I don't know where to post this since it's not a debate. My question is about not the Messianic Jews but the Orthadox Jews. How do they believe at the present about the afterlife, where they go? Do they believe in heaven or hell? Do they believe in atonement and does any still sacrifice animals like in O.T. or why did they stop. Or are they waiting for the temple to be built in Jerusalem then start sacrifices? Or do they believe it is enough to be a good person and keep the laws of God and keep the Sabbaths and love God is enough? And just one week a year at the day of Atonement is enough?
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I have some questions about salvation for the Jews
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Regarding the afterlife, Orthodox Jews believe that there are certain places prepared for the soul after it leaves the body. One such place is where the soul can repose, if it is worthy, until the Resurrection. The other is a place where it is purified with punishments if it bears sins that prevent it from enjoying such a repose. This is very similar to the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory, or the demon toll houses of the Eastern Orthodox.
The place of repose is known as the "Garden of Eden", and it has an upper level and a lower level. "Gehinnom" is where souls are punished. Just as there are levels of delight in the Garden, there are levels of suffering in Gehinnom.
If for some reason there is a soul that is not worthy of reward, it is punished until it is completely destroyed. However, the Talmud states that this will only occur to a minuscule minority of Jews.
As far as salvation for non-Jews, God granted them a divine soul (neshamah) which the Talmud says is somewhat like that of the Jew, but on a much lower level. The non-Jew is given the 7 Universal Commandments to follow. These are also known as the Noachide Laws.
A Non-Jew is not to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jew, nor is a non-jew to have a mezuzah on his door. A non-jew is allowed to study Torah, but is limited to areas of the Torah which will aid him in betterment of himself. Most of the Talmud is not to be studied by the Non-Jew. Non-jews are also not to use tefillin.
The Sabbath was a gift that God gave to Israel. He did not give this to any other people, and the unique elevation which a Jew experiences on the Sabbath is not fitting or intended for a non-Jew. This is why a non-Jew is not allowed to celebrate the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jews.
According to Orthodox Judaism, the souls of righteous gentiles will be allowed to exist in the future world, but only as an addition or attachment to Israel. They will therefore be secondary to the Jew in the world to come.
As far as sacrifices, these can be performed by Jews only in the Temple. However, there is nothing in written or oral Torah which forbids sacrifices by Noachides, as Noachides do not have to be in a temple to offer a sacrifice to God.
If you need cites for any of this information, write me and I will send them to you. Please remember that Judaism is not a cohesive religion in that there are many different opinions and interpretations of scripture. The above are certainly shared by most Orthodox Jews, and are helpful in understanding the Orthodox view of Scripture and Jewish law.
~cleopa
The place of repose is known as the "Garden of Eden", and it has an upper level and a lower level. "Gehinnom" is where souls are punished. Just as there are levels of delight in the Garden, there are levels of suffering in Gehinnom.
If for some reason there is a soul that is not worthy of reward, it is punished until it is completely destroyed. However, the Talmud states that this will only occur to a minuscule minority of Jews.
As far as salvation for non-Jews, God granted them a divine soul (neshamah) which the Talmud says is somewhat like that of the Jew, but on a much lower level. The non-Jew is given the 7 Universal Commandments to follow. These are also known as the Noachide Laws.
A Non-Jew is not to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jew, nor is a non-jew to have a mezuzah on his door. A non-jew is allowed to study Torah, but is limited to areas of the Torah which will aid him in betterment of himself. Most of the Talmud is not to be studied by the Non-Jew. Non-jews are also not to use tefillin.
The Sabbath was a gift that God gave to Israel. He did not give this to any other people, and the unique elevation which a Jew experiences on the Sabbath is not fitting or intended for a non-Jew. This is why a non-Jew is not allowed to celebrate the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jews.
According to Orthodox Judaism, the souls of righteous gentiles will be allowed to exist in the future world, but only as an addition or attachment to Israel. They will therefore be secondary to the Jew in the world to come.
As far as sacrifices, these can be performed by Jews only in the Temple. However, there is nothing in written or oral Torah which forbids sacrifices by Noachides, as Noachides do not have to be in a temple to offer a sacrifice to God.
If you need cites for any of this information, write me and I will send them to you. Please remember that Judaism is not a cohesive religion in that there are many different opinions and interpretations of scripture. The above are certainly shared by most Orthodox Jews, and are helpful in understanding the Orthodox view of Scripture and Jewish law.
