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i dont date him if he's not a christian- is this a bad idea?

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I have been open and friendly and willing to just take life as it comes and have dated many different guys. Unfortunately they were not Christians, and so I got bored with our conversations or struggled badly with making them not have sex, especially when they didn't mind and became hopeful I would marry them when I of course I wouldnt because they had no faith. But a) is hard to find single christian men who ask you out and b) should I go back to dating whoever I.like and put up with these problems again? Am I setting a negative boundary on my lovelife by being so strict about them believing in God or am I doing a good thing?

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I have been open and friendly and willing to just take life as it comes and have dated many different guys. Unfortunately they were not Christians, and so I got bored with our conversations or struggled badly with making them not have sex, especially when they didn't mind and became hopeful I would marry them when I of course I wouldnt because they had no faith. But a) is hard to find single christian men who ask you out and b) should I go back to dating whoever I.like and put up with these problems again? Am I setting a negative boundary on my lovelife by being so strict about them believing in God or am I doing a good thing?

Personal examples welcome !

Thanku


I think you are making the right decision to stop dating unbelievers.

You don't need a date. You need a husband.

Our dating culture is all messed up. Why does our society encourage kids who are way to young to get married to date? Is it so they will be put in situations where they can fornicate? Even less extreme things they do while dating aren't good. The Bible says not to awaken love before it so desire. One translation says do not awaken love until its proper time. Making out arouses a type of physical love that other societies would have kept youth from until marriage.

So when you are raised in this kind of culture, you think of dating as something recreational. I've read that the 'boyfriend' is about 100 or so years old, maybe a little older than that. I read some lines from a poem in the 1800s where a boy had 'boyfriends', which meant other boys he played with. Some of our previous courtship customs were very much marriage oriented, with suitors visiting young women in their parents' home and eventually one proposing and asking the father for the daughter's hand. In the US, the role of the parents got severely diminished after the Civil War, and the US spread its culture around the world.

I read on one website that the boyfriend was created: a man a woman could have a relationship with that fulfills the emotional needs of having a husband without the sex. Then in many cases, he becomes a full-fledged sexual partner without commitment. Our courtship customs used to be about getting people married off, and there wasn't this socially acceptable 'boyfriend' thing for the most part with the same set of social obligations we have today.

My personal experience
I wasn't taught not to date in church, but I was taught not to date unbelievers since dating is supposed to lead to marriage, and I wasn't supposed to marry an unbeliever.

I wasn't especially attracted to every woman as a teen and young man, and I wanted a woman who shared the same beliefs and was strong in her faith. I was also kind of shy about the subject as a teen. So I didn't really date in high school and very little you could call dating in college. I wish I'd realized some of the problems with dating in my early 20's when I did date a little. I would have been less affectionate and more careful only to start or continue a relationship if I really thought it could lead to marriage. Part of my reason for dating was to have experience dating, which wasn't a good thing.

Even so, I didn't date much. I did go on a couple of dates I didn't know were dates. I was just so clueless when a girl liked me sometimes. I went jacket shopping with a coworker, thinking we were just going as friends. Looking back, how silly of me it was not to realize that for her that was a date. I also had a very small class of English students in Korea. The girl was a real knock-out, and seemed really sweet. She was Buddhist. Her brother and friend asked me to go out and do something. Then the young men left and said, "You date her." I told her I shouldn't date my students, a personal policy of mine. If she'd have been a Christian, I might have waited until after the class session was over.

Missionary dating isn't usually that successful. I wouldn't be surprised if it is more effective on women than it is on men. I know of cases where men weren't all that serious about their faith, got their girlfriends or wives interested in Christianity, and then the wives were more into faith than the husbands.

I waiting until I was 27 to marry. I hadn't dated that many people, either. You don't need to date a bunch of people. You just need one spouse. Spend a lot of time in prayer. It must be difficult for women who want to marry by a certain age. If the Christian men aren't asking you out, then what do you do? Do you accept dates from unbelievers? How do you deal with that? When I was young at least, sometimes girls asked guys out, but usually its the other way around.

