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I am going to simply post this here, for the simple reason that I can not really find a place to put it. Normally in most forums, the admins will move a topic to where it is supposed to be if it is in the wrong section. Hopefully, this will be the case if I am indeed posting this in the wrong section.

Let me begin this by saying that I am not a Christian, even though I was raised in one. Why? It is simple. I did not understand how Christianity would condem someone like me based on something that I could not help. What is this thing? It is simple. Ever since I can remember or rather ever since infantile amnseia wore off at around the age of six, I have always been aware of what other people were thinking or feeling. I have also been aware of other things outside of myself to the point of affecting them. In other words, I was born with empathic/telepathic abilities and psychokinetic abilities. When I meet a person I am aware of their consiousness and their emotions. I am also aware of fields and energy outside of myself. When I use the word field and energy, I am talking about fields and energy in the context of physics not hollicostic or occultic or new age context.

When I was six, I did not understand that society viewed such things so darkly. I was showing off for the other kids at church. They were having a baby shower or something of that nature. One kid ran off and told my mother who got the pastor and they sat there and said that I was going to hell for practicing witch craft. Ever since that day up until the age of 13 I struggled with one question. Am I evil? Am I going to hell? This lead me to delving deeper into christian theology looking for something but I found none. When I asked my pastor for answers concerning this, she was only able to give me one answer.

Belive me if I could turn of these troublesome gifts I would. It is no fun being aware of the consiousnesses of others and so on and so forth. I was utterly alone. I can not tell my family. They will think I am posseesed. I can not tell anyone they will think I am insane. The ones who I told and actually showed felt nothing but fear after that. Why would God curse me with something like this I began to wander? What did I do?

Not only did I recieve the burden of being mentally aware of those around me, I found that since I could percive matter out of myself I could affect it with my own consiousness. That was more thing I had to bear. Everywhere I turned within the christian community, I never got any answers. Does this make me wrong? Why me? Finally getting none, I left my christian faith behind.

One answer that I kept getting was that parapsychological incidents or psionic incidents fell under the category of the occult and that one was using demons, satans power and so on. In other words the cause was spirtual. So in other words my psionic abilities would be spirtual power not from God, which would be from Satan. However as I did research, I found that not to be true. This is small part from an article on the subject of consiousness:

"I have to point out, that all of these phenomena may be interpreted by an electromagnetic field model of consciousness, including the phenomenon of hypnosis. If consciousness is organised with the help of the EM field, this EM field may be able to transcend the borders of the organism emitting the waves (see the evidences later on), and interact with the consciousness field of another person nearby. This possibility is allowed by the measurements of Ravitz (1962), who showed that EEG changing during hypnosis presents a waking state pattern. Collective consciousness fields are suggested to act in the ancient Japanese no-theatre and in the truly cathartic theatre performances (Vekerdy, 1974). As Vekerdy formulates, the artist may exert an effect on the audience in three ways: using words, through hearing, by movements, through seeing, and using intense emotions, which exert their effects through telepathy, extra sensory perception. In an experiment conducted by Charles Tart, two graduate students were mutually hypnotising each other. He had Anne hypnotise Bill and after he was hypnotised, he had Bill hypnotise her in return. Anne and Bill in this state experienced the same fantastic, hallucinated reality (Tart, 1969). Richardson (1995) experienced that an imaginary playmate, observed independently and consequently by nine children, was also observed by one adolescent male and also perceived by herself, the teacher personally, as a real 4-year old person. Richardson writes 'In my own case, during the contact, I was not aware of suspecting that she was an apparition until I had the thought "She does not belong in our yard and she is not even dressed right for this century." At that moment we made eye contact and she vanished, dropping the baseball cap.' We may observe that consciousness is fundamentally related to (external and internal) collective, or social interactions, and is elicited through enhanced emotional levels. The collective consciousness field effect is especially amplified when a large number of participants are involved. Therefore, the collective consciousness field of mankind may not only be influenced by nature but also by a modification of social origin, e.g. when significant amount of people are involved in mutual hypnosis. Psychological researches have shown that creativity is triggered in intense emotional states. The hypothesis that the determining factor of consciousness is related to emotional states is developed, considered and evidenced later on."

