I give up.

[EveOfGrace]

No one can sow (work) and reap everlasting life/pleasure

For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Gal.6:8

 

I imagine God as a loving Father who will correct his wayward children until they do not need to be corrected anymore

Wayward children?  The adopted sons of God are those who recieve Him, in faith. But the scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those that believe. Gal.3:22 But as many as recieved Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:John 1:12.  For you are all sons through faith in Jesus Christ. Gal.3:26 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.Gal.4:28-31

Are you grouping all men, born of flesh or born of Spirit as children of the promise?  Those who believe, in faith, are sons of the promise. Blessed, as you quoted, not cursed.  The Holy Spirit seals the sons of God for the promise, not all are sealed. Not all are children who inherit the promise. What promise? Eternal life. It is by the Spirit, Rize, and not correction or punishment, or anything else. By faith, born again of the Spirit. 

You didnt comment on how the sacrifice of Jesus no longer remains when death has been destroyed.  How is it possible to be cleansed in the blood of the Lamb, clearly a sacrifice, death and pouring out of blood, when the last enemy, death is destroyed? The curse in no longer present after judgement, (Rev.22:3) and sins wages have been paid.

You could however, invent a redemption plan through correction/punishment which is what you have to do in order that all will be saved and enter into the New Jeruselem. You cannot continue the redemption by Jesus blood, paid as debt for sin,(the curse of death) once that death has been destroyed and the curse no longer remains. Redemption through correction is not recorded in scripture and therefore not to be believed as biblical truth. But it can be believed, just as anything one hears can be believed.  As biblical truth?  No. As invention of men? Yes.

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Yesterday at 10:49 PM EveOfGrace said this in Post #101

For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Gal.6:8

 

That's aionios life   So is salvation by works then?  Sowing to the spirit to reap everlasting life?  No, it's by faith and grace so no man can boast.  My point is that no man can warrant by his own works everlasting life.  Can any man warrant by his works everlasting torment?

Gal 6:8 I think, is further clarified by 1 Corinthians 3:10-15.  Just because a person sows to his flesh and reaps corruption does not mean that he himself will be destroyed.

Yesterday at 10:49 PM EveOfGrace said this in Post #101

Wayward children?  The adopted sons of God are those who recieve Him, in faith. But the scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those that believe. Gal.3:22 But as many as recieved Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:John 1:12.  For you are all sons through faith in Jesus Christ. Gal.3:26 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.Gal.4:28-31

Are you grouping all men, born of flesh or born of Spirit as children of the promise?  Those who believe, in faith, are sons of the promise. Blessed, as you quoted, not cursed.  The Holy Spirit seals the sons of God for the promise, not all are sealed. Not all are children who inherit the promise. What promise? Eternal life. It is by the Spirit, Rize, and not correction or punishment, or anything else. By faith, born again of the Spirit. 

You didnt comment on how the sacrifice of Jesus no longer remains when death has been destroyed.  How is it possible to be cleansed in the blood of the Lamb, clearly a sacrifice, death and pouring out of blood, when the last enemy, death is destroyed? The curse in no longer present after judgement, (Rev.22:3) and sins wages have been paid.

You could however, invent a redemption plan through correction/punishment which is what you have to do in order that all will be saved and enter into the New Jeruselem. You cannot continue the redemption by Jesus blood, paid as debt for sin,(the curse of death) once that death has been destroyed and the curse no longer remains. Redemption through correction is not recorded in scripture and therefore not to be believed as biblical truth. But it can be believed, just as anything one hears can be believed.  As biblical truth?  No. As invention of men? Yes.

Yes, wayward children.  This may be hard for you to believe, but God so loved the world that He sent His only son...  God loves the goats and the sheep.  And in some parables, the good shepherd for example, we're all referred to as sheep, only some of the sheep have gone astray.

Yes, born again Christians are sons of God in a way that ordinary people are not, but we are all God's children regardless.  And even if we weren't, God still loves us.

As for the death being abolished and the sacrifice of Jesus being destroyed with death, I think you're reading into things a bit much.  When death is destroyed, I think that means that people will no longer die, it doesn't mean that suddenly, no death has ever happened in the past.  I don't claim to know what is going on in the book of Revelation, but I know that all will be made alive in Christ (1 Cor 15:22).  I know that God has bound all men up in disobedience so that He may have mercy on all (Romans 11:32).  I know that love does no harm to its neighbor and that God is love (Romans 13:10 and 1 John 4:8).  I know that love never fails, God desires (KJV wills) that all be saved and that God works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will (1 Cor 13:8, 1 Timothy 2:3-4, Ephesians 1:10-11).  And finally, I know that some day ever knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jeus is Lord (which can only be done by the Holy Spirit; 1 Cor 12:3) and this to the glory of the Father (Philippians 2:9-11).  This Gospel will be preached to the dead if necessary (1 Peter 4:6) and to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:18-20) because God will do whatever it takes to save everyone.

God loves us even if we don't love Him (1 John 4:19).

The invention of men is that God will burn unrepentant sinners forever.  I'll grant that annihilation is possible, but eternal torment is a ridiculous pagan lie.

Have you ever tried to answer the questions without answers?

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.html