I give up

[Dayton]

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[Arikay]

Congrats.

So I have a question for you really quick since I assume you arent serious.

Do you think its ok for AIG to give you Half truths? Or to just plain lie to you?

Just curious.

 

[PhantomLlama]

It's the 'apparently' that puts me off.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Now, now, Arikay, we don't know for certain that he's not serious.

He could just be bitter at realizing the extent he's been lied to all these years. That's a pretty sharp sense of betrayal.

Now comes the long road to understanding that one can be a Christian without being a creationist. That means he's going to uncover all the other lies he's heard from the same people over the years.

Although personally, I do think he's yanking our crank.

 

[goat37]

It is useless to try to prove Creation to evolutionists, because there apparently is no evidence to support Creationism. so I give up. You win. I renounce Creationism.

I am assuming you are not serious, and are just irritated by the fact that evolutionists keep teling you that you have no evidence for your claims.

I don't hold peoples beliefs against them unless they are unjustified and have no evidence that stands up to scrutiny. Especially when the website they use to express their beliefs is full of half-truths and takes what science says and twists it around to something that it can disagree with.

Evolution is not a religion and IMO should have no /real/ effect on your beliefs. The people that were alive around the time of the bible did not understand science the way we do now, and had to come up with a theory that they could understand... so of course it was going to be simple due to their lack of scientific knowledge.

Evolution is the result of evidence, mathematical computation, and observations that helps us understand our origins. If God was the actual creator of the universe, he did it through evolution... Creationism is based on ideas that are impossible and have no evidence supporting it at all besides a book written by a scientifically inept culture. (now, they did have science then, and weren't bad at it... but I say inept as compared to what we know now)

 

[The Gunner]

I am assuming you are not serious, and are just irritated by the fact that evolutionists keep teling you that you have no evidence for your claims.

I don't hold peoples beliefs against them unless they are unjustified and have no evidence that stands up to scrutiny. Especially when the website they use to express their beliefs is full of half-truths and takes what science says and twists it around to something that it can disagree with.

Evolution is not a religion and IMO should have no /real/ effect on your beliefs. The people that were alive around the time of the bible did not understand science the way we do now, and had to come up with a theory that they could understand... so of course it was going to be simple due to their lack of scientific knowledge.

Evolution is the result of evidence, mathematical computation, and observations that helps us understand our origins. If God was the actual creator of the universe, he did it through evolution... Creationism is based on ideas that are impossible and have no evidence supporting it at all besides a book written by a scientifically inept culture. (now, they did have science then, and weren't bad at it... but I say inept as compared to what we know now)

Amen!!

Creation through evolution!

God is the ultimate scientist...He wrote the laws of Phyisics.

 

[TCapp]

Just because you cannot adequately explain it does not mean you need to renounce it. Nobody can explain (or even understand) how gravity works, either, but I don't need to renounce belief in it.

(I realize it's not a completely solid analogy, but it works for me.)

 

[wblastyn]

Just because you cannot adequately explain it does not mean you need to renounce it. Nobody can explain (or even understand) how gravity works, either, but I don't need to renounce belief in it.

Problem is creationism has been falsified, so there is nothing there to explain.

Btw, if this isn't a stupid joke you should read these: http://www.theistic-evolution.com
http://www.talkorigins.org

 

[revolutio]

O__o That's a first. Humility is nice though.

Just because you cannot adequately explain it does not mean you need to renounce it. Nobody can explain (or even understand) how gravity works, either, but I don't need to renounce belief in it.

(I realize it's not a completely solid analogy, but it works for me.)

Actually you can see the effects of gravity so you know something has to cause it. Something had to put the universe here or it always had to exist the debate is over what that something is.

Just because he stops believing in creationism doesn't mean he is becoming a Nihilist

 

[Jase]

Problem is creationism has been falsified, so there is nothing there to explain.

Btw, if this isn't a stupid joke you should read these: http://www.theistic-evolution.com
http://www.talkorigins.org

Creation hasn't been falisified. In order for it to be falisified, science would have to be able to prove something as fact, which it has yet to do.

 

[jon1101]

It is useless to try to prove Creation to evolutionists, because there apparently is no evidence to support Creationism. so I give up. You win. I renounce Creationism.

Congratulations. It's great that you have the intellectual honesty to admit when you no longer can rationally support a position. I must ask though, was this claim made in light of your disclaimer of not believing in evidence? If so, I'm afraid I'm slightly confused.

-jon

 

[Jet Black]

Creation hasn't been falisified. In order for it to be falisified, science would have to be able to prove something as fact, which it has yet to do.

you can't prove facts, but you can falsify. if you have some theory, then there will be predictions made by that theory. if these predictions are contradicted, then the theory is falsified e.g. the belief that the earth is in the centre of the universe and is flat, has been falsified, so geocentricism has been falsified. cerationism relies on a flood, which has been falsified, and so on.

