I had a dream. . .

[Jerrell]

Except that love is from God, not Satan so something that involves love (like homosexuality) doesnt come from hell.

Love is not lust, and lust is not love. And Homosexuality is a lust of the flesh (Galatians 5:17-21). Christians are called to crucify the lusts of the flesh and to live in the Spirit.

Yes, God is love, but God is not sin- neither Abomination.

 

[HaloHope]

Love is not lust, and lust is not love. And Homosexuality is a lust of the flesh (Galatians 5:17-21)

I'm nopt entirely sure how you get homosexuality is a "lust of the flesh" from anywhere in the Bible, particularly Galatians.

If it said "For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want" and had added on the end "this includes same-sex relationships in all ways shapes and forms" you might have a case. But it dosen't.

Christians are called to crucify the lusts of the flesh and to live in the Spirit.

We sure are, it's a good job that monogamous homosexual relationships are something that are not a lust of the flesh really.

Yes, God is love, but God is not sin- neither Abomination.

We agree here.

But once again Homosexuality in certain contexts (just like hetrosexuality in certain contexts) is neither sin nor abomination. Hooray!

 

[Zaac]

But once again Homosexuality in certain contexts (just like hetrosexuality in certain contexts) is neither sin nor abomination. Hooray!

And once again, in no context do you have any Biblical support, but rather nothing but Biblical opposition, to the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex.

 

[Zaac]

Yes but I happen to feel a romantic love for my partner on top of that. So it is not comporable to a relationship that is purely "freinds" only to a hetrosexual couple or another homosexual couple.

That's neither here nor there. Are you lusting after this person?

Yeh you see, no matter how many times you personally tell me the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, I don't think it does. At all.

I have personally nevertold you that the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. It says that those sex acts between homosexuals are wrong. And notice you keep going back to what you THINK instead of what God says.

That's called willful disobedience.

And I'm not talking about people mis-translating the Bible to suit their personal prejudices either.

Then deal with the text and what it says. Show where the Bible does anything other than object to you having sex with a person of the same sex.

Except of course.. that is dosen't PLAINLY say anything of the sort

It does. But you're too busy dealing with what youTHINK instead of what God says.

However many times you wish to insult and degrade my relationship to being merely a "close freindship" you won't suceed because I know that it is JUST as normal, valid and acceptable to God as any hetrosexual couple who are married. Fortunately I am comfortable enough in my relationship and my walk with God to really not care what anyone else has to say on the matter. I know my own relationship thank you.

Some of yall are forever playing the victim. People who say they are comfortable in their sin give testimony to the condition of their hearts.

Corinthians 13-4-8 is always a good place to start.

Then ruminate on 1 Corinthians.

Except that I would never do that with my partner. Irrelevant.

Only irrelevant to the person who wants to ignore what God calls fornication so that they can feel comfortable fornicating.

Sex is an expression of love, a loving consensual relationship tends to have loving consensual sex (unless the people are a-sexual!). The Bible never condemns homosexuality, and it praises loving relationships. That is how I reach my conclusion.

Why are you so hung up on your orientation? I have at no time said that God's Word condemns you for your orientation.

But you certainly can't get around the fact that thesexual acts between you and someone of the same sex are prohibited.

You can lie to yourself. But it ain't gonna change God's decree.

See above. It's beyond a "best freind" relationship no matter how you want to twist it.

See SCripture cause outside of God's covenant marriage that a male and female enter into with HIM, you're still fornicating.

And this still has nothing to do with heterosexuals or homosexuals CHOOSING to commit acts that God says to not commit.

[/QUOTE]

Sure it is. You as a homosexual CHOOSE to commit fornicative acts with someone of the same sex. Are you now going to claim that somebody else is making you commit these acts?

 

[*Starlight*]

But you certainly can't get around the fact that thesexual acts between you and someone of the same sex are prohibited.

If that was true, it would mean that God is evil, because a homosexual relationship is the same as a heterosexual relationship. Treating them differently would be an unfair double standard.

