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From the last (2016) Australian census
The ten most commonly reported countries of birth for those born overseas were:Chinese settlement in Australia goes back to the Gold Rush.
- England (14.7%)
- New Zealand (8.4%)
- China (8.3%)
- India (7.4%)
- Philippines (3.8%)
- Vietnam (3.6%)
- Italy (2.8%)
- South Africa (2.6%)
- Malaysia (2.2%)
- Scotland (1.9%)
While the most common birthplace for those born overseas remains England (15% of the overseas-born population), there has been an increase between the 2011 and 2016 Censuses in the proportion of people born in China (6.0% to 8.3%) and India (5.6% to 7.4%). The proportion of those born in New Zealand has decreased over the same period, dropping from 9.1% to 8.4% of the overseas-born population.
2071.0 - Census of Population and Housing: Reflecting Australia - Stories from the Census, 2016 (abs.gov.au)
(2015) While the United States of America had the highest total number of people born overseas (47 million or 14% of their population),2 Australia had a higher proportion of overseas-born people, at 26%. Australia also had a higher proportion of people born overseas than our neighbour New Zealand (23%) and Canada (22%),3 other countries founded on migration.
OB
I wonder what area i will like. I like the tropics.
From the last (2016) Australian census
The ten most commonly reported countries of birth for those born overseas were:Chinese settlement in Australia goes back to the Gold Rush.
- England (14.7%)
- New Zealand (8.4%)
- China (8.3%)
- India (7.4%)
- Philippines (3.8%)
- Vietnam (3.6%)
- Italy (2.8%)
- South Africa (2.6%)
- Malaysia (2.2%)
- Scotland (1.9%)
While the most common birthplace for those born overseas remains England (15% of the overseas-born population), there has been an increase between the 2011 and 2016 Censuses in the proportion of people born in China (6.0% to 8.3%) and India (5.6% to 7.4%). The proportion of those born in New Zealand has decreased over the same period, dropping from 9.1% to 8.4% of the overseas-born population.
2071.0 - Census of Population and Housing: Reflecting Australia - Stories from the Census, 2016 (abs.gov.au)
(2015) While the United States of America had the highest total number of people born overseas (47 million or 14% of their population),2 Australia had a higher proportion of overseas-born people, at 26%. Australia also had a higher proportion of people born overseas than our neighbour New Zealand (23%) and Canada (22%),3 other countries founded on migration.
OB
When the need for self defense arises, it's a valid reason to have whatever you need.
Absolutely - and Australians are completely on board with making people jump through hoops to justify gun ownership
It's strange but we've found that if you make guns hard to get you automatically reduce gun crime (and accidental gun injuries). We call it "prevention".
It's a straightforward risk assessment where allowing free access to guns creates far more dangers than restricting access. It's another one of those situations where we tend to favour collective responsibility over individual wants.
A bit like Covid vaccination.
OB
It's an automatic reaction that only some Americans seem to have. So let me give you a heads up on how others react.
Cricklewood is a suburb in North London. It's adjacent to Hampstead which you might have heard of. Very expensive area. But my wife and I lived in Cricklewood, which was not the best of areas. But I'd bought an apartment there before we were married, so the first three years we spent there.
It had an extremely strong Irish contingent. And we're talking mid 70's when the IRA was regularly blowing people up, including people in London. You couldn't go into a local pub without someone passing around a tin collecting for the IRA (no thanks, I gave at the office). You kept your political views to yourself unless you wanted to lose some teeth. Or worse.
There was a nightclub literally around the corner on the main drag. A guy was denied access by security one night. So he went home, got a knife, went back and stabbed the security guy in the neck and killed him.
There was a corner shop a couple of blocks away. A year after the stabbing, some punk tried to roll the place one night and instead of losing a few quid, the old Chinese guy went balistic and chased the guy out of the shop. The young kid panicked, turned back and shot him in the chest. Killed him.
The last year we lived there, a guy called Dennis Nilsen started inviting gay guys back to his apartment, a half a mile from mine, killing them and cutting them up. He is thought to have done this at least a dozen times before being caught.
Now I could well imagine you relating a similar story and using that to justify being armed to the teeth. The area sounds like downtown Caracas. But that thought literally never entered my head. Not that I had any real knowledge of how I'd do it anyway. Security guys are at risk of violence as part of their job. It didn't affect me. And being armed isn't much help if a guy has just stuck a knife in your ear. Individual armed robberies were unheard of in London. It was an exceptional event and a dumb act by the albeit brave but foolish shopkeeper. And Nilsen? He lived in the same street as my daughter's kindy but my family and I were in zero danger from him.
And the IRA? Well, being armed doesn't really help if a bomb goes off in a pub as it did in Guildford, killing 5 and Birmingham, killing 21. The IRA group responsible lived about 3 miles south of Cricklewood.
But in America? You'd probably have a small arsenal trying to protect yourself.
