who are homosexuals and they come to me to discuss this issue. I could understand a hateful thread being locked, but not one done in loving caring. Once I explain to my homosexual friends that they need to look at this as a spirit - they seem very relieved when we speak of this - I have one homosexual friend who is in your face and just wants to shock and has no desire of finding out why this is working in his life - but I have others that come to me for prayer and help.
How can we help if it is always shut down when it comes up - it's a fact - it exists - it can be overcome - we need to help them - not critize and have hate talk - but we do need to talk.

 

[revduane]

I have noticed that there are a lot of threads that get locked and this one will probably be locked also. But before you lock it - would you please answer a question.

I mean no disrespect.

Why is it that we can talk about drinking, lieing, adultry, any kind of sin and the conversations go on - but when we touch on homosexuality most people are shocked, pull back or the thread gets locked.

Sin is sin - why can we not discuss this sin (is it because it offends people) - It is spelled out in the Bible as plain as any of the other sins and not shoved off to an area where it won't offend anyone. If it is always shoved off to an area by itself - it is full of people who are not searching for help and just want to argue - if it flows over into this thread - they are seeking help.

We have 2 choices - no three - let people be offended, let them be lost because it can't be discussed - or let the thread be locked.

Again - no disrespect meant - but just do not understand why when a thread is going along at a good discussion pace and then someone will complain and it is locked.

What do we want to be - politically correct or try to help people understand why this is happening in their lives. I have friends who are homosexuals and they come to me to discuss this issue. I could understand a hateful thread being locked, but not one done in loving caring. Once I explain to my homosexual friends that they need to look at this as a spirit - they seem very relieved when we speak of this - I have one homosexual friend who is in your face and just wants to shock and has no desire of finding out why this is working in his life - but I have others that come to me for prayer and help.
How can we help if it is always shut down when it comes up - it's a fact - it exists - it can be overcome - we need to help them - not critize and have hate talk - but we do need to talk.

Hey Sharon.

This is a good point. The Bible is clear about it. And you would be shocked at how many churches, and leaders in churches support homosexuality.

I have been in churches that are respecters of person, because of the collection plate. It is sad. Anyway, Homosexuals need understanding, but they also need prayer and truth of the spirit, and of the sin. Because if they are practicing homsexuality, and in church, the bible say they are of a reprobate mind. Threads shouldn't be closed just because it may offend. But it does needs to be addressed appropriately.

Blessings to ya. Rev.Duane.

 

[KleinerApfel]

I think it's a valid question Sharon, hope there's an answer.

 

[Strong in Him]

It's in the forum rules - under rule 4. This topic can be discussed but only in certain forums, eg ethics, or maybe liberal theology. I haven't memorised the forum rules off by heart, I remember reading it when another thread was closed recently.

 

[lismore]

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Sin is sin - why can we not discuss this sin (is it because it offends people) - It is spelled out in the Bible as plain as any of the other sins and not shoved off to an area where it won't offend anyone. If it is always shoved off to an area by itself - it is full of people who are not searching for help and just want to argue - if it flows over into this thread - they are seeking help.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

its the same with any sin: Jesus Christ came into the world full of grace and truth.

Truth to speak out against what is wrong!

Grace to allow the sinner to come to him and be transformed.

Jesus breaks every yoke, sets every prisoner free, forgives every sin and turns no man or woman away.

Why focus on the sin? Let us focus on Jesus the author and perfector of our faith- when he is lifted up he will draw all men unto him and transform them.

Luke 4:18 NIV
Jesus said: "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed.

For any struggling folks here tonight there is good news! Jesus can release you. You can with confidence say that 'I'll never be the same in Jesus name'.

 

[Joy]

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

its the same with any sin: Jesus Christ came into the world full of grace and truth.

Truth to speak out against what is wrong!

Grace to allow the sinner to come to him and be transformed.

Jesus breaks every yoke, sets every prisoner free, forgives every sin and turns no man or woman away.