"How do we decide what objects have consciousness? We always tend to see consciousness from a human perspective associating it with subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, and so on. How can we be sure that an inanimate object like stone does not have these attributes? Strictly speaking consciousness cannot even be defined because we can define things only in the realm of the known. But everything that is known is known only through consciousness and thus consciousness is outside the realm of the known.

We know that matter and energy are equivalent. Energy cannot be passive; in matter in any form elementary particles like electrons are in constant motion. When atoms combine to form molecules they exchange electrons. When an electron goes into an atom (or ion) it somehow knows which orbit it can enter, and which not. This is a fundamental principle that governs the structure of matter. It implies that the electron knows enough about the other electrons that are already there. And no known physical force is responsible for enforcing this behavior. It would seem therefore that elementary particles are in some way interconnected through consciousness. If consciousness manifests itself at this elementary level, it is reasonable to assume that it is present (as energy) in all forms of matter."



"In quantum physics there is also a phenomenon called 'phase entanglement'. Two particles having a common origin react to each other instantaneously irrespective of the distance and time separating them. If this idea is extended to objects, the interaction through the consciousness fields becomes understandable. The strength of the interaction would depend on that of the common bond at some point of origin in space-time however remote."

These are two very very small parts taken from articles. As I researched more and more, I began to understand my the things that I could do were not spirtual in nature, but they were caused by neurological, biological, and physical reactions that were beyond my control. However, when i discuss my "psychic abilities" which a Christian or engage them in a conversation concerning the physical and nervous and neurological aspects of this, they equate it with the occult and witchcraft. They condem me for something that I can not help and they condem others like me. I can not help the way I was born.

That is my big struggle with Christianity. How can I be part of a religion that condems me for something that I can not control, something that I was born being. In fact my empathic abilities are used most times to help people. I can feel another's pain and know what they experience so I can understand them. I can help them not feel so alone and soothe their pain.
 

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If God Made you...

Then God Made you.. and will accept you Home to him.... You just need to take the first step.. and that is to seek forgiveness for your countless sins (Which do not include your gifts)... Accept Christ.. and Pray...

That ends that....

Not sure if I answered your Question....

God Bless

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Sounds to me as if you are prophetically gifted. Did you know that many prophets were called by God in the womb? There is nothing intrinsically, morally wrong with this - and if anyone tells you there is, imho they are wrong. However, I must say that much of what you are talking about does not seem to be biological, but spiritual.

(((( praying that you will heed the call of Jesus back to Himself, where you belong ))))

blessings
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Dear Rayne,

Like you, I also am an empath and telepath from childhood, though I do not have PK. I do not frequently receive full-blown visions, but I have been given a heightened sense of pattern recognition that functions in a similar way. Have you ever heard of "indigo children"? I was an "indigo" before anyone had ever even invented the term or conceived of there being such a "type". (It's a kind of "new agey" concept but the description of the type of child they are talking about is a dead ringer for me as a child.)

I agree with what Talitha says. I believe the Creator of all things gave you these gifts so that His wonderful work could be manifest in your life, and so that you might have the privilege and joy of using them for good. But first you -- like the rest of us here in this little "third stone from the sun" schoolhouse ;) -- must learn what "good" really is.

One thing that really stands out to me from the painful plea in your post is an unhappy rift has been created for you -- and it sounds like it was created contrary to your desire and without your consent -- between you and God as a result of the wrongful treatment you received from frightened and ignorant people. I want to affirm to you right now that God IN NO WAY thinks of you the way those people did. He does not condemn you nor accuse you of things you have not done. Nor is He ignorant or fearful concerning your abilities. He gave them to you so that you might fulfill your destiny!!

When I said "ignorant and fearful" about those people, I was not in any way trying to be pejorative or mean by that characterization. These are objective terms describing the state of far too many people in the world, including and especially many who fill the church pews every Sabbath or Sunday. This ignorance and fear of theirs got expressed, as they usually do, through projection, judgment, condemnation, and cruelty. Those things hurt when they hit you, like fiery darts piercing your chest and going straight to the heart.