~cleopa
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cleopa_of_emmaus said:Regarding the afterlife, Orthodox Jews believe that there are certain places prepared for the soul after it leaves the body. One such place is where the soul can repose, if it is worthy, until the Resurrection. The other is a place where it is purified with punishments if it bears sins that prevent it from enjoying such a repose. This is very similar to the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory, or the demon toll houses of the Eastern Orthodox.
The place of repose is known as the "Garden of Eden", and it has an upper level and a lower level. "Gehinnom" is where souls are punished. Just as there are levels of delight in the Garden, there are levels of suffering in Gehinnom.
If for some reason there is a soul that is not worthy of reward, it is punished until it is completely destroyed. However, the Talmud states that this will only occur to a minuscule minority of Jews.
As far as salvation for non-Jews, God granted them a divine soul (neshamah) which the Talmud says is somewhat like that of the Jew, but on a much lower level. The non-Jew is given the 7 Universal Commandments to follow. These are also known as the Noachide Laws.
A Non-Jew is not to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jew, nor is a non-jew to have a mezuzah on his door. A non-jew is allowed to study Torah, but is limited to areas of the Torah which will aid him in betterment of himself. Most of the Talmud is not to be studied by the Non-Jew. Non-jews are also not to use tefillin.
The Sabbath was a gift that God gave to Israel. He did not give this to any other people, and the unique elevation which a Jew experiences on the Sabbath is not fitting or intended for a non-Jew. This is why a non-Jew is not allowed to celebrate the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jews.
According to Orthodox Judaism, the souls of righteous gentiles will be allowed to exist in the future world, but only as an addition or attachment to Israel. They will therefore be secondary to the Jew in the world to come.
As far as sacrifices, these can be performed by Jews only in the Temple. However, there is nothing in written or oral Torah which forbids sacrifices by Noachides, as Noachides do not have to be in a temple to offer a sacrifice to God.
If you need cites for any of this information, write me and I will send them to you. Please remember that Judaism is not a cohesive religion in that there are many different opinions and interpretations of scripture. The above are certainly shared by most Orthodox Jews, and are helpful in understanding the Orthodox view of Scripture and Jewish law.
~cleopa
Shalom Cleopa. Is it a possibility that Noachides could start the sacrificing before this 3rd temple is rebuilt? I heard some talk about two years ago, that a certain sect of the Jews were wanting to get this started right away. I do not recall which sect of the Jews it was. I know that some of the Jews in Israel were very against doing this. Blessings, BHG
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cleopa_of_emmaus
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BHG,
According to Jewish Law, Noachides have never been under an obligation to cease animal sacrifice, since there was never any requirement that their sacrifices be offered in the temple.
I personally do not know any Noachides who do perform sacrifices, but I'm sure they are out there somewhere.
~cleopa
According to Jewish Law, Noachides have never been under an obligation to cease animal sacrifice, since there was never any requirement that their sacrifices be offered in the temple.
I personally do not know any Noachides who do perform sacrifices, but I'm sure they are out there somewhere.
~cleopa
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(edited post-I need to think before I type lol)O.k., do these Orthodox Jews also believe in the O.T., you know, Genesis through Malachi or Isaiah ? When did they stop following the sacrifices, when the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70? Is their hell the same as in the O.T.? Then heaven was like paradise, I think. On t.v. this rabbi was quoting scripture from Deut. but in Hebrew and the pastor was quoting it in English. What is the law of Moses called, the Talmud? Well how do they atone without sacrifices? And are they still looking for the Messiah to come that was prophesied about in the O.T. or is it a Torah?
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Debbi said:
yesThey stop them becuase there is only one temple of G-d
There is no hell in the Old Testment, it is a simply a place for the dead.
Belief on this varys, I believe many think there are two places in shoal(hell).
there is neither hell in the NT(accept once 2 peter),its extra biblical.
No,heaven is the home for G-d
As i said it varys
the torah(first 5 book of the bible) there are 613 laws taken from these books.The Talmud is commentary written by old Rabbi's,after Y'shua.I know vey little about the tulmud, other then some good advice from it
The best they can
Yes
I can not think of yeshua directly prophesied in the Torah.
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Genesis 3:15 was the first prophecy of the coming messiah, wasn't it? But I was mostly referring to prophecies in the Major and Minor Prophets about the coming Messiah.
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