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I drink a lot, I guess, compared to what "normal" people drink. If I drink, it's Jack Daniels, and I get two double shots (bottles) from the liquor store or sometimes I get a big bottle of it. I drink and get drunk about 4 or so nights a week, but I go to work every day (I have to be there at 8am, and I'm not late). I have started drinking more often since I moved out on my own, but I have really started drinking more in the past week. My mom found out that her cancer (leukemia) came back. I'm really stressed about that (and other things, but that most of all). The thing is, since I don't miss work because of it, do I really have a problem with drinking?
 

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I drink a lot, I guess, compared to what "normal" people drink. If I drink, it's Jack Daniels, and I get two double shots (bottles) from the liquor store or sometimes I get a big bottle of it. I drink and get drunk about 4 or so nights a week, but I go to work every day (I have to be there at 8am, and I'm not late). I have started drinking more often since I moved out on my own, but I have really started drinking more in the past week. My mom found out that her cancer (leukemia) came back. I'm really stressed about that (and other things, but that most of all). The thing is, since I don't miss work because of it, do I really have a problem with drinking?

While I was still actively drinking, I never lost a job due to drinking. I never got a DUI. I never beat my wife or kids. I never woke up in a strange place, wondering how I got there. I have been reasonably successful in business and had been appointed to leadership roles in church. But I knew that I was different from other people. It was not easy to admit that I was an alcoholic, but I finally did, and I have since recovered.

Not all alcoholics are the "skid row" variety, in fact most are not. I know of many "normal" looking people who also admit that they are alcoholics. But we all have had something in common, when we take our first drink, we crave more, and if we try to stop taking the first drink, we become restless, irritable, and discontent, until we finally take the only thing that will calm us, our first drink. Then it starts all over again. Many of us have gone to extraordinary lengths to prove that we could drink like normal people, only to wake up the next morning wondering how this could happen again.

The good news is that I have found a solution, one that makes it possible for me to no longer think about taking that first drink. I didn't have to swear it off, I just dont think about anymore.

I don't know if you have a problem with drinking, but if you are an alcoholic, you will have a problem unless you find a solution.

So the real question you should ask is: What does it mean to be alcoholic, and am I an alcoholic? If you are interested in finding the answer to this, let me know.
 
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Four nights a week, maybe more since you set up on your own, and drinking in response to your mother's condition are not good signs. (It's not as if you drinking is going to help her!) Consider Devonian's post carefully; and try doing without for a week and see how it goes. You might also check out the AA website and take their self-test. Even if you score low, give some real thought to your "Yes" answers.
 
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While you might not think its effecting different parts of your life now, later on down the road it really can start having horrible effects on your job, social life, and your body. Please get yourself help now :pray:
 
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...try doing without for a week and see how it goes...

This is a good idea!

Something to consider while you do it: If you succeed, did you count the days until the week was over. If you succeed, it could mean one of two things: you may not be alcoholic, or you have just gone to an extraordinary length to prove you are normal. I tried and succeeded with this test many times, but I finally admitted that I had an inner battle every time I did it. On the outside, I appeared normal, but on the inside I was hurting.


"...it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could drink like other people. The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death." (Pg. 30 AA)
 
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While I was still actively drinking, I never lost a job due to drinking. I never got a DUI. I never beat my wife or kids. I never woke up in a strange place, wondering how I got there. I have been reasonably successful in business and had been appointed to leadership roles in church. But I knew that I was different from other people. It was not easy to admit that I was an alcoholic, but I finally did, and I have since recovered.

Not all alcoholics are the "skid row" variety, in fact most are not. I know of many "normal" looking people who also admit that they are alcoholics. But we all have had something in common, when we take our first drink, we crave more, and if we try to stop taking the first drink, we become restless, irritable, and discontent, until we finally take the only thing that will calm us, our first drink. Then it starts all over again. Many of us have gone to extraordinary lengths to prove that we could drink like normal people, only to wake up the next morning wondering how this could happen again.

The good news is that I have found a solution, one that makes it possible for me to no longer think about taking that first drink. I didn't have to swear it off, I just dont think about anymore.