Probably coastal Queensland (see Florida and Southern Brazil comparisons) if you're OK with humidity.
This map gives you a comparative picture of Australian climate zones. Note that the Sonora, Sahara, most of South Africa and India comparisons are all virtually unpopulated due mainly to a lack of reliable surface water. The far north is monsoonal with wet and dry seasons.
Most Australians live in the more temperate SE corner and East coast. As you go north along the east coast the population thins out. Most people live within 100 km of the coast.
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Climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia | Daily Mail Online
OB
You name incidents where people who were attacked may or may not have seen the attack coming. If not, then they wouldn't have the chance to defend themselves. But you leave out the possibly that any of them could have seen the attack coming. The ones who do, and are able to defend themselves, are the ones who live to tell about it. The defenseless ones don't.
As usual there is something missing from the map of Australia.Probably coastal Queensland (see Florida and Southern Brazil comparisons) if you're OK with humidity.
This map gives you a comparative picture of Australian climate zones. Note that the Sonora, Sahara, most of South Africa and India comparisons are all virtually unpopulated due mainly to a lack of reliable surface water. The far north is monsoonal with wet and dry seasons.
Most Australians live in the more temperate SE corner and East coast. As you go north along the east coast the population thins out. Most people live within 100 km of the coast.
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Climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia | Daily Mail Online
OB
You name incidents where people who were attacked may or may not have seen the attack coming. If not, then they wouldn't have the chance to defend themselves. But you leave out the possibly that any of them could have seen the attack coming. The ones who do, and are able to defend themselves, are the ones who live to tell about it. The defenseless ones don't.
A look at who is committing these crimes would tell
you what kind of problem you have.
Ive heard thats a no- no.
I saw the attack coming and there was zero I could
do about it.
It was a heads up about what violence can actually entail. I named three incredibly violent scenarios that were centered within a minutes walk of where I lived and two that were organised a couple of miles from where I lived that all ended in death. None of which would have been prevented by being armed. So a simple 'violence is increasing' argument, which we just had upstream and was shown to be completely and utterly incorrect, isn't worth a hill of beans even if it IS correct.
As I keep saying, it's a mindset. Almost an excuse to get a gun. The reasons given are almost always fallacious and do nothing but weaken any genuine reason for gun ownership. There are too many of you crying wolf and none of you, at least on this forum, can even bring themselves to discuss obvious problems and honest attempts to solve them. It's exactly like the mindset that those who want abortioned banned and will flat out refuse to discuss any proposals to lessen the problem.
The Welsh come in at a rather miserable 0.1%. Which actually surprised me seeing the number of Welsh town names in Australia, especially in mining areas. There's a Swansea (my home town) just an hour north of Sydney. And good grief, the whole state is named after my hometown region - (New) South Wales.
But then, most of us are a home loving crowd. Not like the Irish or the Scots.
If by 'failed to deal with criminality' you mean that the administrations of Bush, Clinton, Bush jnr, Obama and Trump have overseen a significant drop in violent crime and property crime then you'd be right (although I don't follow your logic). From: What the data says (and doesn’t say) about crime in the United States
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And you might note that gun ownership has fluctuated between a low of 37% of households and the present 42% - the rise coinciding with covid. Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2021 | Statista
So your argument doesn't just fail. It becomes incoherent. And I mentioned this earlier, if your arguments prove to be obviously wrong, it damages your whole position. Maybe you need better arguments.
Since I wasn't there, I can't say what you may have been able to do. But there are times when a woman notices someone following her, such as when she's out jogging and she sees a car passing slowly by, then drives ahead and turns around and then parks in her path as if waiting for her. She could decide to change direction, or be ready to use a weapon of some kind if she has it (gun, knife, pepper spray, etc). Every situation is different, and that's what often determines what options she might have. But simply being aware of one's surroundings is the very first thing a self defense trainer will say to do.
As usual there is something missing from the map of Australia
It was a heads up about what violence can actually entail. I named three incredibly violent scenarios that were centered within a minutes walk of where I lived and two that were organised a couple of miles from where I lived that all ended in death. None of which would have been prevented by being armed. So a simple 'violence is increasing' argument, which we just had upstream and was shown to be completely and utterly incorrect, isn't worth a hill of beans even if it IS correct.
As I keep saying, it's a mindset. Almost an excuse to get a gun. The reasons given are almost always fallacious and do nothing but weaken any genuine reason for gun ownership. There are too many of you crying wolf and none of you, at least on this forum, can even bring themselves to discuss obvious problems and honest attempts to solve them. It's exactly like the mindset that those who want abortioned banned and will flat out refuse to discuss any proposals to lessen the problem.
That doesn't answer my question about why 90% of people there believe even stricter laws are still needed.
A bit of communism as well. The longer they're willing to forget history, the more they'll remember how the good old days used to be a decade from now.
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