They say women show their interest first. It's body language. Touching her hair, looking, smiling, posturing herself toward a man. If you don't want to ask the Christian men out, you can still be friendly without being too overly flirtatious. Primarily, though, you can pray. I guess with Internet dating nowadays, it could be easier to find people. If you meet someone on a site, you know there is a high chance that it is not a 'just friends' thing and you are both looking for dating or marriage.

The main thing is to do what is right before the Lord and trust him. The ideal would be for someone not to have a string of romantic relationships and broken hearts before finding a godly, compatible spouse mate to love and love him/her back. If you aren't going to marry for a long time, there is no rush to date. You don't have to have a boyfriend.
 
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I have been open and friendly and willing to just take life as it comes and have dated many different guys. Unfortunately they were not Christians, and so I got bored with our conversations or struggled badly with making them not have sex, especially when they didn't mind and became hopeful I would marry them when I of course I wouldnt because they had no faith. But a) is hard to find single christian men who ask you out and b) should I go back to dating whoever I.like and put up with these problems again? Am I setting a negative boundary on my lovelife by being so strict about them believing in God or am I doing a good thing?

Personal examples welcome !

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I think you might find that you would have just as much struggle with Christian guys wanting to have sex as non-Christian guys, just fyi. They all have the same hormones.

When I met my husband, neither of us was living a truly Christian life. We had been raised as Christians, but we weren't observing the requirements of our faith. After marriage and children, that began to change. If either of us had closed a door to marriage because we weren't being 'perfect', then we wouldn't have ever married, which would have been a great shame.

Have you dated Christian men? Do you also find them boring?
 
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fhl2014,

I'm not sure your background and I won't ask. But every once in a while on some of the other forums of this site, a young man will post about the difficulty finding a virgin or dating a woman who isn't a virgin. I was looking for a virgin, but when I got to marrying age, I was in Indonesia where virginity among the age group I could reasonably marry into was the norm for the unmarried. If I'd have been in the US, I might have felt the need to look a little harder. There are actually a lot of virgins out there, but not high percentage-wise at certain age groups. And there are certain Christian men, especially those who are virgins themselves, who are really looking for a virgin wife. If there a scale of 1 to 10, a woman who is a virgin can go up 3 or 4 points for being a virgin in one of these men's eyes. :) I suppose a woman could put up a dating profile on a Christian dating website that states that she's a virgin or strongly hints at it. Even if someone isn't but states they don't believe in premarital sex, it can filter out people with different values and attract those with the same values.

I don't know how common online dating is for the young. I know some of the older unmarried folks I know have tried that. But I can't blame the young for not wanting to go that route. But joining a virgin pride organization and wearing the T-shirt or the ring might make one more appealing to a small subset of the population, the type of Christian man who would be less likely to bother you before sex before marriage for some reason other than a low testosterone count.
 
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I think you might find that you would have just as much struggle with Christian guys wanting to have sex as non-Christian guys, just fyi. They all have the same hormones.

When I met my husband, neither of us was living a truly Christian life. We had been raised as Christians, but we weren't observing the requirements of our faith. After marriage and children, that began to change. If either of us had closed a door to marriage because we weren't being 'perfect', then we wouldn't have ever married, which would have been a great shame.

Have you dated Christian men? Do you also find them boring?

hmm food for thought thank you. I have dated a couple and found them immature or not a good personality match. We met online so it was 50 50 to whether we'd like each other in person. I think I need a man who loves God now but has probably not been an institutionalized church boy his whole life because I find theyre sheltered and self righteous. I wouldn't mind if he's not a virgin as long as he longs for real love.
 
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hmm food for thought thank you. I have dated a couple and found them immature or not a good personality match. We met online so it was 50 50 to whether we'd like each other in person. I think I need a man who loves God now but has probably not been an institutionalized church boy his whole life because I find theyre sheltered and self righteous. I wouldn't mind if he's not a virgin as long as he longs for real love.


If you are young (you say a boy here) it could be the age group you are looking at. Not everyone who spent their youth in church is sheltered or self-righteous. Maybe if you found a man a few years older than the range you are looking at, he might be more mature and more well-rounded.
 
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I think you are making the right decision to stop dating unbelievers.

You don't need a date. You need a husband.