Why focus on the sin? Let us focus on Jesus the author and perfector of our faith- when he is lifted up he will draw all men unto him and transform them.

Luke 4:18 NIV
Jesus said: "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed.

For any struggling folks here tonight there is good news! Jesus can release you. You can with confidence say that 'I'll never be the same in Jesus name'.

Dear Brother

I believe that is a prophetic word

AMEN

 

[Amb1]

It's in the forum rules - under rule 4. This topic can be discussed but only in certain forums, eg ethics, or maybe liberal theology. I haven't memorised the forum rules off by heart, I remember reading it when another thread was closed recently.

They will lock it in the Ethics Forum also, unless you can furnish documented proof of what you are saying. Certain people think that by sweeping the truth under the rug, it will go away. Truth is truth and it NEVER goes away.

 

[Strong in Him]

They will lock it in the Ethics Forum also, unless you can furnish documented proof of what you are saying. Certain people think that by sweeping the truth under the rug, it will go away. Truth is truth and it NEVER goes away.

It probably depends on whether people are speaking truth, debating or making accusations.

 

[Hortysir]

I just went over Rule #4 and.... TBO...i don't get it.
It's very difficult to talk about homosexuality without the discussion leaning toward a sexual conversation....whereas prostituion discussions are alot more sexual, yet seldom get locked....
good question.....any Mod help?
GodBless

 

[JimB]

I have noticed that there are a lot of threads that get locked and this one will probably be locked also. But before you lock it - would you please answer a question.

I mean no disrespect.



Why is it that we can talk about drinking, lieing, adultry, any kind of sin and the conversations go on - but when we touch on homosexuality most people are shocked, pull back or the thread gets locked.



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Uh, homophobia, maybe?

Good point, Sharon.

Again - no disrespect meant - but just do not understand why when a thread is going along at a good discussion pace and then someone will complain and it is locked.

There are chronic whiners in every group who run to tattle when things don’t go their way. Just glad I’m not a moderator.

~Jim

 

[Sabertooth]

...Why is it that we can talk about drinking, lieing, adultry, any kind of sin and the conversations go on - but when we touch on homosexuality most people are shocked, pull back or the thread gets locked.

Sin is sin - why can we not discuss this sin (is it because it offends people) - It is spelled out in the Bible as plain as any of the other sins and not shoved off to an area where it won't offend anyone. If it is always shoved off to an area by itself - it is full of people who are not searching for help and just want to argue - if it flows over into this thread - they are seeking help.

I can see two ways of talking about sin of any kind:

a. This sin is troubling me, can you help me find a way out from under it?
b. Grace makes this sin okay, today. Who is with me?

Circumstance A is the front door of Christianity. B is an attempt to bypass "the Gate," altogether.

"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. [John 10:1]"

Is confession [that God is right and we are wrong] and repentance no longer a requirement for being forgiven. Will one get to stay at the wedding feast, if they wear their own knockoff of the wedding clothes [see Matt. 22:11-13]?

We have 2 choices - no three - let people be offended, let them be lost because it can't be discussed - or let the thread be locked...

There is a fourth option, the "Questions from Unbelievers" subforum.

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

It's gets passed over b/c it's steping in toes and many don't want to admit it. along other things believe me if someone wants to open up on her it please email me I feel God created adam and eve not adam and steve and many don't want to accept it sin is sin and some won't inherntet the kingdom for it as shown in the bible I feel it needs to be talked about and not move it to other parts of this website. I feel we should be open and ready to talk about it and what's wrong with it not put aside it's time out for it people need the message before it's too late I am 14 years old I feel I am capable of talking about it without offending but again I will say what comes to mind or what God tells me to say. I am ready I am against it but I made a commintment to love God and hate sin that includes homosexuality. God Bless you indeed and thanks for makng this topic

 

[SharonL]

It's gets passed over b/c it's steping in toes and many don't want to admit it. along other things believe me if someone wants to open up on her it please email me I feel God created adam and eve not adam and steve and many don't want to accept it sin is sin and some won't inherntet the kingdom for it as shown in the bible I feel it needs to be talked about and not move it to other parts of this website. I feel we should be open and ready to talk about it and what's wrong with it not put aside it's time out for it people need the message before it's too late I am 14 years old I feel I am capable of talking about it without offending but again I will say what comes to mind or what God tells me to say. I am ready I am against it but I made a commintment to love God and hate sin that includes homosexuality. God Bless you indeed and thanks for makng this topic

How did you learn to be so wise in just a few years. You will be a bright light shining for Jesus. As wise as you are - you will be a winning light for people not sure about their salvation - God's Blessings upon you.