I don't know if you have a problem with drinking, but if you are an alcoholic, you will have a problem unless you find a solution.

So the real question you should ask is: What does it mean to be alcoholic, and am I an alcoholic? If you are interested in finding the answer to this, let me know.

Yes, I do want to know what exactly it means to be an alcoholic. I mean, I figured that if I was an alcoholic, I would be calling in to work because of hangovers and it would affect my social life and my work life. But, I noticed you said you never woke up and didn't know where you were...I have done things similar to that (not lately, though). I have called people or talked to people or sent emails or IM'ed people and the next morning I don't remember doing it or I can't remember if I did it or not. But, I have never had a DUI, although I have gotten tickets when I was drunk but they never gave me a sobriety test. Let's just say that I could have had a few if I would have had to take the sobriety test (probably 3 at least...I have had 14 tickets total not including parking tickets, and at least 3 of those times I was at least a little tipsy).
 
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Yes, I do want to know what exactly it means to be an alcoholic. I mean, I figured that if I was an alcoholic, I would be calling in to work because of hangovers and it would affect my social life and my work life. But, I noticed you said you never woke up and didn't know where you were...I have done things similar to that (not lately, though). I have called people or talked to people or sent emails or IM'ed people and the next morning I don't remember doing it or I can't remember if I did it or not. But, I have never had a DUI, although I have gotten tickets when I was drunk but they never gave me a sobriety test. Let's just say that I could have had a few if I would have had to take the sobriety test (probably 3 at least...I have had 14 tickets total not including parking tickets, and at least 3 of those times I was at least a little tipsy).


My belief is if you have to ask if your alcohol consumption is a problem, then it is a problem. Social drinkers don't question their drinking behaviors.

I never missed work because of my drinking. I never got a DUI, or in an accident.

It looks like you are using alcohol to help you get through a difficult time, and from the sounds of it, you are probably physically dependent on it by now.

I would suggest you read the AA Big Book and learn a little about alcoholism. It is available online. You can also find AA meetings and learn about AA at their website: www.aa.org

I hope you will check out that website and learn about alcoholism.

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Yes, I do want to know what exactly it means to be an alcoholic. I mean, I figured that if I was an alcoholic, I would be calling in to work because of hangovers and it would affect my social life and my work life. But, I noticed you said you never woke up and didn't know where you were...I have done things similar to that (not lately, though). I have called people or talked to people or sent emails or IM'ed people and the next morning I don't remember doing it or I can't remember if I did it or not. But, I have never had a DUI, although I have gotten tickets when I was drunk but they never gave me a sobriety test. Let's just say that I could have had a few if I would have had to take the sobriety test (probably 3 at least...I have had 14 tickets total not including parking tickets, and at least 3 of those times I was at least a little tipsy).

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First of all, what a person does when they are drunk does not determine if they are an alcoholic. Anybody who drinks a lot will do stupid things... get DUI's... say things they are sorry they said... done things they wish they hadnt... but that does not mean they are an alcoholic. Stupid drunk behavior isnt reserved for only alcoholics.

The disease of alcoholism is a two part disease. It affects our body and our mind. A prominent addictions physician in the 1930's described the physical part this way:

" We believe, and so suggested a few years ago, that the action of alcohol on these chronic alcoholics is a manifestation of an allergy; that the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in the average temperate drinker. These allergic types can never safely use alcohol in any form at all; and once having formed the habit and found they cannot break it, once having lost their self-confidence, their reliance upon things human, their problems pile up on them and become astonishingly difficult to solve." (Pg.xxviii, AA)

Let's look at this statement. First, it says it is like an alergy. But unlike other alergies that can be seen, like hives or a rash, it causes a phenomenon of craving. So, for example, my nephew has an alergy to peanuts. If he eats peanuts, his throat swells up, and immediately needs a shot of medicine to prevent suffocation. Everyone around him can see this reaction and noone questions that he has an alergic reaction. For alcoholics, we experience a phenomenon of craving. It is not obvious to others around us, but we feel it. A good test for this is to step over to the nearest bar and try some controlled drinking. Try to drink and stop abruptly. Try this more than once. It will not take you long to decide, if you are honest with yourself.

