I dont feel guilty when I touch..problem?

[technofox]

Lot of people say it is sin, lot of people says it is not. A lot of people say with the kind of boderline not sure of sin's to listen to your conscience. I have done research and I get the same answer. Some people say it is a gift from god to use to control ourself to not have immoral sex. Others say it is a sin against the body because the spirity is in it. The bible does not say anything specific. The problem is I just do not feel guilty about it. It keeps me from chaseing women for sex which I had a huge problem with in the past. I know this has been covered before, I guess my question is more along the lines of should I feel wired for not feeling guilt for it?

Quick answer is no. Its no one elses business, but your own and God's. I have been on thread after thread about this. There are no scriptures against it. The often quoted OT scripture argument against it, is an incorrect interpretation of a guy spilling his seed as a sin, when in actualality it was the guy's disobedience to God by not making babies with his deceased brother's wife that was the sin. Basically it was disobeying God by not impregnating his deceased brother's wife was the sin. The only valid argument is if you lust after the person you are masturbating to, except a spouse who is unable/ubwilling to satisfy you sexually.

You can read a hundred threads and sites on this or more; however, much of the sin part comes from someone who misinterpreted scripture a long time ago and some how that belief still survived to this day. It maybe a sin to one person, but not another. No where in scripture does it state you can't touch.

So there you have it in a nice little package. You should not feel weird about not feeling guilty, besides you are asking advice from a bunch of sinners who follow Jesus, its what God thinks that should matter to you, not some other human being who lacks God's wisdom and understanding. People will tend to compare others to their standards and what they think is right/wrong; however, that does not equate to what God thinks.

Please note: I know some of you will find the sinners that follow Jesus part offensive, but you must accept the fact that if we weren't sinners, there would be no need for Jesus to do what he did to save us. Its offensive to some because of pride; however, its the truth of who we are as followers of Christ. Jesus died on the cross to pay for mine and everyone else's sins who believes in him and follows him.

God Bless,

Technofox

 

[janny108]

I got this article thru web md:



Compared with male masturbation, female masturbation is considerably less common. According to the National Health and Social Life Survey, 39 percent of American women ages 18 to 60 reported masturbating during the previous year, compared with 61 percent of American men. There are many benefits linked to female masturbation, however, and practicing masturbation techniques appears to be particularly helpful for older women.
Benefits of Female Masturbation
As you age, your body undergoes normal physical changes that may affect your sex life. The good news is that all these changes aren’t bad: Aging can have positive effects on sexuality. Some women, for instance, report feeling the freedom to enjoy sex more as they get older and don’t have birth control issues to contend with. Other women, however, experience emotional or physical changes that can make sex less enjoyable.
One common problem that older women experience is physical changes in the vagina. As a woman ages, her vagina becomes shorter and more narrow. In addition, without regular supplies of estrogen, the walls of the vagina can become thin and stiff. For this reason, it is common to experience vaginal dryness, or a lack of natural vaginal lubrication (wetness), as you get older.
Practicing masturbation techniques can help remedy some of these problems by stimulating the brain to produce physical changes in the vagina. "Masturbation, which may include stimulation of the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], urethra, and vagina, activates various neural pathways responsible for clitoral swelling, vaginal congestion, lengthening of the vagina, and lubrication," says Cathy K. Naughton, MD, director of the Metropolitan Urological Specialists' Center for Sexual Health in St. Louis.
Age may not be the only reason for vaginal dryness and pain during sex. A lack of sexual arousal can also contribute to these problems. Practicing masturbation techniques and becoming sexually aroused more frequently can be especially beneficial for older women who are experiencing less lubrication and more discomfort during sex.
And for women who no longer have an active sexual partner because they are divorced, widowed, or have a partner who is ill, masturbation can be a satisfying substitute for sexual intercourse.
Sexual Arousal in Older Women
The good news is that researchers say there are no differences between premenopausal and postmenopausal women when it comes to being physically able to get sexually aroused. When researchers have looked at vaginal congestion — increased blood circulation to the walls of the vagina, which is a marker of sexual arousal — in response to erotic stimulation, they have found that older women are just as able to become aroused when they are sexually stimulated as are younger women are.
If problems such as vaginal dryness are making you uncomfortable or are interfering with your sex life, you may want to try masturbation techniques. But be sure to address any feelings of guilt you may have when it comes to masturbating. And since female masturbation can be used to compensate for a lack of sexual satisfaction, avoid using masturbation to mask problems you may be having in your sex life with your partner.
"From a medical perspective, masturbation is physically safe and can offer individuals practice and sexual self-esteem," says Dr. Naughton. "However, it may be problematic if it is associated with excessive guilt or used compulsively to avoid intimacy."
Bottom line? Having a healthy sex life includes masturbation, well into your golden years.
Learn more in the Everyday Health Sexual Health Center.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