 

[HaloHope]

And once again, in no context do you have any Biblical support, but rather nothing but Biblical opposition, to the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex.

There is no Biblical opposition to this.

 

[HaloHope]

That's neither here nor there. Are you lusting after this person?

Nope. Love yes, lust no.

I have personally nevertold you that the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. It says that those sex acts between homosexuals are wrong. And notice you keep going back to what you THINK instead of what God says.



That's called willful disobedience.

It dosen't say sex acts between homosexuals are wrong (really we could go back and forth like this all day).

I notice you keep going on what you THINK God says too. FUnny that. Im afraid it's all any of us can do, unless of course we actually are God.

Then deal with the text and what it says. Show where the Bible does anything other than object to you having sex with a person of the same sex.

It has been demonstrated many time on this forum how the verses used to condemn homosexuality refer to prostitution, pagan rituals and just general mistranslation. Seeing as youve completey ignored that time and time again it probably won't really help if I list it all once more. Just look at most of the other threads here.

It does. But you're too busy dealing with what youTHINK instead of what God says.

Erm.. your doing exactly the same thing from a different viewpoint.

Some of yall are forever playing the victim. People who say they are comfortable in their sin give testimony to the condition of their hearts.

When someone asks you to give up the romantic relationship with the person you love you have a right to "play the victim". Im not sinning, I am convinced Im not sinning (well of course I sin, but not due to anything related to my sexuality) . I am convinced God does not see me as sinning.

As I have said before the reason I am here (other than the fact I quite like to argue) is that if just one gay person struggling with their sexuality can read these posts and realize they can have a loving same-sex monogamous relationship AND be a Christian its a wonderful thing to achieved. I KNOW I am here for this reason as opposed to BELIEVING (just pointing out the difference between the two here) as I am me.

Then ruminate on 1 Corinthians.

Erm I'm not entirely sure what verse you are referring to here? Corinthians 13-1 or do you mean the whole of Corinthians Chapter 1?

Only irrelevant to the person who wants to ignore what God calls fornication so that they can feel comfortable fornicating.

I would argue only relevant to one who likes to enjoy self-righteously judging others to make them feel above them.

Why are you so hung up on your orientation? I have at no time said that God's Word condemns you for your orientation.

But you certainly can't get around the fact that thesexual acts between you and someone of the same sex are prohibited.

You can lie to yourself. But it ain't gonna change God's decree.

You can claim you know Gods decree. But in the end your not God.

See SCripture cause outside of God's covenant marriage that a male and female enter into with HIM, you're still fornicating.

I simply debate what some people would classify "Gods marriage covenant" as. Its quite simple. Im not debating God, im debating human interpretation of God.

Sure it is. You as a homosexual CHOOSE to commit fornicative acts with someone of the same sex. Are you now going to claim that somebody else is making you commit these acts?

Erm of course I choose to be ntimate with my partner.. you totally missed the point I was making, but oh well..

 

[Zaac]

Be careful how you present rebukes lest you make it look like you are casting stones.
Besides, don't make to many presumptions on what you believe my beliefs are.

I have no problem righteously casting stones. If you're going to reference Scripture, reference it in the context that it was given.

Wrong zacci. I was already against people condemning anyone.
What of the married man who divorces his first wife and takes another bride. It is adultery, but the man is not willing to leave his second wife? Will he not be saved? Is he not forgiven?
Matthew 19:9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Have you even read my posts. It seems not. God has opened my heart and mind to the feelings of others. He has given me discernment in an area where once I really only had my opinion, personal assumptions. You cannot judge anothers heart or their emotions. Glad you said that. I have already recieved that point long ago....

Of course I've read your posts. That's why I'm commenting. If you feel like you have wronged homosexuals, then by all means atone of it. But fornication is still fornication and it does not change just because we feel like we've mistreated someone.

Some have and in the real world too. If not purposely it is still coming across that way to others.