Our dating culture is all messed up. Why does our society encourage kids who are way to young to get married to date? Is it so they will be put in situations where they can fornicate? Even less extreme things they do while dating aren't good. The Bible says not to awaken love before it so desire. One translation says do not awaken love until its proper time. Making out arouses a type of physical love that other societies would have kept youth from until marriage.

So when you are raised in this kind of culture, you think of dating as something recreational. I've read that the 'boyfriend' is about 100 or so years old, maybe a little older than that. I read some lines from a poem in the 1800s where a boy had 'boyfriends', which meant other boys he played with. Some of our previous courtship customs were very much marriage oriented, with suitors visiting young women in their parents' home and eventually one proposing and asking the father for the daughter's hand. In the US, the role of the parents got severely diminished after the Civil War, and the US spread its culture around the world.

I read on one website that the boyfriend was created: a man a woman could have a relationship with that fulfills the emotional needs of having a husband without the sex. Then in many cases, he becomes a full-fledged sexual partner without commitment. Our courtship customs used to be about getting people married off, and there wasn't this socially acceptable 'boyfriend' thing for the most part with the same set of social obligations we have today.

My personal experience
I wasn't taught not to date in church, but I was taught not to date unbelievers since dating is supposed to lead to marriage, and I wasn't supposed to marry an unbeliever.

I wasn't especially attracted to every woman as a teen and young man, and I wanted a woman who shared the same beliefs and was strong in her faith. I was also kind of shy about the subject as a teen. So I didn't really date in high school and very little you could call dating in college. I wish I'd realized some of the problems with dating in my early 20's when I did date a little. I would have been less affectionate and more careful only to start or continue a relationship if I really thought it could lead to marriage. Part of my reason for dating was to have experience dating, which wasn't a good thing.

Even so, I didn't date much. I did go on a couple of dates I didn't know were dates. I was just so clueless when a girl liked me sometimes. I went jacket shopping with a coworker, thinking we were just going as friends. Looking back, how silly of me it was not to realize that for her that was a date. I also had a very small class of English students in Korea. The girl was a real knock-out, and seemed really sweet. She was Buddhist. Her brother and friend asked me to go out and do something. Then the young men left and said, "You date her." I told her I shouldn't date my students, a personal policy of mine. If she'd have been a Christian, I might have waited until after the class session was over.

Missionary dating isn't usually that successful. I wouldn't be surprised if it is more effective on women than it is on men. I know of cases where men weren't all that serious about their faith, got their girlfriends or wives interested in Christianity, and then the wives were more into faith than the husbands.

I waiting until I was 27 to marry. I hadn't dated that many people, either. You don't need to date a bunch of people. You just need one spouse. Spend a lot of time in prayer. It must be difficult for women who want to marry by a certain age. If the Christian men aren't asking you out, then what do you do? Do you accept dates from unbelievers? How do you deal with that? When I was young at least, sometimes girls asked guys out, but usually its the other way around.

They say women show their interest first. It's body language. Touching her hair, looking, smiling, posturing herself toward a man. If you don't want to ask the Christian men out, you can still be friendly without being too overly flirtatious. Primarily, though, you can pray. I guess with Internet dating nowadays, it could be easier to find people. If you meet someone on a site, you know there is a high chance that it is not a 'just friends' thing and you are both looking for dating or marriage.

The main thing is to do what is right before the Lord and trust him. The ideal would be for someone not to have a string of romantic relationships and broken hearts before finding a godly, compatible spouse mate to love and love him/her back. If you aren't going to marry for a long time, there is no rush to date. You don't have to have a boyfriend.

Hi thanks for your story. Where did you end up finding your wife?
I basically turn them all down now and then feel sad. Its not really working whatever im doing. I dont know if god wants me to grow through dating or just wait for a christian guy that I really like. My heart sees the good in both.
 
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Hi thanks for your story. Where did you end up finding your wife?
I basically turn them all down now and then feel sad. Its not really working whatever im doing. I dont know if god wants me to grow through dating or just wait for a christian guy that I really like. My heart sees the good in both.


I found my wife when I went to a library in Indonesia to read English books at her Bible college. That's when we had our first conversation. We'd actually met a year earlier when she worked for one day at the Christian school I was working at in a nearby city. I recently posted a testimony about it on another thread.