Get used to those darts. This is what those of us born to the kind of inheritance you describe (or other similar things) end up having to deal with -- but with Jesus you will NOT be left to deal with it alone. You will have strengthening and protection from His Holy Spirit, as well as One who can guide you through the difficult process of learning what to do with these gifts -- how to protect yourself from the pain they can bring and to what good uses you may put them. As for the multitude -- think of how Jesus processed having to deal with "the rabble" (as Nietzsche less compassionately frequently called the "masses"). Scripture tells us that He had compassion upon the multitude, for they were like sheep without a shepherd:
[bible]matthew 9:36[/bible]
I have found one of the ONLY ways to survive and rise above what hideous pain a fearful and ignorant society can inflict on those who are different is to rise above them responsibly: with compassion. It is egotism to elevate ourselves and think we are better than everyone else, but it is the right and compassionate thing to do to stand tall above the masses with the attitude of a shepherd-in-training, a co-worker with God, dispatched to this confused, conflicted, pain-filled, tormented world to bring love, healing, liberation, rightful empowerment, spiritual awareness, and every other good thing Jesus has provided for us through His manifest incarnation, life, death and resurrection, toward the ultimate goal of all being awakened to the reconciliation God has already made a living, vibrant, pulsating reality for us IF we will but enter into it. No one who embraces such an attitude with sincerity can totally fail to realize the full implications of the tremendous responsibility she or he holds, or can lightly abuse his or her advantages.

It sounded to me from your post that the only thing standing between you and faith in Christ was the mistreatment people in churches dealt you. I know how much that kind of thing can hurt and I would never do anything to minimize that pain. But for a moment, Rayne -- sod them. Just sod them. This is between Him and you. What He has in store for you, the incredible destiny He has planned for your life -- eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of anyone, yourself included, the incredible things God has in store for us. He has plans to bring you joy and fulfillment in your life -- NOT to harm you -- to give you HOPE and a glorious future. If He has trusted you with these abilities it must surely be for a reason. Please don't let the ignorance and fearfulness of simple folk ROB you of the experience of His love, the wisdom of His guidance, the beautiful grace of His Holy Spirit, and the awesome, exciting future He has in store for you. And only HE can teach you the GREATEST power of ALL: the ability to look upon those who wrong you with compassion, and say with Jesus on the cross, "Father, forgive them -- they simply don't know what they are doing." If you've never been able to say something like that and REALLY mean it from the heart, you are in for a real treat!! It is ONLY from the greatest, most unstoppable, unquenchable power in the universe that such an utterance arises.

God has already reconciled you to Himself through Jesus Christ; and therefore I am here pleading with you, in Christ's place and in His name, be reconciled with God. A wonderful, exciting partnership lies ahead of you and a glorious future of delight in His love and amazing plans He has in store for those gifts He entrusted you with. Won't you entrust yourself and your training to Him? Not to "the church", not to "christianity the religion", but to HIM. :thumbsup:

I will hold you in my prayers. I have held back from saying all I might say on this subject, and might have more to share later, but for now I pray in Jesus' name that you will be able to reach out through the ugly filth of those horrible memories of how you were wrongfully treated, and take the hand of one who can become the Best Friend you will ever have -- and the only one Who, in my experience, is truly qualified to train you in the best use of those unique gifts.

God bless you, Rayne. You are not alone. There are others here who have walked a similar path and found the Lord to be their friend. I pray He will bring these to you as well. You are NOT alone.
 
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Did you know that many prophets were called by God in the womb?
Rayne, you might enjoy reading Jeremiah 1 (click to read) which is the story of how Jeremiah received his calling. Most notably in light of Tal's post, verses 4-5:
4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
 
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Rayne,
God loves you how you are. He made you, He gave you those wonderful gifts. You're not practicing witchcraft, you're just different. Don't forget, people fear what they don't understand, let's face it, people can become idiots. If you use your gifts for good, then they're just that: gifts, a blessing.

