I guess I am looking for anwers (UKOK)

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Yeah so UKOK sent me over here and so yeah, I guess I am waiting for him to tell me some doctrinall belevies or misconceptions of catholisism, but until he shows up, feel free to speak up for yourselves.

 

[Benedicta00]

UKOK is a she, not a he.

 

[nyj]

Typically, as per forum rules, we don't allow threads which target specific members. For the time being, I will allow this thread to persist, but the tone shall remain respectful.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Yeah so UKOK sent me over here and so yeah, I guess I am waiting for him to tell me some doctrinall belevies or misconceptions of catholisism, but until he shows up, feel free to speak up for yourselves.

Hi

Welcome to OBOB!

There is so much that can be discussed I wouldn't know where to start!

If there is something particularly on your mind that stands out to you, go ahead and ask and we will do our best to answer . .

Utok and you must have been talking about someting . . Just give us a starting place!


Peace in Him!

 

[Michelina]

What is your background, brother? That may help.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Protistant christian, non denominational, libral attitude withouth libral beleifes (if that makes sense) and I beleive in the bible 100% nothing more and nothing less.

I was stating a how the girl I am dating (Rachel age: 16) accepted christ, well she was raised catholic and I stated how she wants to become protistant cause she does not like the catholic faith. Since i was protistant, I told her about mybeilef and then I asked for her testemony. SHe baiscly didn't have any, so I told her how to accept christ and when I was praying for her (this was all over the phone) she accepted christ. She didn't tell me till 5 mins later cause she wanted to see if I could senese a difference in her- I did. The difference was that she had stopped crying and was really happy... not to hard to snese.

UKOK I guess ( i don't know) offensive when i said she was wanting to become protistant cause of her household. He parents are great parents and they pray together almost each night, despite the fact that rachel wasn't saved... Rachel is the oldest of 7 children, the 8th is on the way. Her parents are awesome too, but hardcore catholic. Do I think that is a bad thing? No. I mean I was willing to date a catholic girl. UKOK can tell you more in detail. I don't want to paraphrase her words and distort them.
There are many issues with the catholics I disagree with starting with the pope, to the personal issues all the way back to it's past. I can honestly say there is nothing that I like about the catholic religion aside from it's sacredness.

I am very openminded and I feel many catholics will go to heaven depending upon whether they have Christ in their life or not.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Protistant christian, non denominational, libral attitude withouth libral beleifes (if that makes sense) and I beleive in the bible 100% nothing more and nothing less.

I was stating a how the girl I am dating (Rachel age: 16) accepted christ, well she was raised catholic and I stated how she wants to become protistant cause she does not like the catholic faith. Since i was protistant, I told her about mybeilef and then I asked for her testemony. SHe baiscly didn't have any, so I told her how to accept christ and when I was praying for her (this was all over the phone) she accepted christ. She didn't tell me till 5 mins later cause she wanted to see if I could senese a difference in her- I did. The difference was that she had stopped crying and was really happy... not to hard to snese.

UKOK I guess ( i don't know) offensive when i said she was wanting to become protistant cause of her household. He parents are great parents and they pray together almost each night, despite the fact that rachel wasn't saved... Rachel is the oldest of 7 children, the 8th is on the way. Her parents are awesome too, but hardcore catholic. Do I think that is a bad thing? No. I mean I was willing to date a catholic girl. UKOK can tell you more in detail. I don't want to paraphrase her words and distort them.
There are many issues with the catholics I disagree with starting with the pope, to the personal issues all the way back to it's past. I can honestly say there is nothing that I like about the catholic religion aside from it's sacredness.

I am very openminded and I feel many catholics will go to heaven depending upon whether they have Christ in their life or not.

hi xtxArchxAngelxtx

Sacredness is a good place to start!

What gives you the sense of sacredness about the Catholic Faith?


Peace in Him!

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

As a chaplain assistant, I studied a lil bit on each faith the army represents, catholic being one of them.

Catholics and orthodox catholics have the most ecclessiastical supplies out of all the faiths.. like chalices and small things like that. However I also find a great deal of vanity within these items. Aside from the items, catholics keep the christian name sacred, something holy. I tend to agree with that about half the time...

 

[MParedon]

He parents are great parents and they pray together almost each night, despite the fact that rachel wasn't saved...