Really, you speak for all now?

Your statements presented you to be casting a net around all Christians so why not.

These thread are always about the LAW

Obedience to the Law that is Christ. How's that?

Have you not done so as well?

Did I say that I had not? As we have said in numerous threads, there's a difference between disobeying and repenting and not repenting because you don't think what God says is sin to be sin.

I never let feelings get in the way of God's truth. I am rather blunt.
You can lovingly rebuke anyone. But if you give them no way to turn things around and no example then you have done nothing, but drive them away from you and anything you had to say and this I say to your fault.

Neither I nor any Christian is tasked of Christ to draw men unto ourselves. I'm not attempting to drive them towards me. You give them God's Word in love in let Christ speak and draw people unto Himself.

And if folks want to get mad because what they think is refuted with God's Word and they thereby think that what is being said is hateful, I can't do anything about that. The issue is with God's Word. I'll be the scapegoat if someone wishes. But when they stand before God's throne, they will be measured by His Word, not mine.

"Holier than thou" attitudes do not turn people from sin do they?

Apolegetically accommodating their sin doesn't turn them away from it either.

You make it sound as if our Salvation is reliant on the law. Is that what you believe?

I believe what God's Word says.

Or is our Salvation only through the cleansing blood of Christ.
Is our Salvation by grace or by law?

What does God's Word say?

Disagree all you want sir. But it makes it no less true that what people are saying that is NOT biblical are hutring others.
Some concentrate so much on homosexual behavior that they don't even bother with other sins or their own?
Take the plank from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from your brothers. . .

And I do disagree. Because of what YOU have done in the past, you're now apolegetically trying to paint all Christians with the same brush. There are plenty of Christians in this forum who have doe nothing but give God's truth, and the ones who are averse to receiving that truth have attacked them as hateful and bigoted.

But if you're aligned with God's Word and affirm what He says about the committing of same-sex sexual acts, what are you coming at me sodeways for?

maybe not in those exact words, but the subject of hell does come up quite a bit. BTW I did not lump all Christians together or else I, myself would be lumped in that group along with a bunch of brothers and sisters in Christ who are homosexuals. . .

Why should hell not come up? Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone else in the Bible.

Matthew 7:1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

It's a decree to righteouslyjudge so what's your point?

What is your definition of sexual immorality?

My definition is irrelevant. What does God say?

 

[Zaac]

If that was true, it would mean that God is evil, because a homosexual relationship is the same as a heterosexual relationship. Treating them differently would be an unfair double standard.

Naah. That just means that you are so set on doing what you want to that you'd rather brand God as evil than brand yourself as selfishly disobedient.

How is it a double standard to tell the homosexual in a fornicative relationship that he is sinning if He tells the heterosexual ina fornicative relationship that he too is sinning?

 

[Miracle Storm]

I have no problem righteously casting stones. If you're going to reference Scripture, reference it in the context that it was given.

In what way did you have a problem with the context?
Did it offend you?
Of course you have no problem "casting stones" as you have made very clear.

Of course I've read your posts. That's why I'm commenting. If you feel like you have wronged homosexuals, then by all means atone of it. But fornication is still fornication and it does not change just because we feel like we've mistreated someone.

What in the world are you talking about? I don't even think you know for real...This is the quoted portion you were replying to...want to try again.

Wrong zacci. I was already against people condemning anyone.
What of the married man who divorces his first wife and takes another bride. It is adultery, but the man is not willing to leave his second wife? Will he not be saved? Is he not forgiven?
Matthew 19:9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Have you even read my posts. It seems not. God has opened my heart and mind to the feelings of others. He has given me discernment in an area where once I really only had my opinion, personal assumptions. You cannot judge anothers heart or their emotions. Glad you said that. I have already recieved that point long ago....

Your statements presented you to be casting a net around all Christians so why not.

No sir, I said "SOME"
Big difference.

Obedience to the Law that is Christ. How's that?

