I have this feeling I should obey this

I believe I should not follow church but I should follow only Jesus if others are worried they can join the church I believe I should trust in God justice to stand for Christ as it is important to stand for truth and to show I support and stand with those who do.

Things could get worse and since I have no proof people can not try to deny I think best to join church incase because to be sure not to teach error to be safe and maybe I could be witness and since don’t know truth for sure I think best to join orthodox church incase even if I can’t prove maybe God will work through me also because I don’t know if evil happening because not following church. I believe if I stand with people it is better if it because I can prove it is truth and they can not try to deny it and it is not helpful to do if perhaps church could enlighten me as to the truth for anyone to be saved and if not they should be able to enlighten to prove it but I believe there is no way they can as that would be wrong it is not right it can not be truth that not anyone is not able to be saved.

I will not follow the church as I believe it is a distraction as many need Jesus they need to repent as Jesus said if one had known what hour the thief would come people would watch and not allow their house to be broken into that all people have to be ready as He said the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect so you have to always be watching and I should focus on that to help people do so if they worry they can join a church but I don’t want to make stumbling block. Also all nations need to repent as it says in bible the instant I speak concerning a nation that I will destroy it if it repents I will turn from destruction I said I would bring on it.

So a nation can be destroyed through disobedience its people because of disobedience if majority are not turning to the Lord in true genuine repentance but whoever turns even during that time with true genuine repentance God knows people heart will be saved but will not just die now and be immediately saved but be chastened after death as bible says some have forgiveness in age to come as bible says time has come for judgement to begin at the house of God and if it begins with us first what will be the end of those who obey not the gospel of God which is to submit to it which is to repent to acknowledge that you are a sinner and those sins have separated you from God and receive Jesus as your saviour in forgiving you and turning you away from your sins if you truly received Him evidenced by repentance a change of mind to stay in Him with what time you have calling on His name so that you are saved if you die calling on His name seeking to do His will or you are seeking to do it.

I was seeking to have break to play games so I can rest if that will give me strength and so I am not idle so devil does not fight me but I think that is wrong as bible says in all labor there is profit

And childhood and youth is vanity that I need to be occupied in God to delight myself in the Lord and He will give me the desires of my heart that only He can decide what is right for me

I think I should join the church incase it is required that if you don’t enter it you may die and not have opportunity I believe if you are alive even if you call only when you know you are going to die it is not too late if that is counted as because you have breath you may be saved that you are not dead yet even without church but I think I should join church to know to prove it if it can enlighten me as to the truth for anyone to be saved and if not they should be able to enlighten to prove it otherwise I would accept anyone can be saved if one was repenting to follow God and accepted church in one heart to truly repent if he is still alive not having opportunity to go to church. I just follow incase it is required but it may be it is not required that word of God does not teach you need church or to accept it and any believer can be saved.

I decided I will not follow church organisation as it is very important that people accept Christ and are watching and because of its seriousness I should just follow Jesus to encourage that and others. If people are worried they can join church.

mikeforjesus said:

I was seeking to have break to play games so I can rest if that will give me strength and so I am not idle so devil does not fight me but I think that is wrong as bible says in all labor there is profit

And childhood and youth is vanity that I need to be occupied in God to delight myself in the Lord and He will give me the desires of my heart that only He can decide what is right for me

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I decided it is right to have break that I should not put burdens on people and myself that God did not say. That God gives us things to rest so that we can serve that as long as people are serving to put God first it is ok. But breaks are to help one do so. If one seeks first the kingdom then other things are given to help one continue to do that. As long as one does not trust in oneself to put trust in his riches which are uncertain but in God who gives what he needs one is not sinning.


1 Timothy 6:17-19
17 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. 18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, 19 storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

I see people are also supposed to work to get themselves out of poverty. If one has riches lawfully it is not wrong it is just not the goal of life to desire to be rich means that becomes the goal of life to seek to store up for oneself so that he is rich and not just to be able to make riches to help others not to store up for oneself pleasure but just for needs of self and for others to share the wealth with others who have need not to keep them for oneself when others have need and to share it just that you have the ability to make again to give to them. Proverbs 14:24 is not saying people can store up riches but the wise are able to get wealth but they need to not store it up but share it but they have ability to get it they are wise enough to not spend all that they have to make it harder for them but even if they do they trust in God and He helps them search to help them find opportunity for a job to them keep getting it as bible says if riches increase do not set your heart on them. But Jesus said do not worry for tommorow so people should be focused on kingdom but He said if you seek first kingdom all will be added to you to give you all that you need to help others. He does not say it is wrong to seek to support yourself and to have money to help others but not to worry about tommorow how you are going to get it if you are seeking Him first.

Proverbs 14:23-24
23 In all labor there is profit,
But idle chatter leads only to poverty.
24 The crown of the wise is their riches,
But the foolishness of fools is folly.