 

[GAPCanadianChristian]

Uh, homophobia, maybe?

Good point, Sharon.



There are chronic whiners in every group who run to tattle when things don’t go their way. Just glad I’m not a moderator.

~Jim

Sadly, yes... homophobia still pervades our society, even with the giant strides that have been taken in recent years to right this grave injustice.

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

Thanks.. I think I got it from watching people like My God,mom,Pastor, and co-pastor. Watching them has taught me alot things and from sermons and all.It's helped watching them over the past 7 almost year years of my walk with Christ. Some of the things I have learned in church things people say and things God says. A couple things that have caught my attention was:

there is people in the world that only we can help them learn about God, everyone in this world has something to do for the Lord and you don't want to get caught with your work undone.We have talked about this subject in church before probably more than once.Umm... just God helping me teaching me and molding me to what he wants me to be for him and helpng me learn what to say. God Bless you indeed

 

[Hadron]

Actually, have any of you been over to the Struggles with Sexuality forum and the Christian Philosophy and Ethics forum? No? Strange...

The problem is that forums get locked over there too. The reasons are similar to why they get locked here in that people start getting personal with attacks and whatnot. But there is a difference. Homosexual Christians tend to congregate in those areas and the topics of conversation quickly go down the gutter. It's like talking to people with the Bible, but they don't believe the Bible (yet they are supposedly Christians), so why bother talking to them?

In my times over there, I have only witnessed one person receiving their sight and accepting what the Bible says about it.

The more liberal people over there usually end up accusing the Biblical-truth-supporters of Homophobia, living in fear, and whatever else. I find these accusations just as baseless and ignorant.

 

[Sabertooth]

...The more liberal people over there usually end up accusing the Biblical-truth-supporters of Homophobia, living in fear, and whatever else. I find these accusations just as baseless and ignorant.

And THAT won't change [just like for the heterosexual humanist or fill in the blank] until they humble themselves before God, accept and confess His judgement and receive His amnesty on His terms, "Go now and leave your life of sin. [John 8:11]"


We ALL struggle with whatever sins are in our lives, but no valid Christian wittingly embraces them. First John 1:6 says, "If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth."

Chapter 2:3 says, "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands." The act of disobedience followed by sincere repentance is considered the same as NEVER HAVING DISOBEYED in the first place, per 1John 1:9.

 

[rapturefish]

I had an interesting insight during one of my subjects at uni doing an education subject. Our teacher clearly was a homophile and talked about discussing the issue in class. She showed us on a photocopied sheet an example where this was proposed and how some parents and so on had concerns or even initial objections to the idea. But after discussions with them they kinda settled down and cautiously let it go ahead. The main arguments for this centred around reducing homophobia by talking about. Not talking about only causes intolerance, bullying, and fails to discourage prejudicial jokes about homosexuals, however innocently intended.

I had to admit that at first I didn't quite know how to react to this line of argument. But on reflection I'm not sure I subscribe to this. While I'm not for people villifying people, let alone kids who might be homosexual in orientation, I don't agree that discussion actually helps in an important sense - that of drawing a clear line in the sand of what is right and what is wrong.

I feel that it's a problem when people feel that homosexual feelings are part of a person's inherent identity and that to say that homosexuality is wrong means to say that a person is wrong. I guess some discussion should happen on what to do if a person does have such tendencies. I don't believe for a minute that these orientations should be considered acceptable, I do believe that a person needs to be loved and yet clearly communicated to that these feelings are not acceptable to condone.