John 6:27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" 29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Did I say that I had not?

Nope, I asked you a question, you still didn't answer

As we have said in numerous threads, there's a difference between disobeying and repenting and not repenting because you don't think what God says is sin to be sin.

Ah yes, the "living in sin" accusation. . .
You think that gives you a right to boast?

Neither I nor any Christian is tasked of Christ to draw men unto ourselves. I'm not attempting to drive them towards me. You give them God's Word in love in let Christ speak and draw people unto Himself.And if folks want to get mad because what they think is refuted with God's Word and they thereby think that what is being said is hateful, I can't do anything about that. The issue is with God's Word.

No. the issue is with your interpretation.

I'll be the scapegoat if someone wishes. But when they stand before God's throne, they will be measured by His Word, not mine.

What will we be measured by? Just want to make sure how you are interpreting Scripture here.
If you are asked, "On what grounds should you enter heaven?" What would you say?

Apolegetically accommodating their sin doesn't turn them away from it either.

...and who does that?
I was speaking of a "holier than thou" attitude. . .

I believe what God's Word says.

Do you?

What does God's Word say?

I was looking for your interpretation before I share truth with you. So now is our Salvation reliant on the law? Are we saved by grace? Is our Salvation only through the cleansing blood of Christ?

And I do disagree. Because of what YOU have done in the past, you're now apolegetically trying to paint all Christians with the same brush. There are plenty of Christians in this forum who have doe nothing but give God's truth, and the ones who are averse to receiving that truth have attacked them as hateful and bigoted.

Would you actually take the time to read my posts?
How am I painting "ALL" Christians when I said "SOME"?

But if you're aligned with God's Word and affirm what He says about the committing of same-sex sexual acts, what are you coming at me sodeways for?

I'm not coming "sideways" I'm being very straight, no pun intended.

Why should hell not come up? Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone else in the Bible.

Not to those that were saved through HIM.

It's a decree to righteouslyjudge so what's your point?

My point, my point was this

Matthew 7:1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Are you having trouble interpreting?

My definition is irrelevant. What does God say?

I know what God says. I just would be interested in knowing your interpretation of what God says and so your defintion is very relevant here.

 

[Zaac]

Nope. Love yes, lust no.

If you're engaging in sexual acts outside of God's marriage covenant of man and wife with Him, then you've lusted and fornicated.

It dosen't say sex acts between homosexuals are wrong (really we could go back and forth like this all day).

Yes you can deny it all day. Doesn't change the fact that God's Word makes it clear that if you're having sex outside of the marriage covenant of Him a man and his wife, that you are fornicating.

I notice you keep going on what you THINK God says too. FUnny that. Im afraid it's all any of us can do, unless of course we actually are God.

Then let me suggest you look again. I can back up what I've told you God says because He says it first. Telling us what YOU think may be all that you can do. But I have the very Word of God.

And your lack of receiving His truth is because of your own hardened heart. The Bible in James 1:14-15 says :14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death

Your understanding is confused...ratheryou have not received God's understanding because your own evil desires want something else. And thus is born your excuse thatall we can do is think we know what God says.

It has been demonstrated many time on this forum how the verses used to condemn homosexuality refer to prostitution, pagan rituals and just general mistranslation. Seeing as youve completey ignored that time and time again it probably won't really help if I list it all once more. Just look at most of the other threads here.

It's been shown by God that the devil is a liar. And all of his machinations to bring confusion about what God's Word says are ineffective on the ones grounded in Christ.

Yall can continue to try and complicate God's Word because it gives you your evil desires. But His Word is as simple as what it says.

Your self-admitted confusion is not of God.

Erm.. your doing exactly the same thing from a different viewpoint.

Erm, what I've told you is in accordance withwhat Scripture says. What you're saying is what you WANT Scripture to say. But like you said, you can only think.

I trust God's Word.You THINK your way is right. He KNOWS His is right.