Another thing I want to point out is that the doctor said, "the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in the average temperate drinker". So this means if you ever have this craving, it is extremely likely you have the physical component of alcoholism.

Keep in mind, this physical component is biological and many believe it is genetic. So, admitting to this does not mean you are any more weak than anyone who has any other alergy. It is something that alcoholics are born with.

This brings us to the mental part of the disease. I stated part of it in a previous posting:

"...it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could drink like other people. The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death." (Pg. 30 AA)

Here, we learn that we have an obsession to try to control our drinking. Again, using the example of my nephew. He does not wonder if he could try peanut butter. He does not try to eat just one peanut an hour. He does not think that eating peanuts along with other foods would be ok. He simply does not eat anything that has peanuts in it. But we alcoholics try all different things to prove we can drink like other people. We switch to beer, or wine. We only drink mixed drinks. We say we will only have one drink an hour, or only drink with friends, or only drink with dinner. But, if you have the physical part, these experiments often end the same way... you will drink more than you intended.

I also learned that:
"Despite all we can say, many who are real alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every form of self-deception and experimentation, they will try to prove themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic." (Pg. 31, AA)

So, if you are like us, you have tried to prove that you don't really have a problem, that you can control and enjoy your drinking.

A good test for this is:
"If anyone questions whether he has entered this dangerous area, let him try leaving liquor alone for one year. If he is a real alcoholic and very far advanced, there is scant chance of success. In the early days of our drinking we occasionally remained sober for a year or more, becoming serious drinkers again later. Though you may be able to stop for a considerable period, you may yet be a potential alcoholic. We think few, to whom this book will appeal, can stay dry anything like a year. Some will be drunk the day after making their resolutions; most of them within a few weeks." (Pg. 34, AA)

As I mentioned in my earlier posting, pay attention to your mental state. If you are counting down the days until you can drink again, you are not like my nephew and his peanut alergy. You may have the mental part of the disease.

If I have described you, and you want to find a solution, one is available, and I would be happy to help you find it. It's not as difficult as you might think.
 
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I could not imagine going a YEAR without drinking. I read the earlier post about going a week without it and I think that is feasible in my mind. But the thought of going a year without it seems impossible : (

Nobody in AA started out the program being able to imagine a year without alcohol. Yet, many of my friends have gone decades without a drink. We did it one day at a time. I make a decision, TODAY not to drink. I worry about not drinking tomorrow, TOMORROW. Right now, I focus on not drinking today only. At times, in the very first days, I took it one hour at a time. The longest time I went without a drink was a little over 8 years. ONE DAY AT A TIME.

I learned to not drink by attending AA and working the 12 Steps of the program. You can do it, if you want to. The people in AA want to show newcomers how to stop drinking and stay stopped.
 
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I could not imagine going a YEAR without drinking. I read the earlier post about going a week without it and I think that is feasible in my mind. But the thought of going a year without it seems impossible : (

I understand.

The first time I had alcohol, I thought it was wonderful. The thought that crossed my mind was, Where do I get more of this and how do I make sure I don't run out? For me, alcohol was the solution to my problems. It took away all the pain in my life. I felt free. I felt relaxed. I was happy. I did not want that feeling to go away. It was a great solution, until one day it stopped being a solution, and became a problem. I wanted to believe that I could continue to drink because I didn't think I could bear living the rest of my life without it.

But I want to assure you that there is a better solution, and it's not as hard as you might think. I now can face each day happy, joyous, and free. And the best part is that I did not have to fight alcohol. When I learned a better way, the desire to drink just left me. I know that sounds too good to be true, but it is, and I know of many people who also say the same thing.

So, you appear to have answered the second part of the test for alcoholism. What about the first part? Are you able to reliably stop after having a few drinks? Are you able to go to a party with the desire to only have a few drinks, but end up drunk? Can you relate to the craving for more, once you have started?
 
