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ok... when you feel pain, you have two levels of response... the instinctive, reaction, to remove yourself from the source of pain, and also a sentient response, where you say to yourself, "ow, I'm in pain".
Below a certain neral threshold, organisms only have the first response. So if you hurt a fly, it will respond instinctively to remove itself from the pain, but it won't be aware of the pain, in the same sense that you would be.
If you are really interested, I can only suggest your read up about neuroscience... I'm not an expert, by any means, but I can give you some links if you are interested?what evidence is there in that?
i mean besides the insect cannot talk. But what about things like bee's where when attacked they release scents so other bees are like "oh gotta go hurt something", now i mean i don't see how anything unconcience would just go "attack" something
first an easy oneactually yes i would love that.
im pro science. just got bored of saying why abortions are ok.
ultimately, because they aren't the ones carrying it... but I would sincerely hope, and indeed, imagine in many cases, that the fgather and grandparents are indeed consulted, and further, that many abortions occur for precisely the reason that the potential mother does NOT recieve help and support from these sectors.
I'd love to see an end to abortion as well.On this we agree...I think that education, opportunity, and options are the best ways to eliminate abortion.
Don't get me wrong. I would celebrate if abortion was banned in this country. However, I do not think it ever will be. I would just like to see women in these situations given other alternatives, and make those alternatives more attractive than abortion.
There are just too many couples out there who would do anything to have a child. It seems so senseless to me.
In fact, going back to an earlier point, there is no way that ANY of these babies are unwanted by SOMEONE.
Lisa
I'd love to see an end to abortion as well.
But I'd like to see this through improved childcare, subsidised healthcare, and universally available free contraception, rather than just banning it. If these steps were taken, banning abortion wouldn't be necesary, because no one would be having them anyway
glad ya liked 'emI amen that, good articles btw, i should of just went to wiki and searched it myself.
I'd love to see an end to abortion as well.
But I'd like to see this through improved childcare, subsidised healthcare, and universally available free contraception, rather than just banning it. If these steps were taken, banning abortion wouldn't be necesary, because no one would be having them anyway
well, thats why I advocate universal contraceptive implants to everyone who agrees to have themI would like to see the same. I would also like to see harsher laws regarding the responsibility of men.
I don't think it would eliminate abortion entirely. If you remember that one thread in which the married woman who was financially comfortable, still chose to have an abortion because it would cause their lifestyle to change.
That kind of thing makes my blood boil. I do not feel sorry for women like that. I do feel compassion for women who are in horrible situations and feel that they have no other choice. I want to see them have other choices.
Lisa
Why is that the criteria for determining a right to life? Because you say so?
well, thats why I advocate universal contraceptive implants to everyone who agrees to have them
But that is not always the case.
Exactly. That is a fallacious statistical argument. I explained that already. It is a meaningless statistic. The only way that it can be meaningful is if you do the study in the manner I described in my previous post.
It is like saying: There are more chocolate chips in chocolate chip cookies because there are more chocolate chip cookies in the cookie jar. This proves that peanut butter cookies do not have chocolate chips.
Do you understand the problem with your reasoning?
Lisa
The problem is the heterosexists engage in prurient discussion of sexual acts engaged in by LGBTs while revealing their noncognizance of the sexual practices of heterosexuals. I would not have stated the "statistic" I did had this not occurred a priori.
At the base, both the issue of abortion and of sexual orientation is basically about sex: those who are ignorant or seek control of normal human sexuality seek to deny a woman's right to choose and seek to penalize LGBTs.
Been there. I've always been pro-choice, but I didn't want to have an abortion. I didn't clap my hands in glee and say, "Oh, goodie, my birth control failed and now, since my life's a wreck and I can't take care of myself, much less a child, I get to have an abortion! Wheeee!"
No, for weeks I cried and prayed and tried to think of any way I could support myself waiting tables for the next nine months while I was pregnant so I could at least consider adoption. Abortion was the last resort for me, but it was the right decision.
The same goes for a woman facing a pregnancy that puts her health at risk and she aborts so that her living children will have a mother. Or a girl molested by a relative who aborts because she can barely keep her own health and sanity together much less an unborn child's. Or a woman who gets pregnant by an abusive partner and she aborts to spare a child a slow death by torture and neglect.
There are all kinds of reasons to have an abortion, and none of them have anything to do with thinking abortion is a great thing to have to do. In the meantime, the last thing a woman in that position needs is someone shoving their religious condemnation in her face.
this is a true american tragedy. I honestly would have sent you all of the money I normally tithe to the church to support the life of you through your pregnancy. I believe we as christians need to do a better job reaching out to people in these situations. we also need legislation protecting the rights of the unborn, but we need to do a better job supporting people in similiar situations.
If you want to reduce abortions, I think you're on the right track with the idea of fighting with compassion rather than condemnation.mark my words. someday I will start a private charity group strickly for women who wouldn't be able to financially support themselves through their pregnancy. I'd take donations from all sorts of people and try to coordinate pro life doctors to deliver children free or at a reduced cost to the mother. this isn't a job for uncle sam. this is something that falls on the shoulders of true followers of Christ. If Christians and churches around the country truly united, we'd never have to see a woman go through an abortion again because she couldn't support herself through the pregnancy.
mark my words. someday I will start a private charity group strickly for women who wouldn't be able to financially support themselves through their pregnancy. I'd take donations from all sorts of people and try to coordinate pro life doctors to deliver children free or at a reduced cost to the mother. this isn't a job for uncle sam. this is something that falls on the shoulders of true followers of Christ. If Christians and churches around the country truly united, we'd never have to see a woman go through an abortion again because she couldn't support herself through the pregnancy.
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