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[philadiddle]

But the stories in the bible are from a different religions, from different stories much older than the bible.

What I'm basically saying is that the entire bible is not original, it got most of it's stories from other places.

Pick a specific story that you think was copied and explain the similarities and differences between the biblical story and the older one.

 

[Papias]

Mr. Incredible wrote:

But the stories in the bible are from a different religions, from different stories much older than the bible.

What I'm basically saying is that the entire bible is not original, it got most of it's stories from other places.

Sure - and that's OK. There aren't new stories in humanity - we've had the same stories, being told over and over with different character names for millenia. What else could God do but use them?

Pyramid construction - There are many possible ways (using normal means) the ancient Egyptians could have built the pyramids. We don't know which of them were used, but none are supernatural or extraterrestrial. It's like when I see my co-worker at work, I don't know which of several plausible routes he took driving to work, but that mystery in no way makes me think a flying saucer picked him up and dropped him at work. Here are some of these simple methods:

Egyptian pyramid construction techniques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Simply reading non-tabloid sources can clarify many, many of your quandries.

**animal headed Egyptian Gods***
They are no surprise - humans have made up fanciful creatures by pasting together animals for a long time, like Pegasus, a dragon (added bat wings), the greek centaur, and so on. They don't provide evidence for alien genetic engineering any more than the leprechan rainbow pot of gold legend provides evidence of alien alchemy.

Most of the questions you posted (not those about the Bible itself, but about UFOs and the Egyptians) are easily answered (using actual evidence) in mainstream science. Just look it up.

Also, it can't be a coincidence that the 3 pyramids are directly under the 3 stars that make up orion's belt, and how those 3 pyramids are directly in the center of earth (latitude/longitude)

First of all, if they were, it woud be easily explained by the ancients simply noticing where the sun rose - from that you can determine the equator, and build on it. Secondly, your statement above is simply false. The stars in Orion's belt are to the south of the ecliptic, the pyramids to the north, so they aren't directly under those stars (even factoring in the rotation of the earth!), and they aren't at the "center" (0 latitude) either - instead, they are nearly 3,000 miles north of that, and of course there is no "center" east and west. A little learning at a community college would have given you that information.

Don't be overly distraught - a lot of that hype about the pyramids is just pseudoscience.

Papias

 

[philadiddle]

^There have been more activity. Youtube it. Youtube search, Jerusalem UFO, Ancient Aliens The Evidence, and Japan Earthquake Lights. There is another one of this light in the middle of nowhere, and just flashes and you see a ufo come out of it, but I'm having a hard time trying to find it on youtube.

You can find youtube videos to support or deny any view you can come up with. If you are using youtube as a quick way to get info to people then fine, we all do that, hopefully you have some source documents to back it up. If youtube is your sole source for things....well....

 

[Papias]

Philadiddle wrote:

Pick a specific story that you think was copied and explain the similarities and differences between the biblical story and the older one.

I'm not sure that's worth our time. He's right that stories in the Bible were copied from other religions with similar stories. That's something that is agreed upon by practically all Bible scholars, and most ministers are therefore appropriately taught that in seminary. The fact that the don't usually tell their congregants is their fault, and leads to problems like Mr. Incredible is having when their congregants find out from others, who in this case distort other facts for hype.

A good example would be the flood story being clearly copied from part of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

I think it might be more fruitful to help him with the pseudoscience and falsehoods he's been fed about Egypt.

Papias.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

The Government has been lying to it's people for years, and religion just seems to be a big scam lately.

Government conspiracies, first red flag.

Look at the statues and drawings in egypt. People with bird or crocodile heads, animals with heads of humans. There is no way that they could've thought of stuff like that back than, it could have been the aliens testing DNAs and doing experiments.

"I am willing to believe in conscious force from outside the Earth far greater than our own which helped shape mankind and civilisation ... except God." Second red flag.

Anyway, on the History channel, there are all these talks of extraterrestrial life, and how the people who wrote the bible probably saw UFOs.

"I am extremely skeptical yet I believe everything I've heard on television." Third red flag.

Put yourself in their position. Living in a society with no computers, no cars, no clothing, no planes.
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It had to be something advanced, but mankind thousands of years ago weren't exactly the brightest people, so they had to have help from someone, right? aliens.

Is life without technology that difficult to imagine? The ancients were not stupid, they managed to survive without the help of Google and BlackBerries.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Aren't there stories in the bible, that someone is explaining seeing something in the sky, and it's basically a UFO?

You're likely thinking of Ezekiel's vision of "a wheel within a wheel". Through very creative imagination one could superimpose the modern idea of a "flying saucer" into Ezekiel's vision. But a more realistic reading is simply that Ezekiel had a vision.

How can you be sure that people made these structures thousands of years ago? Looking at the pyramids, the stones are cut so perfectly that a piece of paper can't go between them, that light won't be able to go between them. Where are the tools that they used to build this? It had to be something advanced, but mankind thousands of years ago weren't exactly the brightest people, so they had to have help from someone, right? aliens.