 

[Grim Reaper]

C'mon Dayton, it's just a messageboard, don't let it get you to the point of renouncing what you held as truth.

You are not alone, I firmly believe in Creation and renounce evolution, I don't care what anyone else says, nothing has been proven by science, and no one is going to concede, hold steadfast and perservere.

Sure these guys got some pictures of skulls, and some exhaustive "inconclusive" evidence and theories, but nothing that sways me one iota.

Seriously dude, contend what you think is truth, even in the face of adversity, I mean if God said he created man the way his inspired word explains, then by God it's the truth and it's all we need to know.

Don't be sucked in by clever plays of words and murky evidence, just because no one will concede isn't a reason to denounce anything God has said or had inspired to be written.

Scripture says DO NOT be fooled by mans philosophies and theories, only God knows the 100% truth.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Congratulations. It's great that you have the intellectual honesty to admit when you no longer can rationally support a position. I must ask though, was this claim made in light of your disclaimer of not believing in evidence? If so, I'm afraid I'm slightly confused.

-jon

And it's intellectual honesty to believe in God, yet reject his account of Creation? Evolution science has proven nothing, that is mighty gullible to accept fallible theories perpetrated by man, that still to this day cannot prove anything.

 

[Siliconaut]

@Grim Reaper: Assuming you're a biblical "literalist", doesn't it bother you that your "literal" reading is just an obviously flawed INTERPRETATION?

Since God's OTHER BOOK - namely his creation - tells us he didn't just zap everything into existance but used step-by-step evolution as his tool of choice, one must wonder if he won't be ever so slightly put out with you for thinking him a liar and worshipping your own false idol...

Evolution science has proven nothing, that is mighty gullible to accept fallible theories perpetrated by man, that still to this day cannot prove anything.

Replace "evolution science" by "biblical literalism", and you got the idea.

 

[Arikay]

1) You do realize Evolution and Creation can go together. You ment to say creationism.

2) So when your interpretation of Gods word and Gods creation dont match you, you choose your Interpretation over gods? How interesting.

3) Do you believe the earth is flat?

4) Your last line is great, have you ever thought that it might apply to creationism?

C'mon Dayton, it's just a messageboard, don't let it get you to the point of renouncing what you held as truth.

You are not alone, I firmly believe in Creation and renounce evolution, I don't care what anyone else says, nothing has been proven by science, and no one is going to concede, hold steadfast and perservere.

Sure these guys got some pictures of skulls, and some exhaustive "inconclusive" evidence and theories, but nothing that sways me one iota.

Seriously dude, contend what you think is truth, even in the face of adversity, I mean if God said he created man the way his inspired word explains, then by God it's the truth and it's all we need to know.

Don't be sucked in by clever plays of words and murky evidence, just because no one will concede isn't a reason to denounce anything God has said or had inspired to be written.

Scripture says DO NOT be fooled by mans philosophies and theories, only God knows the 100% truth.

 

[Siliconaut]

As for "clever plays of words" and "murky evidence", I'll leave to religion what it's best at.

 

[Dayton]

C'mon Dayton, it's just a messageboard, don't let it get you to the point of renouncing what you held as truth.

You are not alone, I firmly believe in Creation and renounce evolution, I don't care what anyone else says, nothing has been proven by science, and no one is going to concede, hold steadfast and perservere.

Sure these guys got some pictures of skulls, and some exhaustive "inconclusive" evidence and theories, but nothing that sways me one iota.

Seriously dude, contend what you think is truth, even in the face of adversity, I mean if God said he created man the way his inspired word explains, then by God it's the truth and it's all we need to know.

Don't be sucked in by clever plays of words and murky evidence, just because no one will concede isn't a reason to denounce anything God has said or had inspired to be written.

Scripture says DO NOT be fooled by mans philosophies and theories, only God knows the 100% truth.

I didn't really renounce anything, I still believe Creation. I'm just tired of being attacked by evolutionists when I support Creation. I guess I won't post here anymore. I apologize for lying on this thread, it was wrong and embarrassing. Goodbye

P.S. I never got to get to 200 posts.

 

[wblastyn]

I didn't really renounce anything, I still believe Creation. I'm just tired of being attacked by evolutionists when I support Creation. I guess I won't post here anymore. Goodbye

P.S. I never got to get to 200 posts.

So you lied?

You should learn to detach yourself from your beliefs, so when we attack creationism you don't think we're attacking you.

 

[Freodin]

I didn't really renounce anything, I still believe Creation. I'm just tired of being attacked by evolutionists when I support Creation. I guess I won't post here anymore. Goodbye

P.S. I never got to get to 200 posts.

Don´t you hold to the "hate the sin, love the sinner" theology?

It is the same here - we do not attack YOU when we try to show that your position is wrong - proven wrong!