I have a question?

[StormyOne]

Even if Ellen did believe in trinitarism, it is not important. All human being are fallible. Not even the angels (messengers) are pure in His sight.

so that being the case, your question is important to us because what?

 

[GuardianShua]

so that being the case, your question is important to us because what?

My question was important to me because I wanted to join the Adventist Church! Because I cannot accept the trinity doctrine, I am not allowed to join the church. I thought that because the church was originally anti-trinitarian, that perhaps maybe I could join. I cannot accept the trinitarin doctrine because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church.

 

[sentipente]

My question was important to me because I wanted to join the Adventist Church! Because I cannot accept the trinity doctrine, I am not allowed to join the church. I thought that because the church was originally anti-trinitarian, that perhaps maybe I could join. I cannot accept the trinitarin doctrine because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church.

What you just wrote cannot be true. I am surprised you think you could pass this off as true. You did not wish to join the SDA church because of what it used to teach in the past. No one does that. People try to join organizations because of what the teach today. By that simple assertion you have shown who you really are. You would have been more convincing if you had said that you were a member and had discovered a problem with the Trinity doctrine and then discovered that the church was not always Trinitarian or if you had said that you are trying to show that the SDA church cannot be God's church because of the Trinity doctrine. Claiming that you wanted to join the church because of what it used to teach decades ago is nowhere close to the truth.

 

[GuardianShua]

What you just wrote cannot be true. I am surprised you think you could pass this off as true. You did not wish to join the SDA church because of what it used to teach in the past. No one does that. People try to join organizations because of what the teach today. By that simple assertion you have shown who you really are. You would have been more convincing if you had said that you were a member and had discovered a problem with the Trinity doctrine and then discovered that the church was not always Trinitarian or if you had said that you are trying to show that the SDA church cannot be God's church because of the Trinity doctrine. Claiming that you wanted to join the church because of what it used to teach decades ago is nowhere close to the truth.

I was attending an Adventist Church in Portland Oregon. I thought that I would like to join, so I inquired as to what their doctrine requirements were to become a member. need I say more?

 

[JonMiller]

You could find some of the 'historical' churchs. I think that some in the church are still anti-trinitarrian. In this community they are more likely to be found among the 'traditionals'.

We even had a hymn last Sabbath that was anti-trinitarrian.

JM

 

[GuardianShua]

You could find some of the 'historical' churchs. I think that some in the church are still anti-trinitarrian. In this community they are more likely to be found among the 'traditionals'.

We even had a hymn last Sabbath that was anti-trinitarrian.

JM

Are you saying not all are trinitarin. If so, how would I locate one that is not?

 

[JonMiller]

I beleive that there are some on this site (SDA forums at foru.ms) that are not. I would expect that in many SDA communities, that some of the older/more 'traditional' members are not.

JM

 

[StormyOne]

Are you saying not all are trinitarin. If so, how would I locate one that is not?

trinitarian as defined how?

 

[sentipente]

I was attending an Adventist Church in Portland Oregon. I thought that I would like to join, so I inquired as to what their doctrine requirements were to become a member. need I say more?

That had nothing to do with what the church used to teach. Don't try to defend that statement. It is patently false.

 

[GuardianShua]

That had nothing to do with what the church used to teach. Don't try to defend that statement. It is patently false.

Huh! You need to get out of the habit of calling people liers. Are you saying all the other 7th Day Adventist Churches dont have trinitarism as a doctrinal belief?Or what? Half do, and the others dont. Im listening.

 

[sentipente]

Are you suggesting that it is wrong to point out that a statement is false?

 

[GuardianShua]

trinitarian as defined how?

The Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit is another person, and not another name for God. If you have ever seen the statue of Jupitor, the Pagan god, it gives a trinitarian sign with if fingers. Trinitarism goes way back before Christianity. Instead of getting rid of it, they renamed it Peter, the disciple.

 

[GuardianShua]

Are you suggesting that it is wrong to point out that a statement is false?

Your sin is in prejudgeing without knowing the facts. Are you going to answer my other questions?

 

[sentipente]

If you have ever seen the statue of Jupitor, the Pagan god, it gives a trinitarian sign with if fingers.

So, you see an old statue with three fingers in a formation and you conclude it refers to a trinity. That's amazing.

 

[sentipente]

Your sin is in prejudgeing without knowing the facts. Are you going to answer my other questions?

I was commenting on the logic of your claim. You could not have been seeking to join a church based on its ancient teachings.

 

[sentipente]

Duplicate. Technical difficulties.

 

[StormyOne]

The Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit is another person, and not another name for God. If you have ever seen the statue of Jupitor, the Pagan god, it gives a trinitarian sign with if fingers. Trinitarism goes way back before Christianity. Instead of getting rid of it, they renamed it Peter, the disciple.

I would submit that humans really have no clue as to what The Creator really is.... none.... so I don't get bent about humans attempting to put into words what The Creator is... we have glimpses, but ultimately no clue....

 

[mva1985]

I would submit that humans really have no clue as to what The Creator really is.... none.... so I don't get bent about humans attempting to put into words what The Creator is... we have glimpses, but ultimately no clue....

Stormy,

You are correct we see through a glass darkly - no doubt about it!

 

[mva1985]

oops.... sorry i didn't mean to post in the progressive forum. i got carried away.

 

[sentipente]

oops.... sorry i didn't mean to post in the progressive forum. i got carried away.

Hey, we exclude no one. We love all our brothers and sisters.