Break it into your parents gently, when you get your faith back, and tell them it's not Occult, Witchcraft, or anything, but a God-given gift because He loves you, and you condemn anything evil. They can't disagree with that. :)

God bless,
IO
 
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rayne18: You've described your "gifts" in a rather generic manner. Could you please be more specific and give me/us one example of something you did/said to people that they considered to be demonic? Although there are gifts of the Spirit from God, I think that those on this thread who have attributed your "gifts" to being from God have done so without enough information. I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong, I'm just saying that I don't feel that you've provided us with enough information to properly assess your situation. Could you please elaborate? Thanks.
 
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Rayne, thank you for posting all that information. I have been looking for scientific information on this topic.

No matter how you want to categorize what you have, you have a responsibility to use it wisely.

There are times when you will know things about people, and it will not be appropriate to mention it -- like at the birthday party. You can harm people by broadcasting information. And sometimes misread.

While you can influence others, and seem to be able to input into their minds, you need to restrain yourself at this angle. Controlling others' minds in any form or motive takes away their most valuable human right. No one wants to lose their autonomy, their freedom to think for themselves, or have this space invaded -- especially involuntarily.

I'm sure you've already spent a lot of thought on how you apply this gift, but some of your decisions might have just been reactionary -- avoiding trouble. Pray about how God might use you to help others with this.

And keep the discussion going!
 
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I did not understand how Christianity would condem someone like me based on something that I could not help.

It is true that many Christians do not even know their own faith. I believe that you grew up around such people.

The thing that sets Christianity apart is that we acknowledge that we are all sinners in need of a Savior.

I have my sin issues that I struggle with and so do you.

As for this issue that you speak of, I am not sure that being more "in tune" with others as you are is something that I would get upset at.

I WOULD get upset if you were forecasting the future, reading palms and other known witchcraft practices.

I know many Pentecostal Christians would embrace this gift of yours, but I do not agree with the Pentecostal Christians that we prophecy as the OT prophets once did. I am Lutheran and a former Pentecostal.

Even so with the Pentecostal Christian, the Lutheran faith would also accept you as well as long as you had faith. Faith is what saves you. As I stated earlier, we are all sinners who struggle. Every person is created a little differently then others. Some men have less testosterone and appear more feminine. Some women appear more manly, some are taller, others shorter, some have a gift to talk to anyone while others have a hard time talking. You sense the conscious of others while there are many people who railroad over others feelings not able to consider what they are feeling or thinking.

Jesus died for even your sins. You are no different.
 
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Think about grand schemes of life, and what you think each individual should aim for, or try to accomplish within their lifetimes.

What do you want your life to be about, and how do you want to be remembered? How will you have lifted others out of distress, brought hope, offered solutions. Then look at these sensitivities within you.

If you have a shred of a belief in a loving God who wants to be involved with people, then take your awareness of others' needs to Him, and pray for them.

Walk through the stores and pray for people. You can only do so much on your own, but when you include the God of the universe in your attempts to help others, imagine the possibilities!

Use the force for good, Luke
 
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It is sad you were judged so.
Such psichic abilities are in all of us.
It's a part of what we are.
It is suppressed in most people though.
Congratulations on your skill.

It is possible to call on other entities for psichic help. That doesn't mean all psichic ability is demonic.


Oh, it's not electromagnetic, as you may one day find out :)
 
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Also if this ability operates in you pretty much continually, being flooded with all that info will pose problems. You need to learn how to open and shut that 'gate' at will. And you need to learn how to discern when and HOW you should use the info -- and for that, you need a guide. I recommend the Holy Spirit, of course. :thumbsup: To tell you when to speak and when to be silent; when it is appropriate to approach someone and initiate dialogue with them to help them and when it is best to lift them to God with what you are sensing in prayer. You may eventually be ready for more advanced "maneuvers" in the Spirit as well -- but I leave that for God to teach and guide you in.
 
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It is possible to call on other entities for psichic help.
Rayne, I don't know what you believe about supernatural beings, but PLEASE be careful when it comes to involving other entities.