I hope I explain this right. But to be Saved one has to accept Jesus as their Lord Savior, right? Well, the Catholic Church teaches everyone to accept Jesus as their Lord Savior. So I can only suppose that she might not have an understanding of her Catholic faith, especially since she didn't have testimony of her own, then she might be weak in what she knows. I'm not trying to criticize her, but many protestants (or rather everyone) should know that there are many cradle-Catholics (people born in the Catholic religion) that are very weak in what they know, so it is easy for people to dissuade them from their religion, or for them not to have answers on theoligical questions, etc. (I'm one of those cradle-Catholics}

There are many issues with the catholics I disagree with starting with the pope, to the personal issues all the way back to it's past.

There are many things about the pope that people do not agree with. The starting point might be that Catholics believe that Peter was our first Pope. Here is a site that you might find helpful..
Peter and the Papacy
Another issue you might have is the Pope's infallibility. Many people misunderstand that. We don't believe that the Pope can not sin. He's just as human as the rest of us, what we do believe is that when he makes a statement on faith and morals ex cathedra(from the chair or office of Peter), then that is infallible.

Protistant christian, non denominational, libral attitude withouth libral beleifes (if that makes sense) and I beleive in the bible 100% nothing more and nothing less.

We believe in the Bible 100% too. And we believe what it says in 2 Thess. 2:15 and 2 Peter 1:20-21. There are other verses to cite, but those are a good starting point . I don't know if this helps, but you might want to consider what the early Christians did (the one's who listened to Jesus and his Apostles) before all of the New Testament was even written, much less put together. They didn't have a written New Testament to rely on, they had just oral teachings that were passed down.

Well, there is so much to go over and talk about and I'm sure you'll get some really great posts from other people in this forum. I hope you stay and discuss with us and I want to welcome you and hope you have a great time. .

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

catholics also have 6 extra books... which I would rather not get into.

 

[nyj]

catholics also have 6 extra books... which I would rather not get into.

It's 7 actually, but who's counting?

And they're not extra, they were there before the Protestant Reformation ever occurred.

 

[Bastoune]

catholics also have 6 extra books... which I would rather not get into.

Wrong (you should read the threads on the board addressing this issue). Protestants have seven LESS books. Luther removed them. The canon was well established by the Catholic Church in AD 393 and 397 (Councils of Hippo and Carthage.) The Bible is a Catholic Book... THE Catholic Book.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

like I said, and I will repeat, I would rather not get into it. Please take heed to what i have asked, thanks.

 

[nyj]

like I said, and I will repeat, I would rather not get into it. Please take heed to what i have asked, thanks.

Come on. You devoted an entire post to it. If you didn't want it discussed, you shouldn't have mentioned it.

That's like me saying "I heard you beat your girlfriend, but... I don't want to discuss it." and then raising objections when you respond to counter my comments.

 

[ukok]

xtxArchxAngelxtx! Hello there and welcome to OBOB...i am very pleased that you started a thread here...it's good to have you here.

My brothers and sisters in this forum will willingly help you with any questions that you have about the Catholic Faith...but first i must tell you that what you have been led to believe about Catholicism has no foundation in truth. We can go through all these misconceptions with you step by step and explain why we believe what we believe..if you are willing to listen...all that i would ask is that you be respectful...

now, as concerns the point that you don't want to mention about the 'extra' books...without getting in to the finer points....ALL bibles had all of the books that we find in our Catholic Bibles....it's just that at the time of the reformation Luther threw out the one's he didn't want in there!~ and voila...most protestant's don't know any different...i am a former protestant, i didn't know this either....and we can point you in the right direction for evidence of this, i'm sure, if you want to explore this further....

Once again, Welcome!...i have just got home (it's 10:35 in the UK) and i was delighted to see that you had posted here.

 

[jgaudino]

xtxArchxAngelxtx Welcome to our forum

Actually its 7 and its OT. The books were removed by Luther in the middle ages. MOst of the arguments for removingthem have been adequately refuted.

The NT authors quoted from the LXX or Septuagint canon 80-90 % of teh time so even if JEsus himself used a different canon the NT authors seemed not to have noticed or cared.

The OT canon is a complex issue for Protestants. Usually they are not well informed about the history of it and suppose that we "added" the books rather than the fact that Luther threw them out. He also wanted to dipose of James (of course!) and Reveleation etc.

Most issues between Protestants and Catholics/Orthodox boil down to authority and tradition (which could be argued is a subset of authority actually).