Turning guys down must be tough. You must be really appealing to the guys. :) Some women would love that. The thing is, let's say you are in school and a classmate asks you to go for coffee, and you say, "I am not dating right now" your saying he's asking you on a date. That's weird. You might not want to turn down friendly invitations for coffee, studying together, etc. So you'll have to figure out things for yourself. I suppose you could ask, "Do you mind if Sally comes along" or some other person there present to de-dateify the experience, and everyone pays for their own.
 
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I found my wife when I went to a library in Indonesia to read English books at her Bible college. That's when we had our first conversation. We'd actually met a year earlier when she worked for one day at the Christian school I was working at in a nearby city. I recently posted a testimony about it on another thread.

Turning guys down must be tough. You must be really appealing to the guys. :) Some women would love that. The thing is, let's say you are in school and a classmate asks you to go for coffee, and you say, "I am not dating right now" your saying he's asking you on a date. That's weird. You might not want to turn down friendly invitations for coffee, studying together, etc. So you'll have to figure out things for yourself. I suppose you could ask, "Do you mind if Sally comes along" or some other person there present to de-dateify the experience, and everyone pays for their own.

Thankyou, my sister said to me last year she has never seen anyone get hit on as much as I do lol and she has a lot of friends. Im just friendly and look nice and get along well with men. Honestly yes it is hard. Especially when my non christian girlfriends are there because they judge me and say 'you are too fussy.' I've explained to them I want a Christian but they don't get it.
I have gone back to uni but im in my late 20s so when a guy asks me out I know he's not talking about being friends. I used to be in denial about this but even my most trusted male friends all turned out to like me in some way more than that in the end.
 
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A lot of it simply comes down to, do you trust that God will provide you a husband if that's his will? If it's his will that you find a strong, spiritual leader to be your husband, then he will provide one for you. Lowering your standards is simply not trusting God.
 
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A lot of it simply comes down to, do you trust that God will provide you a husband if that's his will? If it's his will that you find a strong, spiritual leader to be your husband, then he will provide one for you. Lowering your standards is simply not trusting God.

I do but I guess I'm getting concerned as I'm getting older. I dont like one thing about being single anymore. He knows this. I get the feeling I need to do more to help myself and I'm not waiting on God but he's actually waiting on me. Honestly if I had to wait another two years I would just marry a good guy and pray for him. I'm done with this, it feels ridiculous.
 
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I see to many unhappy spouses (especially wives) who are unequally yolked and married. Often they married them in hopes they could change them and have them become saved. Its a dangerous game to play hoping you can save them. If your wrong your stuck in a miserable marriage forever.

Christians guys can be just as sexual btw. But at least they are equally yolked. And they can feel convicted if they are wanting something sexually (sometimes). Where as a non-christian man won't feel anything period because sex to them is ok before marriage.
 
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2 Corinthians 6:14-15 Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

There's your answer right there.
 
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A lot of it simply comes down to, do you trust that God will provide you a husband if that's his will? If it's his will that you find a strong, spiritual leader to be your husband, then he will provide one for you. Lowering your standards is simply not trusting God.

Also, I just read your message again and there's a number of things wrong with your theology. First of all you're saying that if I believe something will happen for me then it will. This is not a black and white promise in life though of course having faith helps. For example, many Christians believe they or a friend will be healed of cancer but they're not healed and they die. They believed, they tell people and speak that belief out loud over their life- I'm going to be healed, God will hear my prayers and he will heal me... And then they die. So no, having faith doesn't guarantee an answered prayer.
Also, a man being the wifes spiritual leader is a man made myth. There is no one between a woman and God. She, like a man, will answer for herself. Adam and eve ruled together before sin, Adam ruled over her afterwards. It is not Gods plan for women that men have greater authority in their union. If that is not what you mean then I apologize but the wording you chose is generally meant that way in christian circles.
To elaborate and connect that with singleness, I have observed young men stalling on marriage or even a girlfriend in church because they don't feel like they are the authority yet.... and they're right because they never will be. So we're waiting for them to simply take us out to lunch and they won't because they don't know how to be our spiritual leaders which they're not supposed to be! It's a lose lose situation.
Lastly, 'lowering your standards' is not always a bad thing in real life as I have heard countless stories of christian couples hating life together and others being very happy and content. Is it Gods will for us to love and be loved or be religious?
 