If you want angels to help you, ask God and He will send them. If you ask random spirits to guide you, you have opened to door for capricious beings to wreak havoc on your life. This type of help will easily turn on you.
 
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Those things all exist in dimensions unseen for most people. If you are aware of them in any greater way than others, then be careful to know and perceive the good and evil of them - learning, as we all are resposible to do in life, how to differentiate and follow that which is pleasing to God our Creator. You should know that God is, as the scriptures tells us that all men know there is God because of the creation they exist in and that it speaks of God. We have the choice, however, to replace the truth with lies and push the truth out of our consciousness if we persist in following the nature we are born with that sins and dies. We inherited that nature from Adam and can only acquire a new spiritual nature from Jesus -the only man not born of man and not having the iherited nature of sin and death.
It is obvious that you have a high level of intelligence, but it will take wisdom to live a life well lived for God. He teaches us what true love and life is. I hope you apply all that He has given you in life to forgetting the condemnations of other people that call theirselves by Christs name, possibly in vain at times, as we all do make many mistakes (sins) in life, and take it upon yourself to know God's will for your own life as His special servant. Jesus was servant to all mankind, and said that to be chief among men was to be a servant. There are so many good deeds that need to be done in this world.
As the others have aready advised, read the Bible and take its warnings very seriously about satan and his legions of fallen angels that support his system upon earth where he is "prince of the world". The Bible tells us that it is not flesh and blood that fight against, but principalities and demonic powers in high places of authority in the spiritual dimensions we do not see.

Eph 6:12 For we are not fighting against flesh–and–blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
 
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Rayne, I don't know what you believe about supernatural beings, but PLEASE be careful when it comes to involving other entities.

If you want angels to help you, ask God and He will send them. If you ask random spirits to guide you, you have opened to door for capricious beings to wreak havoc on your life. This type of help will easily turn on you.
Reading the above posts I realise I may not have been clear.
The Bible warns us not to contact other spirits for information.
They should be avoided.
Some even pretend to be angels from God.
 
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I am going to simply post this here, for the simple reason that I can not really find a place to put it. Normally in most forums, the admins will move a topic to where it is supposed to be if it is in the wrong section. Hopefully, this will be the case if I am indeed posting this in the wrong section.

Let me begin this by saying that I am not a Christian, even though I was raised in one. Why? It is simple. I did not understand how Christianity would condem someone like me based on something that I could not help. What is this thing? It is simple. Ever since I can remember or rather ever since infantile amnseia wore off at around the age of six, I have always been aware of what other people were thinking or feeling. I have also been aware of other things outside of myself to the point of affecting them. In other words, I was born with empathic/telepathic abilities and psychokinetic abilities. When I meet a person I am aware of their consiousness and their emotions. I am also aware of fields and energy outside of myself. When I use the word field and energy, I am talking about fields and energy in the context of physics not hollicostic or occultic or new age context.

When I was six, I did not understand that society viewed such things so darkly. I was showing off for the other kids at church. They were having a baby shower or something of that nature. One kid ran off and told my mother who got the pastor and they sat there and said that I was going to hell for practicing witch craft. Ever since that day up until the age of 13 I struggled with one question. Am I evil? Am I going to hell? This lead me to delving deeper into christian theology looking for something but I found none. When I asked my pastor for answers concerning this, she was only able to give me one answer.

Belive me if I could turn of these troublesome gifts I would. It is no fun being aware of the consiousnesses of others and so on and so forth. I was utterly alone. I can not tell my family. They will think I am posseesed. I can not tell anyone they will think I am insane. The ones who I told and actually showed felt nothing but fear after that. Why would God curse me with something like this I began to wander? What did I do?

Not only did I recieve the burden of being mentally aware of those around me, I found that since I could percive matter out of myself I could affect it with my own consiousness. That was more thing I had to bear. Everywhere I turned within the christian community, I never got any answers. Does this make me wrong? Why me? Finally getting none, I left my christian faith behind.

