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Then why is it possible for unmarried couples to get pregnant?
Also, why don't female humans go into heat, like cats? Why do we have sex when there is no chance of getting pregnant? If sex was only "designed" for procreation, why doesn't it result in new life every time we have it? Either you are wrong, or God made a mistake (wonder which?).
Prove it.
Sorry, but sex-for-fun takes a back seat to vaccinations for polio.Actually, it is pretty darn important to our society. Women have been able to leave the home, get advanced educations and go to work, contributing to the economy and to the advancement of the professions in general. (What woman would have gone through law school or medical school knowing that the day she became sexually active her career was on borrowed time?)
Not to mention that women have been able to demand to be treated as citizens equal to men now that they have some control over their reproductive lives and their value to society is no longer measured by how great a percentage of their adult life they can be barefoot and pregnant.
(And some people find that so threatening...)
Well, that does make more sense, but that isn't what was said:First of all he is not saying that sex is only for childbearing, but that childbearing can always come from sex, and should always be expected as a great possibility. Why is it possible for unmarried persons to have sex? For the same reason it is possible for people to commit murder. It's called free choice. We do have the choice to do the wrong thing.
I just don't believe this to be true (though, to be fair, I also don't believe sex to be "designed").Sex is designed to create a baby, in the sanctity of marriage.
Are you saying that raising children should be viewed as a "consequence"? I thought that pregnancy was supposed to be a gift, not a punishment?Having the choice to do the wrong thing does not give us the choice to get out of the consequences of that wrong choice though.
btw, I believe pregnancy is more detrimental to a woman's body than abortion.
lol, were you frothing at the mouth when you typed this?
And you haven't evidenced that having sex is a 'bad choice'.It is a gift not a punishment, but it is the fruit of sex. This should be looked upon as a reward, but whether you see pregnancy as a consequence or a reward, it is the fruit of the choice. The reason I used the term consequence was to relate it to the bigger picture that you were bringing into this conversation. It seemed to me that you were basically saying that we should not be able to do anything that we shouldn't do, and I was simply showing that we can do a lot of things that we shouldn't do. When we do things we shouldn't do, there are consequences. Having sex outside of marriage can have lots of consequences such as diseases including ones that lead to death. Getting pregnant when the people involved are not ready for the responsibilities of parenthood, is going to have consequences with it. The child will be a wonderful blessing, but raising that child will be so much more difficult. Getting an abortion is simply a way to not have to deal with the consequences of raising a child while you are not ready to do so, or dealing with going through with the pregnancy, then giving the child up for adoption. See the child is still a blessing either way, but there are still consequences from making bad choices.
'Educated' about what? How to practise safe sex (including instructions about such things as condom use, IUD use, etc) as well as other aspects of sex?Sex education is not telling them to go out have have sex, which is what handing out contraception is. They absolutely should be educated, but they should be educated about the full realities with sex, and why we need to learn self control, as well as why it should be reserved for marriage.
No, it's not, since in an abortion nobody is being murdered and an annoying neighbour isn't biologically a parasite.Your description of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy is akin to murder being a solution for an annoying neighbor.
Except that (a) sex with adequate contraception has a very low probability of creating a preganancy and (b) if you are prepared to deal with a pregnancy (including by aborting it) then you are prepared for that pregnancy.The bad choice is in doing something that you know has a high probability of creating a pregnancy, and not being prepared for that pregnancy.
No, it's not, since in an abortion nobody is being murdered and an annoying neighbour isn't biologically a parasite.
Educated on the realities of the consequences of sex outside of marriage, and the purpose of, value in, and how to have, and live a life characterized by self control.'Educated' about what? How to practise safe sex (including instructions about such things as condom use, IUD use, etc) as well as other aspects of sex?
Moot point since they are easily available.I've seen nobody advocate "handing out contraception". Making contraception easily available is vastly different. Do you support that?
No, it's not, since in an abortion nobody is being murdered and an annoying neighbour isn't biologically a parasite.
So you don't support comprehensive sex education?Educated on the realities of the consequences of sex outside of marriage, and the purpose of, value in, and how to have, and live a life characterized by self control.
No, they're not. Do you support their free distribution to students through schools?Moot point since they are easily available.
It's not a perfect analogy even if the reason for getting the abortion was the same (about which you can't make a statement; women get abortions for any number of reasons). It takes more than one similarity to make an analogy apt.It is a perfect analogy since the reason for getting the abortion would be the same.(The pregnancy is seen as an annoyance)
No, it's not. Not in any jurisdiction where it's legal, which covers most of the western world, incluiding the US.Also, abortion is murder.
Is it? It doesn't scare me to correctly label something.It is very scary indeed when we start calling humans, parasites.
Have they? Can you cite a couple? And then show some evidence that there's a causal relationship? And then show that calling a fetus a parasite is likely to lead to such? Because if you can't, then your claim is pretty useless.Many dangerous people have called people parasites and committed mass genocide.
It is? Not to me. To call a fetus, biologically speaking, a parasite, is simply correct, whether it's one's own or someone else's. Why would that be unfathomable?To call one's own offspring a parasite is unfathomable.
It is? Not to me. To call a fetus, biologically speaking, a parasite, is simply correct, whether it's one's own or someone else's. Why would that be unfathomable?
I'm sorry, but the above is complete nonsense. Biologically, the fetus is a parasite. To recognise that fact says absolutely nothing about how you respect life or how you feel about your child. Recognising that a fetus is a parasite neither dulls or nulifys any connection, nor does it objectify the baby or make him at fault for any 'crime', real or imagined. It doesn't stop anyone from nurturing and loving it, nor does it impact any psychological connection.because it shows how you respect life and ones own child. For someone to even think that their unborn child is a "parasite' obviously has a great hatred of children and a cold heart.. A true wife and husband nutures and loves their own unborn child..A pshycological connection is immediatly created between the unborn child and their parents(the parents hearing the baby kick, the mother and father reading stories off to the mothers belly, etc).. Anything to "dull" or nullify that phsycological connection is obviously cold and cruel hearted. It also objectifies the baby and makes him the fault for a "crime" he hasn't even commited..
..the ONLY solution is that BOTH sides work together to offer alternatives to abortion.
Pro Choicers need to stop pretending that a legal definition of life will alleviate the guilt of ending your child's life regardless of how desperate the situation. ...Pro Lifers need to do more than shout down how sinful and wrong it is, and start coming up with some concrete ways to help these women. That means digging into your pockets. If we have tens of millions of babies aborted every year, then, we need to be prepared to financially support these women, or we need to be prepared to adopt these children ourselves.
Very easy to talk about how bad abortion is.
Here's some good new for pro-lifers:
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2007/10/11/index.html
This has been proposed time and time again and shot down by anti-abortion forces every time.
If antiabortion people did not stigmatize the woman and seek to deny her dignity guilt would be minimal.
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