When someone asks you to give up the romantic relationship with the person you love you have a right to "play the victim". Im not sinning, I am convinced Im not sinning (well of course I sin, but not due to anything related to my sexuality) . I am convinced God does not see me as sinning.

Yep. God will only go so far in allowing you a chance to receive the truth. And then He will give you over to a reprobate mind and let you have it your way since that's what you want.

As I have said before the reason I am here (other than the fact I quite like to argue) is that if just one gay person struggling with their sexuality can read these posts and realize they can have a loving same-sex monogamous relationship AND be a Christian its a wonderful thing to achieved. I KNOW I am here for this reason as opposed to BELIEVING (just pointing out the difference between the two here) as I am me.

And one of the reasons I am here is to oppose that lie with God's truth. And the Bible says 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 2 Peter 2:18-19

Erm I'm not entirely sure what verse you are referring to here? Corinthians 13-1 or do you mean the whole of Corinthians Chapter 1?

Read the whole Book.

I would argue only relevant to one who likes to enjoy self-righteously judging others to make them feel above them.

Nice try, but it still doesn't change God's Word.

You can claim you know Gods decree. But in the end your not God.

That's why I stand on His Word He speaks for Himself. You can reject what He says. But His Word is what it is.

I simply debate what some people would classify "Gods marriage covenant" as. Its quite simple. Im not debating God, im debating human interpretation of God.

You can debate all you like. People debate their opinions. God's Word never changes and that's why you keep hearing the same thing while you continue to add to your "argument.

Erm of course I choose to be ntimate with my partner.. you totally missed the point I was making, but oh well..

Then you willfully choose to fornicate and it will be recognized as such.

 

[*Starlight*]

Naah. That just means that you are so set on doing what you want to that you'd rather brand God as evil than brand yourself as selfishly disobedient.

How is it a double standard to tell the homosexual in a fornicative relationship that he is sinning if He tells the heterosexual ina fornicative relationship that he too is sinning?

Do you believe that it's possible for two homosexuals to have a relationship without fornicating? If not, and at the same time it's possible for heterosexuals, then it is an unfair double standard.

 

[Zaac]

In what way did you have a problem with the context?
Did it offend you?

Nope. I just hate to see folks thinking they are making a point while missing what the text is speaking to.

Of course you have no problem "casting stones" as you have made very clear.

Like I said, it's best to stop referencing things if you don't understand why what you're saying is out of context with what the text says.

What in the world are you talking about? I don't even think you know for real...This is the quoted portion you were replying to...want to try again.

I know what I'm talking about, and said what I intended to say the FIRST time.

No sir, I said "SOME"Big difference.

You said some after the fact. That's the big difference.

John 6:27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" 29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

Nope, I asked you a question, you still didn't answer

Sure I did. You just don't like the answer you got.

Ah yes, the "living in sin" accusation. . .
You think that gives you a right to boast?

Who is boasting? Talk about making accusations. What the discernment of the Holy Spirit gives me is the right to proclaim God's truth in the face of lies. If you CHOOSE to do otherwise, do you.

No. the issue is with your interpretation.

If I quote God's Word and issue is taken with what God's Word says, the issue is with God's Word. And you staking claim to change that doesn't change it anymore than does the words of the ones who want to twist God's Word.

What will we be measured by? Just want to make sure how you are interpreting Scripture here.

What does God's Word say?

If you are asked, "On what grounds should you enter heaven?" What would you say?

What does God's Word say?

...and who does that?
I was speaking of a "holier than thou" attitude. . .

I was speaking of YOUR attitude.

Do you?

Yep.

I was looking for your interpretation before I share truth with you.

Then you'll look a long time. It's very rare that I give my interpretation for that very reason. As it stands and as it always has stood, my interpretation ain't worth a hill of beans. The only interpretation that matters is that of the AUTHOR and it is clear whose is aligned with what GOD says.

So now is our Salvation reliant on the law? Are we saved by grace? Is our Salvation only through the cleansing blood of Christ?