One answer that I kept getting was that parapsychological incidents or psionic incidents fell under the category of the occult and that one was using demons, satans power and so on. In other words the cause was spirtual. So in other words my psionic abilities would be spirtual power not from God, which would be from Satan. However as I did research, I found that not to be true. This is small part from an article on the subject of consiousness:

"I have to point out, that all of these phenomena may be interpreted by an electromagnetic field model of consciousness, including the phenomenon of hypnosis. If consciousness is organised with the help of the EM field, this EM field may be able to transcend the borders of the organism emitting the waves (see the evidences later on), and interact with the consciousness field of another person nearby. This possibility is allowed by the measurements of Ravitz (1962), who showed that EEG changing during hypnosis presents a waking state pattern. Collective consciousness fields are suggested to act in the ancient Japanese no-theatre and in the truly cathartic theatre performances (Vekerdy, 1974). As Vekerdy formulates, the artist may exert an effect on the audience in three ways: using words, through hearing, by movements, through seeing, and using intense emotions, which exert their effects through telepathy, extra sensory perception. In an experiment conducted by Charles Tart, two graduate students were mutually hypnotising each other. He had Anne hypnotise Bill and after he was hypnotised, he had Bill hypnotise her in return. Anne and Bill in this state experienced the same fantastic, hallucinated reality (Tart, 1969). Richardson (1995) experienced that an imaginary playmate, observed independently and consequently by nine children, was also observed by one adolescent male and also perceived by herself, the teacher personally, as a real 4-year old person. Richardson writes 'In my own case, during the contact, I was not aware of suspecting that she was an apparition until I had the thought "She does not belong in our yard and she is not even dressed right for this century." At that moment we made eye contact and she vanished, dropping the baseball cap.' We may observe that consciousness is fundamentally related to (external and internal) collective, or social interactions, and is elicited through enhanced emotional levels. The collective consciousness field effect is especially amplified when a large number of participants are involved. Therefore, the collective consciousness field of mankind may not only be influenced by nature but also by a modification of social origin, e.g. when significant amount of people are involved in mutual hypnosis. Psychological researches have shown that creativity is triggered in intense emotional states. The hypothesis that the determining factor of consciousness is related to emotional states is developed, considered and evidenced later on."

"How do we decide what objects have consciousness? We always tend to see consciousness from a human perspective associating it with subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, and so on. How can we be sure that an inanimate object like stone does not have these attributes? Strictly speaking consciousness cannot even be defined because we can define things only in the realm of the known. But everything that is known is known only through consciousness and thus consciousness is outside the realm of the known.

We know that matter and energy are equivalent. Energy cannot be passive; in matter in any form elementary particles like electrons are in constant motion. When atoms combine to form molecules they exchange electrons. When an electron goes into an atom (or ion) it somehow knows which orbit it can enter, and which not. This is a fundamental principle that governs the structure of matter. It implies that the electron knows enough about the other electrons that are already there. And no known physical force is responsible for enforcing this behavior. It would seem therefore that elementary particles are in some way interconnected through consciousness. If consciousness manifests itself at this elementary level, it is reasonable to assume that it is present (as energy) in all forms of matter."



"In quantum physics there is also a phenomenon called 'phase entanglement'. Two particles having a common origin react to each other instantaneously irrespective of the distance and time separating them. If this idea is extended to objects, the interaction through the consciousness fields becomes understandable. The strength of the interaction would depend on that of the common bond at some point of origin in space-time however remote."

These are two very very small parts taken from articles. As I researched more and more, I began to understand my the things that I could do were not spirtual in nature, but they were caused by neurological, biological, and physical reactions that were beyond my control. However, when i discuss my "psychic abilities" which a Christian or engage them in a conversation concerning the physical and nervous and neurological aspects of this, they equate it with the occult and witchcraft. They condem me for something that I can not help and they condem others like me. I can not help the way I was born.

That is my big struggle with Christianity. How can I be part of a religion that condems me for something that I can not control, something that I was born being. In fact my empathic abilities are used most times to help people. I can feel another's pain and know what they experience so I can understand them. I can help them not feel so alone and soothe their pain.

that seems like another example of bad religion pretending to be christianity. I don't agree that they should have just immediately told you to stop practicing witchcraft, if you are just using your abilities to try and help others. maybe the "showing off" part was not so wise, we are to be humble.