Sola Scriptura - or the Bible alone is simply does not work functionally. Scripture is “authoritative,” but it is not functional as AN “authority.” because it cannot CORRECT the errant interpretations of its readers, and it cannot enforce its doctrines. If the Church does not have the authority to define doctrine, and to bind Christians to accept those definitions, then at BEST it can present its considered opinion, which one can either accept or reject. In that case the ultimate doctrinal authority necessarily devolves to the individual

What good (practically speaking) is an infallible Bible if we can’t interpret it infallibly? Error is error, whether it occurs in the Bible itself (which is impossible!) or in its interpretation (which happens all the time).

Sola Scriptura (private interpretation) inevitably reduces to the fact that the supreme authority in the life of the believer is NOT Scripture itself, but his own INTERPRETATION of Scripture.

The ultimate doctrinal authority necessarily devolves to the individual, as I said before. The individual’s opinion, HOWEVER poorly informed, becomes the ultimate arbiter of truth.

Want to see the "fruits" of this chaos? Open your phone book to "Churches - Christian" where each listing is a "Bible Alone" church and each teaches different doctrine. You want me to REALLY believe that this is the work of God?

Peace - John

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

well I am not concerned about the 6 books, it's irrellevant to me which why I don't want to discuss it.

I do think that the catholic faith is based on truth, but I just feel that it has slipped away from it.

I plan on being straight forward. If I come off rude, then I am sorry, I just expressing my opinions and beleives, but I am not here for me to speak my mind. I am hear for you all to all to speak your mind.


Here are some point I either disagree with or need more info about:

- Praying to mary/asking for help from mary and other priests.

- Confession to priests

- Why Priest started teaching in Latin/bible was wrote in latin while the people only knew english back in day before king james.

- The crusifix instead of the cross (minor disagreement)

- The popes and the catholics hierarchys actions and reputation it has made for itself (the sexual actions and actions done because of it).

Lets just start with these for now.


Please speak your peace.

 

[marciadietrich]

Well, my main comment is that it isn't likely this 16 year old girl was crying on the phone because she's Catholic. It appears you are older and since this was via phone seperated. Two years is not much among adults, but between a 16 year old in high school and 18 in the military is a fairly wide gap in life experience.

So you're in the military, away from her so she's unhappy because of the seperation, and likely scared of losing you in one way or another (to another girl or that you might be injured or killed). So she assents to doing a sinners prayer, then is happy about pleasing you in doing that.

If she can recite from memory and half understand the Nicene Creed she might have a far better grasp of the Christian faith than you imagine. On some points maybe more than what you understand about the faith.

Marcia

 

[Michelina]

You are most welcome here, ArchxAngel. I believe you are speaking the truth when you say that you believe what the Bible teaches 100%. Because you do believe it, you will be able to learn a lot here with your new Catholic acquaintances.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

xtxArchxAngelxtx Welcome to our forum

Actually its 7 and its OT. The books were removed by Luther in the middle ages. MOst of the arguments for removingthem have been adequately refuted.

The NT authors quoted from the LXX or Septuagint canon 80-90 % of teh time so even if JEsus himself used a different canon the NT authors seemed not to have noticed or cared.

The OT canon is a complex issue for Protestants. Usually they are not well informed about the history of it and suppose that we "added" the books rather than the fact that Luther threw them out. He also wanted to dipose of James (of course!) and Reveleation etc.

Most issues between Protestants and Catholics/Orthodox boil down to authority and tradition (which could be argued is a subset of authority actually).

Sola Scriptura - or the Bible alone is simply does not work functionally. Scripture is “authoritative,” but it is not functional as AN “authority.” because it cannot CORRECT the errant interpretations of its readers, and it cannot enforce its doctrines. If the Church does not have the authority to define doctrine, and to bind Christians to accept those definitions, then at BEST it can present its considered opinion, which one can either accept or reject. In that case the ultimate doctrinal authority necessarily devolves to the individual

What good (practically speaking) is an infallible Bible if we can’t interpret it infallibly? Error is error, whether it occurs in the Bible itself (which is impossible!) or in its interpretation (which happens all the time).

Sola Scriptura (private interpretation) inevitably reduces to the fact that the supreme authority in the life of the believer is NOT Scripture itself, but his own INTERPRETATION of Scripture.

The ultimate doctrinal authority necessarily devolves to the individual, as I said before. The individual’s opinion, HOWEVER poorly informed, becomes the ultimate arbiter of truth.

Want to see the "fruits" of this chaos? Open your phone book to "Churches - Christian" where each listing is a "Bible Alone" church and each teaches different doctrine. You want me to REALLY believe that this is the work of God?

Peace - John

1 timothy 3:16