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I meant alternatives, such as adoption.
you're under the misguided assumption that I think I can convince radical fundies to change their ways. No, they're probably lost. It'll take years of self relfection and introspection to fix what they're afflicted with.
The article makes a good read -- pointing out that both sides seem more willing to deal with the moral complexities of this issue than they used to be. I take it as hopeful, on balance."We need to acknowledge this moral complexity: that you don't need to think abortion is the appropriate decision to believe that government shouldn't be the one making the decision," she observed.
The fetus is not a parasite. Period.sorry? where is the definition of parasite that says it must come from another species? I missed that one!
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Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite?cat=health
Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4769
Something that lives in, with, or on another organism and obtains benefits from the host, which it usually injures. http://www.everythingbio.com/glos/definition.php?word=parasite
All of whyich pretty accurately describe the relationship between a mother and a foetus in placental mammals
But hey, the word re-definition project must roll on, huh?
every dictionary definition and several journal articles beg to differ
Whats your point?The Soviet Union and The People's China are/were Communist countries, right?
Wrong! They were/are Socialistic Totalitarianisms.
There has never been a true Communist state.
Do you see how meanings of words can be skewed to mean something never intended?
Lisa
Often those who are afflicted with harsh, cruel fundamentalist thinking face challenges in life which cause them to grow away from such destructive things.
Um....I have to agree with Enemy PartyII....what's your point. Because I'm not seeing it with your example...The Soviet Union and The People's China are/were Communist countries, right?
Wrong! They were/are Socialistic Totalitarianisms.
There has never been a true Communist state.
Do you see how meanings of words can be skewed to mean something never intended?
Lisa
Here's a great quote from a speech by NARAL President Nancy Keenan yesterday (from this article in Slate magazine):
The article makes a good read -- pointing out that both sides seem more willing to deal with the moral complexities of this issue than they used to be. I take it as hopeful, on balance.
Excuse me, but I hope you aren't referring to me with this statement. :o
I'm not afflicted with any harsh or cruel fundamentalist thinking thank you. As I said before--I am pro choice--and I am also pro-life. One can be both. I would never impose my personal view on anyone else or try to make them do what I want or believe. Its not destructive to want to prevent abortions through birth control or sex education and to believe that abortion in general should be avoided if possible. That's not being a fundie.
It's unfortunate that the minute someone says they are "pro-life" that means they are some crazy Neo-Con fundie. That's far from the truth in my case. (as I'm a far left leaning liberal!)
No, from my previous interactions with you and what you have posted on this thread, I never thought so. I apologize if I gave the impression otherwise.
I think you and I are both "pro-choice" and "pro-life" in the same way.
I'm sorry, but repeated references to biological and science in general texts have shown that your statement is false. Biologically speaking, the fetus is a parasite. I know that word has nasty connotations to some, but it's a fact nonetheless. The rational thing to do is to accept the fact and dismiss the connotations. The fact that it's a parasite says absolutely zero about anything to do with the abortion debate. It says nothing about the fetus' worth or the woman's right to terminate.The fetus is not a parasite. Period.
No, no such consent was given. The fetus, of course, does appear inside the woman, sometimes against her will.Look at what you have written. "No human, born or unborn has the right to live inside of you, feeding off your biological resources without your consent."
Hate to tell you this, but consent was given when the method of procreation was accomplished. You act as if the fetus magically appears inside a woman against her will.
In which of the repeated medical definitions given does it say that a parasite is defined (in part) by the fact that it seeks out the host?A parasite seeks out the host. A fetus is brought to the womb by the action of the parents.
Correctly noting that the fetus is a parasite has nothing to do with not taking responsibility or the fetus being a problem. Certainly, unprotected sex and the failure of birth control methods is the problem, and correctly calling the fetus a parasite in no way changes that fact.Take responsibility and stop acting as if the fetus is the problem. Unprotected sex and failure of birth control methods is the problem. The fetus does not OVERCOME the host and force itself upon the mother.
It's obviously not ridiculous, since several biological texts have been noted doing it, and it doesn't remotely dehumanize, so it can't be 'beyond' dehumanizing.It is ridiculous and beyond dehumanizing. The very act of calling a fetus a parasite is immoral in of itself.
I heard an interesting comment made yesterday, can't remember who made it though. But to paraphrase what it said was, isn't it hard to believe in the US that we allow such an important decision like abortion up to the supreme court? Why isn't this topic put as a referendum at the polls, where the voice of all Americans can be heard. I bet if it were put on the ballot, that there would be a huge turn out that year at the polls.
I'm sorry for assuming that you did.I think the reason that I thought you had where speaking to/about me was because the quote you quoted from your previous post was from levi--who I believe was making a comment towards me. (and assuming that I am a fanatical fundie--just because I'm "pro-life")
Mea Culpa.
The Supreme Court did not really decide on abortion. They decided that laws prohibiting abortion violated a constitutional right to privacy. Same effect in the end; slightly different nuance.I heard an interesting comment made yesterday, can't remember who made it though. But to paraphrase what it said was, isn't it hard to believe in the US that we allow such an important decision like abortion up to the supreme court? Why isn't this topic put as a referendum at the polls, where the voice of all Americans can be heard. I bet if it were put on the ballot, that there would be a huge turn out that year at the polls.
At this point in my life, I feel the same. I think that abortion needs to be a safe, legal option - for women who want it (and would otherwise get an unsafe, illegal abortion). But I, personally, would not abortion a healthy pregnancy - even if we couldn't afford to keep and raise the resulting child.I think you and I are both "pro-choice" and "pro-life" in the same way.
Me tooAt this point in my life, I feel the same. I think that abortion needs to be a safe, legal option - for women who want it (and would otherwise get an unsafe, illegal abortion). But I, personally, would not abortion a healthy pregnancy - even if we couldn't afford to keep and raise the resulting child.
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