The New Testament has many warnings against church leaders. I would take them seriously, and not judge Jesus as wolf in sheep's clothing have represented, unfortunately too many have been misrepresenting Him and His teachings. but remember Jesus knows that too, His own church leaders led Him to be crucified. Jesus continues to warn us all about many similar things in the Bible and New Testament too. I would encourage you to read the Bible and New Testament and study Him biblically to get to know the real Christianity, and not hang on to preconcieved notions too tightly. God bless
 
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Joseph had an ability to interpret the dreams. His gift first caused much distress in his own family. His brothers sold him into slavery. Jospeh had to wrestle with "what others had done to him" until he was given insight that what they had done for evil, God used for good.

Curious, what do you think of Edgar Cayce as I am sure you have looked into his gifts. We all have gifts. In the end, however, it is how they are used and to glorify God or ourselves.

Sounds like you are reacting to how others have reacted to your gift. That is natural, especially if it is one they do not have and can't really relate too.

I really see Jospeh as a possible way of looking at your gift and how God may be using it. Hope you don't give up because others have been confused by your gift.

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Hi, I don't understand either. I believe that God gives each of us gifts. Prophecy is one of them. What I don't understand is why I can't ever get a positive "vibe" or whatever it is you guys feel from anyone I've ever encountered who said they were psychic. What I mean is he/she/they never have anything positive to say about my future. What I don't understand about that is if God's plans for me are good then why aren't these people picking up those good things and able to relay them to me. I want to believe that those people are telling the truth about their abilities, but I always get upset about what they have to say since it's never positive and only one time has it been as they said. I just had a consultation from a group calling themselves the Christian Pxychics and now I am extremely upset and confused again. What is it that enables you to get information about a person, a look, a written message? What is it that I am doing that always elicits miserable responses?

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I am going to simply post this here, for the simple reason that I can not really find a place to put it. Normally in most forums, the admins will move a topic to where it is supposed to be if it is in the wrong section. Hopefully, this will be the case if I am indeed posting this in the wrong section.

Let me begin this by saying that I am not a Christian, even though I was raised in one. Why? It is simple. I did not understand how Christianity would condem someone like me based on something that I could not help. What is this thing? It is simple. Ever since I can remember or rather ever since infantile amnseia wore off at around the age of six, I have always been aware of what other people were thinking or feeling. I have also been aware of other things outside of myself to the point of affecting them. In other words, I was born with empathic/telepathic abilities and psychokinetic abilities. When I meet a person I am aware of their consiousness and their emotions. I am also aware of fields and energy outside of myself. When I use the word field and energy, I am talking about fields and energy in the context of physics not hollicostic or occultic or new age context.

When I was six, I did not understand that society viewed such things so darkly. I was showing off for the other kids at church. They were having a baby shower or something of that nature. One kid ran off and told my mother who got the pastor and they sat there and said that I was going to hell for practicing witch craft. Ever since that day up until the age of 13 I struggled with one question. Am I evil? Am I going to hell? This lead me to delving deeper into christian theology looking for something but I found none. When I asked my pastor for answers concerning this, she was only able to give me one answer.

Belive me if I could turn of these troublesome gifts I would. It is no fun being aware of the consiousnesses of others and so on and so forth. I was utterly alone. I can not tell my family. They will think I am posseesed. I can not tell anyone they will think I am insane. The ones who I told and actually showed felt nothing but fear after that. Why would God curse me with something like this I began to wander? What did I do?

Not only did I recieve the burden of being mentally aware of those around me, I found that since I could percive matter out of myself I could affect it with my own consiousness. That was more thing I had to bear. Everywhere I turned within the christian community, I never got any answers. Does this make me wrong? Why me? Finally getting none, I left my christian faith behind.