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Also, I just read your message again and there's a number of things wrong with your theology. First of all you're saying that if I believe something will happen for me then it will. This is not a black and white promise in life though of course having faith helps. For example, many Christians believe they or a friend will be healed of cancer but they're not healed and they die. They believed, they tell people and speak that belief out loud over their life- I'm going to be healed, God will hear my prayers and he will heal me... And then they die. So no, having faith doesn't guarantee an answered prayer.

If you think... and believe... like that when you pray for someone with cancer, you can expect to get what you believe for. James 1 has a section about asking for wisdom. James says to ask in faith without doubting. For he that doubts is like a wave of the sea, driven with the wind and tossed. Let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord.

The Bible says that he that comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

If you pray for a husband, you are supposed to believe that God will answer you. It doesn't happen just because you believe it will, but because you trust God and God responds to your faith, and to your requests made in faith.

I had prayed about getting married for years, but I was overseas by myself at Christmas and made me want to get married soon all that much more. So I started praying really intensely about it over the next few months. I wrote down what I thought the Lord was showing me. At certain point, it seemed the Lord was telling me I'd meet her that month. I'd forgotten about this, but I saw my journal a few months back and I wrote down that I believed the Lord was showing me that she was 23 years old. That's how old my wife was when I met her that February.

I was praying if the Lord had a wife out there for me someday, to speed it up and let me meet her sooner. I prayed, probably back in December before she found out her then boyfriend had another girlfriend, that if she were dating someone else to gently break them up for me without hurting her too badly. Stuff like that. You need to pray 'strong' prayers like the kind that James 5 says are effective in that part about Elijah.

Also, a man being the wifes spiritual leader is a man made myth. There is no one between a woman and God.

I'm a conservative Christian man. Of course I am married now and 'safe' and all that, so I'll share my perspective. I was a virgin at marriage and wanted a godly woman. If I were single and wife hunting, and I read this and the few sentences that followed, and you had been in my consideration set, you might drop out if I heard that or read it in a dating profile or whatever. I didn't too deeply about such things back then, but at least I wanted a woman who acknowledged the requirements Ephesians 5 and I Peter 3 gives for wives.

The Bible doesn't call a husband a 'spiritual leader.' In some unbelieving couples, the wife converts and her husband is still an unbeliever. He isn't her 'spiritual leader.' But it is good if a Christian husband is a 'spiritual leader.' The Bible doesn't say that the husband is 'the spiritual leader' or 'the priest.' It says that he is the head of the wife.

As for no one between woman and God, look at I Corinthians 11, the opening section. God is the Head of Christ. Christ is the Head of man. Man is the head of the woman. There is an order there. A lot of godly men looking for wives want one who embraces that.

I also think it is important to marry a Christian woman who embraces her role in marriage as per Ephesians 5, Colossians 3, I Peter 3, I Corinthians 11, and a few verses in Titus whose reference I don't remember off the top of my head. If she doesn't, if she's a feminist (even if she calls it 'egalitarian') I see that as a high risk situation. I wouldn't want to enter into a marriage where the wife was not on the same page. I also consider it to be ultra high risk for divorce. I was looking for a woman who would stay with me for life. A woman who is liberal about one aspect of marriage could be liberal about the divorce aspect. It is enough of a challenge to walk out your roles in marriage as husband and wife when you both agree, in theory, on the Biblical basics of what those roles entails. If a prospect for marriage doesn't embrace that, that's even tougher.

Another thing to consider is that if God has a man for you, there could be some areas of your life he is working on to prepare you to meet him. It could have to do with habits, beliefs, philosophies about marriage. Those are areas to pray about, too.

She, like a man, will answer for herself.

I don't disagree with this. God spoke directly to Eve for her wrong doing. But a woman is also responsible before God for respecting the role that God put her husband in as her husband. An adult man will have to answer to God directly. He can't expect that his parents would answer for him. But He will also have to be responsible before God for honoring his parents. Just because he will answer to God himself doesn't mean he doesn't have to honor his parents, and honor God by honoring His parents.

