I just lied to someone.

[LoveGodsWord]

More intellectual dishonesty. You said God does not use deceit. God says he deceives. I believe him, not you.

We will let God judge between us. I do not judge you. The context of the discussion is to lying not deceit and that was how I responded.

 

[Greg Cheney]

I see you have no scripture to support your teaching that it is now ok to lie while thinking that a record of someone lying is an approval for sin. That is not biblical.

Another deception involves a time when God had punished Israel for its rebellion by using Canaan to oppress it. Under Judge Deborah, Israel attempted to rout the Canaanites, whose army was led by Sisera. Sisera fled and hid in the tent of Jael the wife of Heber. She promised to protect him and she hid him in her tent. Rather than protect him she drove a tent peg through his temples. The entire army was defeated and Jael is praised in Judges 5:24 – “Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Another deception involves a time when God had punished Israel for its rebellion by using Canaan to oppress it. Under Judge Deborah, Israel attempted to rout the Canaanites, whose army was led by Sisera. Sisera fled and hid in the tent of Jael the wife of Heber. She promised to protect him and she hid him in her tent. Rather than protect him she drove a tent peg through his temples. The entire army was defeated and Jael is praised in Judges 5:24 – “Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.”

And the lie is where?

 

[Greg Cheney]

Your applying interpretations to those passages that are not supported in the scripture in order to justify sin which is also not supported in the scriptures.

I gave a straightforward explanation of a scripture; no interpretation necessary. It is not justifying sin. Once again, I suggest you learn what lying is referring to.

 

[Greg Cheney]

And the lie is where?

She offered protection and then did the opposite. Its plain for someone without blinders on.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I gave a straightforward explanation of a scripture; no interpretation necessary. It is not justifying sin. Once again, I suggest you learn what lying is referring to.

Sorry I respectfully disagree. You applied an interpretation to the scripture that are not supported in the scriptures you provided. I suggest if your seeking to justify lying you need to provide scripture that says it is now ok to lie and not a record of someone lying which is not an endorsement of telling lies and committing sin.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

She offered protection and then did the opposite. Its plain for someone without blinders on.

Sorry I disagree. She offered protection from the army not herself. Once again there was no lie.

 

[Greg Cheney]

Sorry I disagree. She offered protection from the army not herself. Once again there was no lie.

There was clearly a falsehood.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There was clearly a falsehood.

There was no lie like you are saying. Did she seek to deceive and kill him. Of course. We should not seek to try and justify lying of any other sin. There is no excuse for sin according to the scriptures. Even a record of someone committing sin in scripture is not a justification to go and commit sin.

 

[Greg Cheney]

Sorry I disagree. She offered protection from the army not herself. Once again there was no lie.

I stand by my claims, but I like your spirit. I think it is good for people to see what lying is and what it is not, what bearing false witness is, and the purpose of deceit. I agree; sin is never justified. I claim that telling a falsehood is not necessarily the same as lying. I wish you the best.

 

[Greg Cheney]

There was no lie like you are saying. Did she seek to deceive and kill him. Of course. We should not seek to try and justify lying of any other sin. There is no excuse for sin according to the scriptures. Even a record of someone committing sin in scripture is not a justification to go and commit sin.

See post 170.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I stand by my claims, but I like your spirit. I think it is good for people to see what lying is and what it is not, what bearing false witness is, and the purpose of deceit. I agree; sin is never justified. I claim that telling a falsehood is not necessarily the same as lying. I wish you the best.

Yes I like to have a friendly chat, thanks for this. We will have to agree to disagree though. I do not believe there is any justification for sin. Thanks for the discussion. I hope only the best for you as well.

Take Care.

 

[Greg Cheney]

Yes I like to have a friendly chat, thanks for this. We will have to agree to disagree though. I do not believe there is any justification for sin. Thanks for the discussion. I hope only the best for you as well.

Take Care.

I agree there is no justification for sin. But I do not think that all falsehoods are sin. May the Lord bless you and correct us both in our lives where we need it.

 

[Leaf473]

There was no lie like you are saying. Did she seek to deceive and kill him. Of course. We should not seek to try and justify lying of any other sin. There is no excuse for sin according to the scriptures. Even a record of someone committing sin in scripture is not a justification to go and commit sin.

(Hopefully continuing in the spirit of a friendly chat)
Deceiving is also a sin, is it not?