What does the FULL COUNSEL of GOD'S WORD say? I know you're yawning because you think you've made a point. But all you're continuing to do is make it clear that you don't know what you're talking about by trying to separate that which can't be separated.

Would you actually take the time to read my posts?

Read em.

How am I painting "ALL" Christians when I said "SOME"?

Maybe it's you who need to go back and read all of your posts if you want clarity to that question.

I'm not coming "sideways" I'm being very straight, no pun intended.

Naa. You've taken a page out of another recently departed from the board person's book.

Not to those that were saved through HIM.

If He did not speak it to those who were saved through Him, then no one else would know about it because they are the ones who told the stories and wrote it down.

My point, my point was this
Are you having trouble interpreting?

My point is this: Digest your own words for it is to you that they are most appropos.

I know what God says. I just would be interested in knowing your interpretation of what God says and so your defintion is very relevant here.

And as I've said, my interpretation isn't relevant. As a man of God, I am to lean on Christ for HIS understanding, not mine.

 

[Jerrell]

I do not see any reason why anyone would doubt or have questions as to how God feels about homosexuality. I've been told that God is Love, so love between homosexuals is from God. But the fact of the matter is that God calls homosexuality an abomination not love. Love is merely the title applied by mankind to the act and lust of the abomination. The bible repeats twice, plainly in the OT about homosexuality (Leveticus 18:22, 20:13). Even the Kings of Israel removed all homosexuals from their kingdoms each time their reign began- God himself even destroyed Sodom for their sin of Homosexuality, not just inhospitality. Paul goes further in the New Testament saying that God has given the homosexuals up to lusts for their own gender, because they have chosen the creature (created) over that of the creator. It matters not what some dream says- if the dream is contrary to the Bible, it means nothing- The bilble is the revealed written word of God- it's words matter most- not our opinion.

 

[Zaac]

Do you believe that it's possible for two homosexuals to have a relationship without fornicating? If not, and at the same time it's possible for heterosexuals, then it is an unfair double standard.

It's not an unfair double standard because I didn't say that. If you look at what was said to Halohope you will see that to be the case. I spoke of such a friendship.

If two people of the same sex want to be in a relationship and they are not fornicating, Biblical there is no wrong ascribed to the relationship. As is the case with a heterosexual relationship also.

But if there is the appearance of sexual immorality, or if there is lusting taking place, then something needs to change.

 

[Zaac]

It matters not what some dreams says- if the dream is contrary to the Bible, it means nothing- The bilble is the revealed written word of God- it's words matter most- not our opinion.

 

[tbird_energizerbunny]

Do you believe that it's possible for two homosexuals to have a relationship without fornicating? If not, and at the same time it's possible for heterosexuals, then it is an unfair double standard.

I think it's possible.

I mean, if they are both Christians, they shouldn't have a problem with fornication, as seeing they won't want to have sex til they're married, and that doesn't look as if that's possible unless they move with the Massachusettes people up there....

just my thought

 

[naotmaa]

But if there is the appearance of sexual immorality, or if there is lusting taking place, then something needs to change.

Does that apply to heterosexual couples as well?

 

[Jerrell]

I think it's possible.

I mean, if they are both Christians, they shouldn't have a problem with fornication, as seeing they won't want to have sex til they're married, and that doesn't look as if that's possible unless they move with the Massachusettes people up there....

just my thought

Did you know the definition of fornication includes homosexuality?

[SIZE=+1]porneiva [/SIZE]Porneia (por-ni'-ah);
Word Origin: Greek, Noun Feminine, Strong #: 4202

1. illicit sexual intercourse
   1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
   2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
   3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
2. metaph. the worship of idols
   1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

Did you know that God ordained marriage between a man and woman? It matters not whether the government allows them to marry or not, it's still against the written Word of God.

 

[Zaac]

Does that apply to heterosexual couples as well?

Yep. This is why we don't advocate unmarried couples living together.