Easily said. I think this is going to be a problem with christian people in secular schools because there is such an emphasis on tolerance and separation of church and state mindsets.

The bible is clear on homosexuality. I think there is no substance in an argument against it from scripture. That doesn't mean we're instantly homophobic people for standing with the word on this. It just means that we're going to have to deal with the challenge of clearly rejecting homosexuality and loving those who have such tendencies. But isn't that exactly what christians are to do? To love those outside the church and invite them to a relationship with God, and to lovingly encourage them to pursue the way of godly love when they have accepted Jesus.

We don't have the right to force homosexuals, people outside the church, to follow God's law. But for the sake of our christian kids, if not any kids, I dont' think for a minute that they should think that the homosexual relationship is to be considered anything but an absolute unacceptability.

If liberal-minded christians are going to accuse other christians of being homophobic, let's put our emotions to one side and think whether we don't fall into the trap of being homophobic in sticking to the bible on this issue. I believe there is a way to be absolutely biblical in regard to homosexuality and yet be lighthouses of grace and light to people who are homosexual. To be so is to be very christian indeed.

blessings,

 

[Sabertooth]

I had an interesting insight during one of my subjects at uni doing an education subject. Our teacher clearly was a homophile and talked about discussing the issue in class. She showed us on a photocopied sheet an example where this was proposed and how some parents and so on had concerns or even initial objections to the idea. But after discussions with them they kinda settled down and cautiously let it go ahead. The main arguments for this centred around reducing homophobia by talking about. Not talking about only causes intolerance, bullying, and fails to discourage prejudicial jokes about homosexuals, however innocently intended.

I had to admit that at first I didn't quite know how to react to this line of argument. But on reflection I'm not sure I subscribe to this. While I'm not for people villifying people, let alone kids who might be homosexual in orientation, I don't agree that discussion actually helps in an important sense - that of drawing a clear line in the sand of what is right and what is wrong.

I feel that it's a problem when people feel that homosexual feelings are part of a person's inherent identity and that to say that homosexuality is wrong means to say that a person is wrong. I guess some discussion should happen on what to do if a person does have such tendencies. I don't believe for a minute that these orientations should be considered acceptable, I do believe that a person needs to be loved and yet clearly communicated to that these feelings are not acceptable to condone.

Easily said. I think this is going to be a problem with christian people in secular schools because there is such an emphasis on tolerance and separation of church and state mindsets.

The bible is clear on homosexuality. I think there is no substance in an argument against it from scripture. That doesn't mean we're instantly homophobic people for standing with the word on this. It just means that we're going to have to deal with the challenge of clearly rejecting homosexuality and loving those who have such tendencies. But isn't that exactly what christians are to do? To love those outside the church and invite them to a relationship with God, and to lovingly encourage them to pursue the way of godly love when they have accepted Jesus.

We don't have the right to force homosexuals, people outside the church, to follow God's law. But for the sake of our christian kids, if not any kids, I dont' think for a minute that they should think that the homosexual relationship is to be considered anything but an absolute unacceptability.

If liberal-minded christians are going to accuse other christians of being homophobic, let's put our emotions to one side and think whether we don't fall into the trap of being homophobic in sticking to the bible on this issue. I believe there is a way to be absolutely biblical in regard to homosexuality and yet be lighthouses of grace and light to people who are homosexual. To be so is to be very christian indeed.

blessings,

 

[chasity]

i agree...we deff. need acknowledge the fact that homosexuality is a sin...How can we as christians be comfortable with ourselves if we dont post these controversial threads to shine light on the subject....Blocking theses threads that say homosexuality is wrong makes it look like we're wrong in thinking that....is this what we want....do we want people to think its ok to be homosexual....i know i don't ....i can't feel comfortable with just sitting back and being complacent while there are many people who are walking around thinking this lifestyle is ok.....Yes God loves homosexuals...God loved lucifer too, but he still cast him out of heaven...