I have changed my icon

[Mankin]

Some recent reading I have done have led me to question EGW. Thus I have changed my icon to Christian until I study this out more. I am still an Adventist but I just feel like I would rather be known as a Christian than a particular denomation. God bless you guys.

 

[StormyOne]

do what you must do, and do it without apology....

 

[Mankin]

do what you must do, and do it without apology....

Sounds like a movie quote. Thanks Stormy. I'm not apologizing for it, i was just announcing it.

 

[Mankin]

I am now almost certain that EGW was not a prophet. However I need to do more research on the pro side.

 

[tall73]

I am now almost certain that EGW was not a prophet. However I need to do more research on the pro side.

You have two options for that route:

A. Oldschool--there are a number of books on the White Estate site that could be read to defend Ellen. These tend to focus on details and context of statements.

B. Inspiration approach--looks at the presuppositions that we bring to the issue of inspiration, and what comprises a prophet. This would be more like Bradford and Thompson. You can find Bradford's book free online.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to read both. But you may as well start from the official apologists at the White Estate.


The issues and answers link above has a number of answers to common Ellen White issues:
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/issues.asp


A little dose of Herbert Douglas:
http://www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/TOC.html

 

[Mankin]

You have two options for that route:

A. Oldschool--there are a number of books on the White Estate site that could be read to defend Ellen. These tend to focus on details and context of statements.

B. Inspiration approach--looks at the presuppositions that we bring to the issue of inspiration, and what comprises a prophet. This would be more like Bradford and Thompson. You can find Bradford's book free online.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to read both. But you may as well start from the official apologists at the White Estate.


The issues and answers link above has a number of answers to common Ellen White issues:
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/issues.asp


A little dose of Herbert Douglas:
http://www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/TOC.html

Thanks for the links. I will be sure to look at them when I get the chance.

 

[annie1speed]

... I just feel like I would rather be known as a Christian than a particular denomation....

That is the plea of members of the church of Christ - be simply a Christian according to what the Bible says, not a member of a denomination with a man-made creed or set of rules.

 

[Mankin]

That is the plea of members of the church of Christ - be simply a Christian according to what the Bible says, not a member of a denomination with a man-made creed or set of rules.

Is Church of Christ the church that doesn't allow musical instruments? Sorry to sound negative, but I love rock music so I wouldn't fit in there lol.

 

[annie1speed]

I love rock music too. That doesn't mean I would enjoy it during a worship service even if we did use instrumental music. I guess I'm pretty traditional. It just doesn't seem reverent to me.

There is a guy who posts regularly in the Restoration Movement Forum who also likes rock music-plays, or did play in a band. Actually there's more than one now that I think of it.

We have our reasons for not using instruments. We can talk about it sometime if you are interested. For me the Biblical preaching and teaching is most important. We believe God didn't want us to be 'divided' amongst denominational lines, He wants us to just be Christians and do - live like the Bible teaches. My Adventist friend tells me we are a non-denominational denomination. But I think you - and he - understand my point.

 

[Mankin]

I love rock music too. That doesn't mean I would enjoy it during a worship service even if we did use instrumental music. I guess I'm pretty traditional. It just doesn't seem reverent to me.

There is a guy who posts regularly in the Restoration Movement Forum who also likes rock music-plays, or did play in a band. Actually there's more than one now that I think of it.

We have our reasons for not using instruments. We can talk about it sometime if you are interested. For me the Biblical preaching and teaching is most important. We believe God didn't want us to be 'divided' amongst denominational lines, He wants us to just be Christians and do - live like the Bible teaches. My Adventist friend tells me we are a non-denominational denomination. But I think you - and he - understand my point.

Cool. I'll pm you sometime

 

[Shizzle]

It just doesn't seem reverent to me.

Psalms 33:1-3 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous; it is fitting for the upright to praise him. Praise the LORD with the harp; make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy
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Psalms 149:3 3 Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp.

Psalms 150:3-5 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.

The clash of cymbals, dancing and shouting for joy, sounds like one of them there pentacostal churches.

 

[Mankin]

Pentacostal play low music while speaking in tongues. I know since I went with my friend to one of their services. It scared me quite a bit

 

[Shizzle]

Pentacostal play low music while speaking in tongues. I know since I went with my friend to one of their services. It scared me quite a bit

1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

Satan does not want believers speaking in tongues, he wants them to be ignorant about its significance in seeking God's good will. In the original church, everyone spoke in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

There are 2 things the bible means when it says tongues, one is a message from god to the people, that is either in a real language or needs interpretation, the other is when you pray from your spirit that sounds like babbling to the natural man.

Its Gods will that everyone may pray from their spirit, but only some people get messages from God in real languages they dont understand, or a message needing interpretation.

1 Corinthinas 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When we pray from our spirit, we can pray for hours on end, it opens the door to spend much more time with God. Just as the people who touched the ark and denied it was Gods working died, and the pharisees who seeked God but denied Christ was his working perished, so do christians today who miss the blessing of praying from their spirit, miss out on God's good will for them.

1 Corinthians 14:4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.

 

[annie1speed]

This is not the place for me to explain why I disagree with some of your interpretations of these scriptures, so I will bow out now.

Have a good evening.

 

[happywiththelord]

Hey Mankin...i asked before in another thread, but i forgot what thread that wasblush: ), i had asked you about the "Dark Lord" under your name. I had asked what it meant/what it was about. I dont know if you ever answered me, since like i said, i forgot where it was i asked you that. Could you please fill me in on what that means!? Thanks!!

 

[Mankin]

Hey Mankin...i asked before in another thread, but i forgot what thread that wasblush: ), i had asked you about the "Dark Lord" under your name. I had asked what it meant/what it was about. I dont know if you ever answered me, since like i said, i forgot where it was i asked you that. Could you please fill me in on what that means!? Thanks!!

If you have seen Lord of the Rings you would probably understand what it means. It's sorta hard to explain. It is usually the antagonist in a fantasy novel. No that doesn't mean I want to be an antagonist I just liked the title since I enjoy fantasy novels. Plus some of them are cool. lol excuse my geekiness.

 

[happywiththelord]

ah, your fine. i never saw those movies, so your right, i am lost. but thanks for the brief discription! i kinda get it now! we are all kinda geeky in our own ways! haha!

 

[Mankin]

ah, your fine. i never saw those movies, so your right, i am lost. but thanks for the brief discription! i kinda get it now! we are all kinda geeky in our own ways! haha!

Yeah lol.

 

[freeindeed2]

That is the plea of members of the church of Christ - be simply a Christian according to what the Bible says, not a member of a denomination with a man-made creed or set of rules.

I've read that book (Simply Christian). It was good.

I'm 'simply Christian', and 'simply Christian' is MORE than enough.


And, Mankin, I like the whole gamut of music. Relevance is key to worship. (I also play guitar, keys, and sing!)

In Christ alone...