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I have a question. I used to go to a Southern Baptist Church for 5 years. I have friends that are Presbyterian and friends that are Baptist.

I am confused. Please forgive me as I am very ignorant on this. Can someone help me understand what is the difference between a Southern Baptist, and a Reformed Baptist, and a Presbyterian in terms of doctrine and practice.

Thank you so much! God bless you all!
 

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well, for starters, Presbyterian practice infant baptism and see the New Covenant as a continuation of the Covenant of Grace through Abraham.

Thank you this helps abit. What does the covenant of grace mean in Presbyterian belief and how does it differ from reformed baptist?
 
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Thank you this helps abit. What does the covenant of grace mean in Presbyterian belief and how does it differ from reformed baptist?

If you are serious about wanting to understand the differences you should read through the Westminster Standards (Westminster Confession, and the Larger and Shorter Catechisms). Then contrast those with any confessions through the Reformed Baptist denomination.

In addition to this you can look up Covenant Succession and Peado Baptism as they are closely related.
 
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I have a question. I used to go to a Southern Baptist Church for 5 years. I have friends that are Presbyterian and friends that are Baptist.

I am confused. Please forgive me as I am very ignorant on this. Can someone help me understand what is the difference between a Southern Baptist, and a Reformed Baptist, and a Presbyterian in terms of doctrine and practice.

Thank you so much! God bless you all!

The questions are large, and I am scarcely equipped to give a thorough answer. For one thing, the religious bodies you mention are not uniform in doctrine or practice, though there may be trends and official positions.

One of the lines of doctrinal division is Calvinism/Arminianism in terms of salvation. Reformed Baptists (and evangelical Presbyterians typically) are Calvinistic in terms of salvation doctrine, and some in the SBC are Calvinistic while others are Arminian.

Another doctrinal division concerns dispensational and covenant theologies, with Presbyterians traditionally in the latter camp. Many Baptists are dispensational (and Pre-millenial), but many of those in the SBC do not seem to identify with dispensationalism. Most theologically conservative Protestant paedobaptists (infant baptists) such as evangelical Presbyterians adhere to covenant theology, and Baptists probably or necessarily less so.

Another difference traditionally concerns the liberal/conservative or modernist/fundamentalist debate from early in the 20th century. Mainline Presbyterians are generally liberal theologically (modernists), or tend to drift away from the (Calvinistic) Westminster doctrinal standards of A.D. 1648 (think John Knox and later Oliver Cromwell), contrary to evangelical Presbyterians who typically adhere to the Standards, with the SBC on the whole probably still closer to an evangelical rather than liberal position.

I believe the SBC has its own doctrinal statement.

Of course Presbyterian and Baptist church government form relatively standard and stable differences (and similarities). Baptists are congregational in church government form. Presbyterians are ruled by the Presbytery.

More recently, divisions have been conceived more in political terms over social and ethical issues--the role of the state in charity/poverty, abortion, marriage, homosexuality, the environment, and so on. Mainline Presbyterians and liberal Baptists have tended to be closer to the "evangelical left" while theologically conservative SBC folks tend to the "evangelical right," I believe.

Post Vatican II Roman Catholics tend to be closer to the "evangelical left" in terms of treatment of poverty, but liberal Protestants tend toward the "pro-choice" side in abortion. One may find oneself picketing with or on the other side regarding the same set of people, depending on issue.

One might add that the effects of Post-modernism, urbanism, pluralism, rising influence of secular and pagan thought in music, school and law, and a rising aversion to organized religion are all altering the Protestant playing field faster than I can keep up with any semblance of analysis, though certain great divides remain, such as whether or not Jesus is the Messiah in Nicene and Chalcedon ways.

As to practice, I suppose it best to look at individuals regardless of religious affiliation, though practice is an expression of actual underlying doctrinal beliefs. Yet even the best action can be motivated by evil desires, or even the least observable good work may be pleasing to God.

No doubt I have missed a great deal. I can only hope I have not misrepresented someone or some group, and I am painfully, though probably not fully aware of how deficient an answer to your questions my brief ramblings are, but perhaps they will be of some service to you nonetheless, at least by way of topical introduction or reminder.

Or perhaps in hindsight your question was more narrow.
 
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Southern Baptists - A collection of baptist congregations that have differing views. These days, they tend to be dispensationalists, modified Arminians (OSAS), who have infant dedications instead of baptisms, which they reserve for dunking believers. :)

Reformed Baptists - These are monergistic baptists (they believe in unconditional election). The individual congregations may still differ on some issues, but are probably more consistent than the SBC. Reformed baptists congregations are usually closer to the original baptist confessions than the SBC congregations.

Presbyterian - These churches share monergism with the Reformed Baptists, but are not dispensationalists. Presbyterians see a strong continuation of the old covenant to the new, and their practice of infant baptism is consistent with that view.

Wow... that required a lot of big words. I'm sorry. :)
 
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Thank you all so much for your good answers! God bless you. I have learned some good differences. So while reformed baptist may hold to a similar understanding of salvation as a Presbyterian they differ in the sense that the reformed baptist does not practice infant baptism nor have a covenantal view of the NT as the fullfillment of the OT as the Presbyterians do. Is this correct? Do reformed baptist hold to a southern baptist view of the Eucharist ie merely symbolic and as a reminder or do they hold to a more presbyterian view of the Eucharist ie being a spiritual communion of a sense and not just mere symbols?
 
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Some Reformed Baptists do hold to a covenantal view like the Presbyterians.


Really? Interesting. Do those reformed baptist who do hold to covenantal view also baptize infants as the Presbyterians do and see it as a covenant fullfillment?

Do reformed baptist have a distinction in their theology to allow some of them to hold covenantal views or are these reformed baptist not in line with thier Churches teaching.

What do Reformed baptist beleive about the Eucharist? Is it closer to baptist or presbyterian view on this?
 
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My impression is that reformed baptists are a minority of baptists nowadays, and that their doctrine swings either toward or away from Calvin in matters of the Eucharist and covenant theology, depending on the reformed baptist and reformed baptist church. As baptists, however, I doubt there are any who would perform infant baptism, though attitudes toward church members who were once baptized as infants may vary.

P.S. Apparently after the death of Frank S. Mead, others took up his task in providing updated editions of Handbook of Denominations in the United States, available via christianbook.com. And other helpful published summaries in similar fashion exist. You may wish to peruse such a volume concerning the questions you ask here.
 
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My impression is that reformed baptists are a minority of baptists nowadays,

Based on what data, you look around my neck of the woods and you won't find a general baptist anywhere :D. The truth is that reformed baptists are numerous across much of Africa and other parts of the world.

and that their doctrine swings either toward or away from Calvin in matters of the Eucharist and covenant theology, depending on the reformed baptist and reformed baptist church.

Though some may take ont he name, one is only a reformed baptist if one holds to a reformed baptist confession.

As baptists, however, I doubt there are any who would perform infant baptism, though attitudes toward church members who were once baptized as infants may vary.

Totally right! Some churches show grace towards others, some treat it as a cardinal doctrine and refuse to accept anything but credo-baptism by immersion
 
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Southern Baptists - A collection of baptist congregations that have differing views. These days, they tend to be dispensationalists, modified Arminians (OSAS), who have infant dedications instead of baptisms, which they reserve for dunking believers. :)

The Southern Baptists (or some of them) seem to be slowly sliding in the Reformed Baptist direction.
 
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