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That does not, however, suggest that Christians have a mission to use the sheriff's gun to force pagans to act like Christians.
Off topic, but Jesus is [the corporate head of] Israel... not divorced.
I tend to agree.
There is nothing anywhere in the bible that discusses abortion, mentions abortion, or gives us any indication of God's opinion of it. Everything we think on the topic comes from us and our own personal or cultural biases, and deciding that it comes from God is an attempt to create him in our own image. We can't use "God's will" to enforce our opinion of it either way.
largely agree with you. The salvation message of the gospel is still the same regardless of whether a huge fish literally swallowed Jonah for three days, or if that story is some sort of metaphor. Our faith doesn't depend on it literally being historic fact
Youre pretty much showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about here.
In the original Hippocratic oath, which came from pagan Greece, doctors swore to abstain from doing abortions.
Even pagans knew abortions were wrong.
It’s not a Christian issue, it’s a moral issue.
Us Catholics do not find importance in the historicity of the OT. We don't see the Truth in the events but the truth is in the message of the text. The main thing in the Bible that has to be believed as historical/factual is the Gospels. Your Faith is defined in the Apostles Creed not if/if not events in the OT are historical as narrated.
And when it comes to actual murder, we still create gods in our own image because we are defining what is a murder and what is not a murder on his behalf.
After all, it's perfectly fine and righteous to
blow up an entire city with an atomic bomb...
Youre pretty much showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about here.
In the original Hippocratic oath, which came from pagan Greece, doctors swore to abstain from doing abortions.
Even pagans knew abortions were wrong.
It’s not a Christian issue, it’s a moral issue.
Two points: either it’s all the true inerrant word of God, or we can’t believe any of it - it is all questionable.
And, Jesus affirmed everything Moses wrote, as the accurate and truthful word of God, as well as the prophets.
That includes Adam and Eve, the worldwide flood and Noah, and He made Jonah in the fish belly for three days and nights, the SIGN of His own death and resurrection after three days and nights in the heart of the earth.
The earliest manuscripts say you shall not murder. Do you know the difference between to kill and to murder?I guess you missed where God says, thou shalt not kill.
The whole argument of "it has to be all true or it we can't believe any of it" is a fallacy. Because first, truth can also be a form of a message with in a story, not just as historical recording. And second, we can believe things in which there is evidence (or a good academical case) to support it.
Jesus' did not affirm everything other than what was traditionally known, he never once mentioned all the barbarism and wars that Moses and other OT prophets claimed God ordered.
Wait a minute...
God also said, "I HATE divorce", yet He divorced himself from Israel. It doesn't NOT mean that He's some kind of liar, and that he must not "hate" divorce (since He Himself did it), and that if divorce is o.k. in God's eyes, it should be o.k. for US.
And likewise, just because God commanded Joshua to slay EVERYONE, including women and children (probably pregnant women, too), doesn't mean that God "approved" of all kinds of infanticide across the board.
God has something we don't have; foreknowledge. God knew if those children were going to grow up and become even MORE wicked than their parents.
Since God is The Creator of Life, He has the Ultimate Say over it. God is the Ultimate Just Judge. He is the ONLY one who gets to say who lives, who dies, who goes to heaven, who goes to hell and WHEN. We don't get to make that decision because we DON'T KNOW if the fetus we're killing was supposed to be the next great Evangelist or another Stalin. We don't have God's foreknowledge and wisdom.
As a parent, you are allowed to do things that you wouldn't allow your child to do. You wouldn't allow your 5 year old to drive a car, even though YOU drive a car. The child doesn't have your knowledge and skill to drive a car.
Same way with God. God is our heavenly parent and we are His 'children'. God is allowed to kill because He has certain knowledge that we don't have. It's not 'wrong' for God to kill. It is not "murder". We define murder as the "unjustified killing of a human being". If God kills, it is justified. God doesn't kill for no reason. You may not like His reason(s) or even approve of His reason(s), but that doesn't matter. Like I said earlier, you don't have the benefit of seeing into the future, like God has.
God commanded Joshua to do this. Read that sentence again for understanding: GOD commanded... In other words, Joshua didn't decide to slay everyone. GOD told him to. But when was the last time you ever heard of a woman claiming that GOD told her to have an abortion? I'm guessing the answer is "never".
The woman who has an abortion is playing God.
So was God...
It is not the mission of the Body of Christ to make non-Christians act like Christians. It is the mission of the Body of Christ to make disciples. Period. There is no other mission given to the Body of Christ. Everything else Christians do "in Jesus' name" outside of making disciples will result in Him saying, "I don't know you."[/QUOTE
Jesus says I never knew you, to those who did not feed, clothe, and shelter the poor, not to those who failed to only make disciples of men.
So much for your fallacious claim.
And James says religion that God approves of is to take care of widows and orphans. Protecting unborn children from murder qualifies as religion God approves of.
God the Father divorced Israel in Jeremiah 3:8, ending the old covenant.
And don't even get me started on the law that passed here in New York last year. Not only are we allowed to legally brutally murder our own fetuses but, now we can legally abort a full term, legally grown, and full term baby! A living breathing freaking BABY!
IF you are correct, and that abortion is not always wrong, under what circumstances would it be right?Again, this is missing the point.
If God commanded Joshua to kill children (and we all accept that He did so) then God does not have an absolute prohibition against infanticide (and all abortion is infanticide).
This does not mean that abortion is always right, but it does mean that abortion is not always wrong.
IAnd I think you misunderstand the bigger picture. And it's because you are making God's judgment on a people and abortion the same thing.
They are not.
God knew when a people-group had become so wicked - wicked to the point of no return - to the point of harm to themselves and their children AS a people group. At that moment - a moment only God can discern, he passed judgment. And that can include death.
Those little children who died went to be with God and are STILL with him today.
Mankind aborted babies because they are a nuisance, inconvenience, and considered not human is NOT mankind's decision to make.
Again, this is missing the point.
If God commanded Joshua to kill children (and we all accept that He did so) then God does not have an absolute prohibition against infanticide (and all abortion is infanticide).
This does not mean that abortion is always right, but it does mean that abortion is not always wrong.
The earliest manuscripts say you shall not murder. Do you know the difference between to kill and to murder?
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