Actually I think it is wrong unless you actually need rest that you have sought first the kingdom and obtained its righteousness as David said I will not go to comfort of my bed until I found a place for the Lord that one must not have breaks for enjoyment but for rest after one has sought first with all your ability the kingdom of God and its righteousness done your best to fulfill it have really made effort and you need rest to keep serving that if you are seeking to do so because you want to enjoy and not because you are already burnt out that you need rest you are not seeking first the kingdom of God. I think all breaks if they are not needed are dangerous that I should seek first the kingdom of God to try not to have breaks to try to serve God if I am able if I have strength to not to need rest only when one really needs rest that you can not seek to serve God and mammon to seek to relax to enjoy leisure only when you really need rest.

I think as long as you are seeking to make time with God to do His will to make sure that will be done you make kingdom first it is not wrong to have break to do other things to have hobbies because they are all also natural abilities you can gain as in parable of mina to help others to learn also to spread kingdom by helping others not that it is needed to do to enter kingdom except with abilities you were born with you can always do to make you able to preach gospel to make others receive it so it is gain to you in using all of your abilities you have directly from God now not what you choose to do that He shows you what He wants and your ability to do it which parable of talents teaches but having hobbies is good to do to still mind to give rest to body if you are tired so that you may spend time with God to do His will because having hobbies is good otherwise one can accuse that you only preach because you are unbalanced person that won’t make time for anything else and can do it too much at times not appropriate for being idle to get oneself in trouble.


Ecclesiastes 7:16-18
16 Do not be overly righteous,
Nor be overly wise:
Why should you destroy yourself?
17 Do not be overly wicked,
Nor be foolish:
Why should you die before your time?
18 It is good that you grasp this,
And also not remove your hand from the other;
For he who fears God will escape them all.

Ecclesiastes 8:15
15 So I commended enjoyment, because a man has nothing better under the sun than to eat, drink, and be merry; for this will remain with him in his labor all the days of his life which God gives him under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9:7-8
7 Go, eat your bread with joy,
And drink your wine with a merry heart;
For God has already accepted your works.
8 Let your garments always be white,
And let your head lack no oil.

I thought Church can not be right because there is no guarantee that there will be priest everywhere and that where there is that priest will still be close by to have access and if they can be there in one final moments even if one still alive. So when bible says do not harm oil and wine which the purpose of it is to give everyone chance to come back I believe it can’t be sacraments because priests can be prevented from ministering and they are not always there.

I believe the oil is to allow for the hearing of the gospel to receive it and seek to obey it which one must seek to always abide in it as with wise virgins in parable of the virgins to seek practice it and so because they themselves must spend time with God to continue to abide and they tell people to go to those who they believe are better than them closer to God to hear them preach and it is because the wise virgins had true faith as one really believes in Jesus teachings to believe in true Jesus.It is not that the wise did not seek to help others but they told them to seek oil from others because you can not be totally dependent on a person.

They had oil but they could not totally depend on them because they know they are not saved yet they have to continue to abide in Christ to do works they can do or commune with Him and they will not have time to always teach others. They would only share what they know but they knew it is not enough for them that they can not always spend time to teach people as they need to continue to do what works they know they are able to do and they come to know more which they know they must do because if they die then not doing what they know they would be judged what they come to know is God will.

They tell them to go to others who preach when they had time to preach as they can not always make time to preach and they also tell them to as they think are closer to God than them that they learn from who know bible more who God gifted them with knowledge to make sure you are on right track. However it was too late for them the foolish had been convinced of their need of true relationship with Him and to repent to follow Him when it is too late the moment they realised they decided to repent it is too late Christ comes they die without calling on Christ the wine is the result of communion with God to allow repentance to be possible to produce fruit to comfort one to produce fruit for true repentance when you call on the Lord Jesus.

There comes a point if you do not respond in time it will be too late you will die just when you sought to respond but if you hear and believe it is not too late but one may seek chance to hear later to respond to call on the Lord if one never heard but one dies before one has chance to hear or to respond to it in time so they call on the Lord Jesus and are safe and don’t die unexpectedly.

I have believed that as I saw people hold that interpretation who seemed to be similar to church view which I believed them but I believe also it might not be the meaning but refer to actual oil and wine as the context was after getting paid for a days work in saying a quart of wheat for a danarius and do not harm oil and wine a danarius being a day wage but I am not sure what such wine would be used for so I thought it might have spiritual meaning and oil too could be to still allow people to be anointed to preach the gospel to win people

Maybe church would like to have power to say that if there is no priest nearby a layman can become as priest even without ordination and if none nearby person can act as priest. Maybe the church would say that to have power but I can’t know if no priest near by and even you still alive and can’t help yourself to give yourself the sacraments God will accept acceptance of faith and confession of sins to Him but I don’t see they do.

But I suppose it is possible that it is and I should follow church incase so I will follow Orthodox Church incase it is His will and God may use me to witness to prove or use me but if not I would preach to follow incase but I don’t know it is required.

I believe it was wrong to seek to follow Orthodox Church as I should trust in God justice and I will not follow it as I should not make stumbling block as it is important for others to be watchful I don’t believe I caused people to turn away because if they wanted to if they were worried they would join the church but I should not continue to follow that path as others would understand before that I am just pondering worried to forgive it as maybe not serious but to be dedicated to it shows I do not care about others and because I may show I do not worry about others that they need to watch now so I will not follow Orthodox Church. If others are worried they can join church.