One answer that I kept getting was that parapsychological incidents or psionic incidents fell under the category of the occult and that one was using demons, satans power and so on. In other words the cause was spirtual. So in other words my psionic abilities would be spirtual power not from God, which would be from Satan. However as I did research, I found that not to be true. This is small part from an article on the subject of consiousness:

"I have to point out, that all of these phenomena may be interpreted by an electromagnetic field model of consciousness, including the phenomenon of hypnosis. If consciousness is organised with the help of the EM field, this EM field may be able to transcend the borders of the organism emitting the waves (see the evidences later on), and interact with the consciousness field of another person nearby. This possibility is allowed by the measurements of Ravitz (1962), who showed that EEG changing during hypnosis presents a waking state pattern. Collective consciousness fields are suggested to act in the ancient Japanese no-theatre and in the truly cathartic theatre performances (Vekerdy, 1974). As Vekerdy formulates, the artist may exert an effect on the audience in three ways: using words, through hearing, by movements, through seeing, and using intense emotions, which exert their effects through telepathy, extra sensory perception. In an experiment conducted by Charles Tart, two graduate students were mutually hypnotising each other. He had Anne hypnotise Bill and after he was hypnotised, he had Bill hypnotise her in return. Anne and Bill in this state experienced the same fantastic, hallucinated reality (Tart, 1969). Richardson (1995) experienced that an imaginary playmate, observed independently and consequently by nine children, was also observed by one adolescent male and also perceived by herself, the teacher personally, as a real 4-year old person. Richardson writes 'In my own case, during the contact, I was not aware of suspecting that she was an apparition until I had the thought "She does not belong in our yard and she is not even dressed right for this century." At that moment we made eye contact and she vanished, dropping the baseball cap.' We may observe that consciousness is fundamentally related to (external and internal) collective, or social interactions, and is elicited through enhanced emotional levels. The collective consciousness field effect is especially amplified when a large number of participants are involved. Therefore, the collective consciousness field of mankind may not only be influenced by nature but also by a modification of social origin, e.g. when significant amount of people are involved in mutual hypnosis. Psychological researches have shown that creativity is triggered in intense emotional states. The hypothesis that the determining factor of consciousness is related to emotional states is developed, considered and evidenced later on."

"How do we decide what objects have consciousness? We always tend to see consciousness from a human perspective associating it with subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, and so on. How can we be sure that an inanimate object like stone does not have these attributes? Strictly speaking consciousness cannot even be defined because we can define things only in the realm of the known. But everything that is known is known only through consciousness and thus consciousness is outside the realm of the known.

We know that matter and energy are equivalent. Energy cannot be passive; in matter in any form elementary particles like electrons are in constant motion. When atoms combine to form molecules they exchange electrons. When an electron goes into an atom (or ion) it somehow knows which orbit it can enter, and which not. This is a fundamental principle that governs the structure of matter. It implies that the electron knows enough about the other electrons that are already there. And no known physical force is responsible for enforcing this behavior. It would seem therefore that elementary particles are in some way interconnected through consciousness. If consciousness manifests itself at this elementary level, it is reasonable to assume that it is present (as energy) in all forms of matter."



"In quantum physics there is also a phenomenon called 'phase entanglement'. Two particles having a common origin react to each other instantaneously irrespective of the distance and time separating them. If this idea is extended to objects, the interaction through the consciousness fields becomes understandable. The strength of the interaction would depend on that of the common bond at some point of origin in space-time however remote."

These are two very very small parts taken from articles. As I researched more and more, I began to understand my the things that I could do were not spirtual in nature, but they were caused by neurological, biological, and physical reactions that were beyond my control. However, when i discuss my "psychic abilities" which a Christian or engage them in a conversation concerning the physical and nervous and neurological aspects of this, they equate it with the occult and witchcraft. They condem me for something that I can not help and they condem others like me. I can not help the way I was born.

That is my big struggle with Christianity. How can I be part of a religion that condems me for something that I can not control, something that I was born being. In fact my empathic abilities are used most times to help people. I can feel another's pain and know what they experience so I can understand them. I can help them not feel so alone and soothe their pain.

If something were to happen to you today and you should die, do you believe you'd go to Heaven or Hell? Why?
 
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