^That^

When I think about this subject it comes down to two things:
1. Theres no real verse that states its a sin (aside from lusting while doing so).
2. Science/doctors...etc say its actually healthy!

With that second one I think to myself aren't we suppose to take care of our (temples) bodies? If science is right and touching yourself does keep us healthy then I also would think thats how God designed us then. Think about it. If we are to go forth and multiply, that would mean to do so we should keep our reproduction equipment healthy. The only way to do this if you aren't married is to touch. I don't see how God would approve if we did nothing and let our equipment just fall apart and therefor made ourselves unable to multiply.

 

[Johnnz]

My reply is in bold

My feeling is that the only reason to keep the body healthy is for the benefit of the spirit and even then I am very wary of people who try to make health rules into moral rules.

I'm not against enjoying mb, but I feel the primary purpose is not physical so much as spiritual. The idea is to get the sexual tension out of the way so that we can be free from the distraction and get back to work dealing with other issues.

We are embodied beings, functioning as a unity. We must be very careful about thinking in a dualistic way, where body and spirit are placed in opposing categories.


My feeling is that the command to "go forth and multiply" is OT and irrelevant to the spiritual needs of the times we are living in now. The world is heavily populated and there is not nearly as much relevance to "multiplying" as there was when the command was originally given.

That's not true. It is in the original creation story, which itself was referred to by Jesus. God has never abandoned Plan A.

On the contrary, both Jesus and Paul made a good case for Christians to stay single now on the basis that we have a very important job to do, and the commitments that come with marriage become an obstacle to the freedom that best suits that job.

That's not quite accurate. Paul was addressing an ascetic notion, commonly held by Roman physicians that abstinence was beneficial for real manhood. Some at Corinth, a very Roman city, were abstaining from sex on that basis. Paul is quite clear - husbands and wives have a responsibility to fulfil each other sexually.

Marriage is not forbidden and I certainly do not look down on couples who feel God wants them to get married, but I do recognize that remaining single is the superior option for those who feel they can handle it. Only the individual and God can rightly decide if one is able to accept it. Mb is a tool in helping to achieve that goal.

Nor is singleness a superior option. There is a gift of celibacy, but like any other gift, it comes from God and is never to be seen as some personal "badge" for merit.

John
NZ

 

[forGod1]

Lot of people say it is sin, lot of people says it is not. A lot of people say with the kind of boderline not sure of sin's to listen to your conscience. I have done research and I get the same answer. Some people say it is a gift from god to use to control ourself to not have immoral sex. Others say it is a sin against the body because the spirity is in it. The bible does not say anything specific. The problem is I just do not feel guilty about it. It keeps me from chaseing women for sex which I had a huge problem with in the past. I know this has been covered before, I guess my question is more along the lines of should I feel wired for not feeling guilt for it?

it's wrong, Bud.. people act like there's this "masturbation debate", when it really is just that simple. It's wrong.. if you look at a woman and desire her sexually, you're committing the sin... how can thinking of women sexually not be the same thing?