You're assuming people thousands of years ago weren't "the brightest people". Five thousand years may sound like a really like time to you and me, but evolutionarily speaking it's not even a blip. Our tools and machines are a bit more fancy now than they were five thousand years ago, but they had mathematics, they had the same basic mental tools you and I have, they had engineers, architects, astronomers, mathematicians, they had the same amount of gray matter between their ears. Bronze age people weren't dumb. Ancient people who studied the stars weren't dummies with math, they could calculate the movements of the heavens and do the math and align their structures and build them in ways significant to astronomical events.

It doesn't require an alien intelligence for this.

You are making assumptions and then creating speculation. I would encourage you to actually do some legitimate study on these topics, and preferably avoid websites with amateur HTML coding, especially if they have animated .gifs or large neon fonts on a solid black background.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Smidlee]

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Look at the statues and drawings in egypt. People with bird or crocodile heads, animals with heads of humans. There is no way that they could've thought of stuff like that back than, it could have been the aliens testing DNAs and doing experiments.
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LOL you are close yet just drop the alien part. They were doing experiments but not necessary testing DNA. Think about , Centaur: half man half horse. We have a name for this. It doesn't take much searching on the internet to learn where they got these ideas.

You're assuming people thousands of years ago weren't "the brightest people".

It's very common for the younger generation thinks their parents are a butch of idiots. If parents are seen as idiots then those five thousands years ago had to be as dumb as apes.

 

[philadiddle]

I'm not sure that's worth our time. He's right that stories in the Bible were copied from other religions with similar stories. That's something that is agreed upon by practically all Bible scholars, and most ministers are therefore appropriately taught that in seminary. The fact that the don't usually tell their congregants is their fault, and leads to problems like Mr. Incredible is having when their congregants find out from others, who in this case distort other facts for hype.

A good example would be the flood story being clearly copied from part of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

I think it might be more fruitful to help him with the pseudoscience and falsehoods he's been fed about Egypt.

Papias.

I think that this is exactly why it is worth our time to compare them. Why do pastors learn this in seminary and not have a problem with it? It's because they understand what elements were copied, why they were copied, and what the differences are. The differences give a completely different image of God and His relationship with man and understanding this helps us know the bible as a message of theological truth and not just a cut and paste from past cultures.

Like you mentioned with the flood, simple things like comparing the meaning of "Noah" to the meaning of the hero's name in the flood myth of the Epic of Gilgamesh gives us a completely different view of how God sees us.

 

[Papias]

philadiddle wrote:

I think that this is exactly why it is worth our time to compare them. Why do pastors learn this in seminary and not have a problem with it? It's because they understand what elements were copied, why they were copied, and what the differences are. The differences give a completely different image of God and His relationship with man and understanding this helps us know the bible as a message of theological truth and not just a cut and paste from past cultures.

Like you mentioned with the flood, simple things like comparing the meaning of "Noah" to the meaning of the hero's name in the flood myth of the Epic of Gilgamesh gives us a completely different view of how God sees us.

Yeah. All true.

Papias

 

[gluadys]

At that time, those civilizations were having those sculptures/carvings on their wall (hieroglyphs), and they would only engrave what they see around them. They wouldn't be able to make this stuff up, are you serious?

I think it's incredible you think people of ancient times couldn't make stuff up. Really? They had no imagination at all?

 

[Siyha]

I know its against the rules but....

I call troll

 

[philadiddle]

I know its against the rules but....

I call troll

Yep, hence post #20.

The Origins Theology section on this forum is kinda tucked away so I'm a little suspicious when someones first post is here, and it is the kind of post that makes bizarre claims that you know will get some people riled up.

 

[Jazer]

There are buildings, structures, that have been found that are older than the pyramids, stones that are either 8000 years old, or from the year 8000BC.

There are stories that are older than the Bible.

I have studied the Bible extensively and I have studied science and history going back 14,000 years extensively. There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Our knowledge is increaseing and now we have a better understanding of the Bible then we use to have. Some people maybe a little stuck in the past, but they are starting to catch up to what is currently known. Science (Empirical evidence) and the Bible work together very well and they seem to need each other.

12 4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

 

[Greg1234]

At that time, those civilizations were having those sculptures/carvings on their wall (hieroglyphs), and they would only engrave what they see around them. They wouldn't be able to make this stuff up, are you serious?

You're asking me where these mutants are? Hell, I don't know. Just like there is also no evidence of the tools that they used to build these pyramids. Don't say that they just turned into dust, because there are vases, cups, and other artifacts found from that period, but when it comes to tools on how they build the pyramid, nothing. No historical documentation on how they built it, why would they keep that from us?

Also, it can't be a coincidence that the 3 pyramids are directly under the 3 stars that make up orion's belt, and how those 3 pyramids are directly in the center of earth (latitude/longitude)

The closest Ive seen anyone come to explaining how the ancients did it is from a guy called Ed Leedskalnin. Magnetic current and Ed Leedskalnin's Coral Castle Anti-gravity. In fact, he may just have found it. More below.

YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin pyramids mason magic - Coral Castle Part 1
YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin pyramids mason magic - Coral Castle Part 2
YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin pyramids mason magic - Coral Castle Part 3