I believe I was wrong and Jesus requires total commitment that the bible is not against that when it says not to be overly righteous it just means that you should not tire yourself more than your ability to not have rest but a person can not serve God and mammon that where your treasure is your heart will be also that is what you will be dedicated to and you to put God first to make sure you are seeking first the kingdom and its righteousness to be repenting to surrender your life to make sure you are seeking to be doing His will and doing it and only after you have found Him and know to do you can have rest when you need it so it may be needed to follow that so one should incase and I will.

I believe rather it is wrong to teach that to put burdens on people and myself that God did not say. For it seems that can destroy oneself as spending time for yourself allows your body and mind to rest that it may be open to quiet time from God and makes you seem unreasonable to others and hinders your witness for judging so must be included in the meaning of being overly righteous as it destroys self. God only requires you to do what He has shown you to do which He gives ability to do. Not everyone is able or prepared to be a street preacher who have spent time with God and you need to do in a team with others to support you. If we are not able and until we are prepared we are called to live our lives among people to have goals to do things and work with them to have opportunity to preach to them. Those are added skills that may help bring more to kingdom one does not need to do everything one can learn just that you are doing something with abilities you have been given but one only needs to be doing at any time what he still has ability to do. But it is right that you need to put spending time with God first but you can do other things too if you have given God the time you need to spend time with Him to do other things so you don’t get tired and to share gospel.

As I explain here I believe one needs to abandon his trust in his money to sell what he has to follow Christ otherwise one trusts in one riches and not depending on Christ. And I believe to be repenting you have to surrender to Christ you can not serve God and mammon to be dedicated to both you need to totally commit to Christ. It is not wrong to do other things not for your pleasure but to aid the gospel things you can do if He has given you provision ability to do for sake to preach not for your selfish ambition but for Christ just what He provides as you trust in Him daily as you seek first kingdom He gives you as bible says not to trust in uncertain riches but in God who gives us richly all things to enjoy. The riches are uncertain as they can be taken away and also because those who trust in them to seek them do not have any riches remaining as the only true riches that endure forever are those of God. It is not that God means to enjoy material things but to enjoy the true life of God to enjoy partnering with God in work to labor with Him and enjoy any fruits of labor.

Thoughts on the danger of trusting in riches

I believe actually it is not wrong to have money as I explain in thread below but it is wrong to trust in it to trust in yourself to get you through difficulties because of your riches that you stored and not to trust God to supply as you follow Him and to be trusting that you are saved because you are rich even if you give money not your soul having relationship with God because of the atoning sacrifice He did for us when Jesus died for us being God. You have to depend on Jesus for salvation though you must still be righteous willing to share.

Thoughts on the danger of trusting in riches

I decided to get off forums as many stumble others they don’t want to receive others and truly support them they are fake Christians and you can’t know if you can trust this generation to even marry as I find they are judgemental and don’t support so I will not marry but others may not support and be lukewarm I haven’t found groups which really help so I will just have quiet devotion.

I did choose to get off because I had issues with other Christians and spoke against them for feeling they fail to support me by attacking my views but I also was disappointed that other Christians I see may not really be interested to help me as much to follow Jesus if they think I do not deserve help if I fell away from true doctrine to think I am fake Christian that they only help others and was disappointed. I was wrong and I want to return to forum now as it is a chance to share what I learn and to support others contributing.

I don’t believe in any churches that claim to have authority from Christ to judge other believers outside of their fellowship but since they claim to be truth and to serve others I think it is good to read their works just to show one is honest about one position that he is not avoiding truth to show it is not perfectly right and also to learn from others works from the good they have. It is good to learn from any Christian writer even if one agrees not with their position.

I believe I should only trust Christ as it is just as people can be attacked and do not all have chance to join church and as God is just He does not care one beliefs but one heart to judge what he has known for sure and trust scripture is sufficient but I think to read works of others only to prove it is not truth or they would be able to prove it without a doubt and to prove they are not needed to inform more than scripture though they could be helpful to show that they applied scripture and bring attention to it.

I decided I should not speak for God and it is people freedom whether they will trust in Christ to accept them to follow without church or to join church. But I think I should join church as others reject what I say alone and I find I can not effect others my behaviour is seen as bad and others don’t support me and criticise me and can not help me influence again to make me doubt and I think without being able to prove what I say is right I doubt my choice as I want to be sure I am in truth so I should join church. I will accept according to church you don’t need it if you are still alive and can not join church but to accept it in one heart but if you do not join you can die at anytime when you do not choose it and not have opportunity to repent to want to. I will accept that one can still be saved if he does not have chance to join church later it is up to church to prove otherwise. I seek to join church if it can help others in family. Because I am not sure that God wouldn’t want me to choose for myself though He may not believe it is right to prove as He allowed divisions for a reason I believe I should join church if it may help others and if God wants to prove He can.