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i have a problem with drinking myself...but i drink beer...beer may not have the alcohol content but i know i have a problem with it...i used to never drink at all until my mid 20s....i wish i never got the taste of it bc i drink about 3 nights a week...enough to not feel good the next day...i work for myself so i can work late...but its not good sometimes bc i dont perform my work as good if i got drunk the night before.....i have to set goals for myself and i am doing better..but its like someone told me drinking is like a train coming to a stop...it doesnt stop right away but it does eventually come to a stop if the brakes are applied....i guess he means that the brakes can mean doing something constructive with our time such as weight training instead of drinking...but that is one of many examples...but im no doctor so i dont know....maybe fasting can be a way to stop and let our bodies detox themselves...best of luck to you
 
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Normal people can take a drink, but don't like the feeling of what drugs/alcohol do to them. They can stop at one and never drink again. Addicts or soon to be addicts like what it does to them, and continue drinking or drugging into blackouts, and eventually Addiction.

Progression is needing more to get the same affects ( the brain finds the original amout normal and needs more to produce the dopamine release into the neurons).

Some people move faster, some can go on for years at one of these stages below and all of a sudden go straight to the Addiction stage.



Some drugs we have seen go right into the Addiction stage after one use.

Experimentation:Use is occasional, and most people are able to quit on their own. However, many choose to continue because they like the feeling they get from drugs and alcohol.

Regular Use: In this stage, the use of substances becomes more frequent, and the individual may begin to do it alone.

Problem or Risky Use: As the name suggests, the third stage is when individuals begin to suffer negative consequences from drugs/alcohol, such as black outs!

Dependence:When an individual reaches the dependence stage, they no longer seem to care whether they suffer negative consequences. Some of the specific criteria for being dependent on drugs and alcohol include an increased tolerance to the substance, withdrawal symptoms when trying to reduce usage, and extremely irresponsible behaviors, such as losing a job.

Addiction: The person is no longer capable of controlling any aspect of it, and their life revolves around the substance. Obvious physical and mental changes have occurred.


Some people seek help at the problem stage, some are in denial until they reach the Addiction stage ( like me). Some die.....
 
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i have to set goals for myself and i am doing better..but its like someone told me drinking is like a train coming to a stop...it doesnt stop right away but it does eventually come to a stop if the brakes are applied....

This may be good advice for a person who is not an alcoholic, but for an alcoholic, like myself, I believe that it is very bad advice. I think that it implies that willpower can help an alcoholic.

Alcoholism is a disease of the body and mind. Recovery is possible, but time after time it has been demostrated that willpower is very ineffective in recovery. It is important to first acknowlege the problem, identify the solution, get down to causes and conditions, and apply the solution.
 
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i have a problem with drinking myself...but i drink beer...beer may not have the alcohol content but i know i have a problem with it...i used to never drink at all until my mid 20s....i wish i never got the taste of it bc i drink about 3 nights a week...enough to not feel good the next day...i work for myself so i can work late...but its not good sometimes bc i dont perform my work as good if i got drunk the night before.....i have to set goals for myself and i am doing better..but its like someone told me drinking is like a train coming to a stop...it doesnt stop right away but it does eventually come to a stop if the brakes are applied....i guess he means that the brakes can mean doing something constructive with our time such as weight training instead of drinking...but that is one of many examples...but im no doctor so i dont know....maybe fasting can be a way to stop and let our bodies detox themselves...best of luck to you


AA is full of people who drank beer. My dad was an alcoholic, and he drank beer. Alcohol is alcohol. Some people relapse on Nyquil or mouthwash, both have alcohol. The amount of alcohol in the drink is not the problem. The alcohol itself, in any quantity is the problem.

In AA, we have a saying. It's the first drink that gets you drunk. That means it does not matter what you drink, or your intentions, you cannot get drunk unless you take the first drink. After the first drink, all reasoning and good intentions fly out the window and a normal alcoholic will drink to excess. Maybe not the first time, but eventually, the alcoholic will be getting drunk without a program and support.

Trish
 
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