 

[Johnnz]

This is a non debate section. <edit> You can PM me if you want to toss things around a bit more.
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John
NZ

 

[Jere209]

Sometimes a "sin" doesn't appear word for word, letter for letter, in the Bible labeled as a sin. Sometimes you have to use logic and reasoning and find the area that it falls in.

 

[thesunisout]

Lot of people say it is sin, lot of people says it is not. A lot of people say with the kind of boderline not sure of sin's to listen to your conscience. I have done research and I get the same answer. Some people say it is a gift from god to use to control ourself to not have immoral sex. Others say it is a sin against the body because the spirity is in it. The bible does not say anything specific. The problem is I just do not feel guilty about it. It keeps me from chaseing women for sex which I had a huge problem with in the past. I know this has been covered before, I guess my question is more along the lines of should I feel wired for not feeling guilt for it?

What you're looking at here is the flesh vs the spirit. If you need to satisfy your flesh because you cannot control yourself, you have a stronghold of lust in your life. You also have the potential for committing adultery by entertaining fantasies while you're engaged in the act. We all need to follow Pauls example:

1 Corinthians 9:27

No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

As far as whether it is sin or not:

1 John 5:17

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Masturbation is unrighteousness for the fact that it is lust which causes it. Scripture says this:

James 1:14

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed

This is exactly the process that happens when you feel the need to touch. You become tempted throughout the day by little things that add up, or something more direct, and then are you enticed to touch by being drawn into it by that lust.

It becomes a vicious and addictive cycle that keeps you under spiritual oppression. Because of it, you never move past the lust, and in fact accept that it dominates your life, because you have an out that can make it acceptable..a release valve. The flesh is thus dominating the spirit.

Jesus said this:

Luke 9:23

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

To overcome lust you have to deny yourself. You have to put away your out and rely on the Holy Spirit. You will always be oppressed by this stronghold of lust in your life until you trust God and deny yourself. Men (and women I assume) just accept that this is natural and necessary, but it isn't; that is a lie. It is spiritually oppressive, and a trap the devil binds people in to keep them captive to lust. Pray to God for help and He will deliver you from it.

 

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[TruthSeeker2012]

Quick answer is no. Its no one elses business, but your own and God's. ..

That's an antibiblical teaching!

John the Baptist, Stephen etc made it their business to call people to repent of their sins. It is a Christian's business if they see someone sinning. Bible teaches us to encourage people to repent of their sins.

God bless.

 

[mindfulness]

That's an antibiblical teaching!

John the Baptist, Stephen etc made it their business to call people to repent of their sins. It is a Christian's business if they see someone sinning. Bible teaches us to encourage people to repent of their sins.

God bless.

John the baptist mentioned masturbating? SINCE WHEN, bro???

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

John the baptist mentioned masturbating? SINCE WHEN, bro???

You are joking?

I said, John the Baptist, Stephen etc made it their business to call people to repent of their sins. Are you saying that masturbating and having sexually immoral thoughts about someone a person is not married to, is NOT A SIN? Is that what you claim?

 

[mindfulness]

You are joking?

I said, John the Baptist, Stephen etc made it their business to call people to repent of their sins. Are you saying that masturbating and having sexually immoral thoughts about someone a person is not married to, is NOT A SIN? Is that what you claim?

Yes. UNLESS you are fantasizing about someone else's spouse (they have to be married NOW, not some pseudo-spiritual "future spouse" nonsense), or you are currently married. Then it's a sin because it would be mental adultery. Unmarried people cannot commit mental (or physical) adultery.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Yes. UNLESS you are fantasizing about someone else's spouse (they have to be married NOW, not some pseudo-spiritual "future spouse" nonsense), or you are currently married. Then it's a sin because it would be mental adultery. Unmarried people cannot commit mental (or physical) adultery.

Thank you for your comments.