Adam and eve ruled together before sin, Adam ruled over her afterwards.

In I Timothy, Paul makes his case from the creation prior to the fall. If you will notice, women still have pain in childbirth. That did not disappear for Christians after Christ died on the cross-- unless those women folk have a huge conspiracy to fool us men. But I've been in the delivery room, and I can't see but how that would hurt pretty bad. It hurts just watching.

It is not Gods plan for women that men have greater authority in their union. If that is not what you mean then I apologize but the wording you chose is generally meant that way in christian circles.

The philosophy you hold to is something to pray about and read the passage I mentioned honestly, asking God to give you insight. Be realistic, too. The authors of scripture were not 21st century feminists or egalitarians.

You should also consider if you would really like a Bible-believing Christian man, that he may be looking for a woman with a certain set of values and beliefs when it comes to marriage. If you don't fit that mold, you are going to have a hard time attracting that kind of man. When you pray for a husband, God is hearing those potential husbands' prayers, too, about what kind of wives they want.

To elaborate and connect that with singleness, I have observed young men stalling on marriage or even a girlfriend in church because they don't feel like they are the authority yet.... and they're right because they never will be.

I haven't noticed that. But I can't blame them if they don't think the dynamic of their relationship will fit the Biblical ideal in marriage. But some of these young men should consider the woman's attitude toward her father and discuss whether that will transfer after marriage. She doesn't owe a boyfriend much more in the way of respect than she does any other man before marriage or engagement. If she is disrespectful toward her father and toward her boyfriend, it makes sense for a man to find someone else.

So we're waiting for them to simply take us out to lunch and they won't because they don't know how to be our spiritual leaders which they're not supposed to be! It's a lose lose situation.

Maybe that's it. Maybe there are tens of thousands of guys looking for women with certain traits and values, but only thousands of women with those traits and values.

Lastly, 'lowering your standards' is not always a bad thing in real life as I have heard countless stories of christian couples hating life together and others being very happy and content. Is it Gods will for us to love and be loved or be religious?

Some people feel 'happy' growing far from God. If you marry an unbeliever from a western country whose not abusive or a control freak, you may have a lot of 'independence' in your marriage, and if that makes you happy, you may feel happy. If he is too wimpy, though, and doesn't show any leadership in the marriage, you may grow to not respect him. And you might hear about a lot of women being 'happy' lowering their standards when it comes to divorce. You may then consider divorce to 'be realistic' and then take your children out of your husband's life and go live just below the poverty level off of child support and food stamps. And your husband can go move back in with his parents so he can afford to pay the child support. Lowering standards could lead you to marry another husband, and repeat the cycle. Then you could be 'happy' watching your kids grow up to become atheists, Buddhists, and secular people who care little for God.

Don't lower standards when it comes to marriage.

I am very glad I married a woman who fears the Lord. If we have a disagreement or conflict, it frees us both of a lot of worry. I am confident that if she gets upset with me about something, it's not permanent. I don't have to stay awake at night wondering if my marriage is going to fall apart, if she will leave me. Why? Because she fears the Lord, and she knows that wouldn't be right. She also knows she must forgive. She knows if I get upset with her, I'll forgive her, too.

I can trust her to go out shopping all day without meeting up with a boyfriend. I can trust her to be faithful. She knows if I work late at night, I'm not in some strip club having a dirty dance or off with a girlfriend somewhere. If there is some area where I want her to hange in our relationship, I can pray about it. I posted a testimony a couple of years ago about how I prayed a half a dozen or more detailed things I wanted the Lord to speak to my wife about. A couple of days later, she told me how the Lord had spoken to her about several things, and went through my prayer list, but in much more detail. She repented of several things. And she prays for God to get through to me on things, too.

We pray about things in our marriage and our life. We can pray together for other people. We pray alone, too. We each have someone to support us in ministry. We are both on the same page about going to church, that we need to teach our children the word of God. We have common values about our faith, about marriage, about sexuality, about caring for one another that we teach to our children.

How many of these things would you have in your marriage if you marry someone who is not a Christian?
 
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