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I Can't Stand Churches!

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thenewageriseth said:
Wow. Hoosier. I'm sorry that happened to you. You know what? I know a pastor, and she's sweet and she'll say hi. I met this older woman (who I found out was the pastor's sister later), and I said hi to her. She said hi back, but she had this [glow=blue] COLD[/glow] stare! *shivers* :eek: I wouldn't mind if I don't see her for a while. She gave off these vibes that I picked up...oooh...I was gonna mention that to my cousin, before I found out she was related to the pastor, then I just changed my mind.
Well, guess what? People aren't perfect and some people are still learning how to love others. None of us will be perfect till we're in heaven (sadly)

Maybe dealing with not so friendly people is a way for God to teach us how to love others, even those who don't love us back.
 
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True... I would agree that people are still learning...

I would also agree that though people are learning, the entire church is not at the same level of maturity.... because of this, there should be some system of mentoring/accountability/discipleship. Many times, I have found that while a new(er) Christian is struggling with loving others and making them feel loved... there are others that should know better and should be instructing them. So, even if I enter a church and 1-2 people are rude/uncaring.... I should have 5-6 more mature Christians making me feel loved and accepted... however, I have found that a lot of times, even the "mature" Christians act the same way.

this is a problem.
 
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Alpine said:
Well, guess what? People aren't perfect and some people are still learning how to love others. None of us will be perfect till we're in heaven (sadly)

Maybe dealing with not so friendly people is a way for God to teach us how to love others, even those who don't love us back.

I agree. I've been dealing with idiotic/non-Christlike behaviour at churches....and in my OWN life for 20 years but what does this say to a 'new' Christian who just isn't sure about everything. Is it okay to justify being a snob because 'we aren't perfect.'? I can't count how many times I've wanted to turn my back on God because His people and I just can't seem to get along. Am I going to be shunned when I get to heaven too? :eek:
 
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HoosierCanuck said:
I agree. I've been dealing with idiotic/non-Christlike behaviour at churches....and in my OWN life for 20 years but what does this say to a 'new' Christian who just isn't sure about everything. Is it okay to justify being a snob because 'we aren't perfect.'? I can't count how many times I've wanted to turn my back on God because His people and I just can't seem to get along. Am I going to be shunned when I get to heaven too? :eek:
Hoosier :hug: you will not be shunned in heaven. I'm thinking it will be a lot of love !
 
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lonnienord said:
Dear HoosierCanuck, May i make a couple of suggestions:
1. Pray!! Pray for the pastor and the church you visited!! Do that daily for at least 3 days.
2. Tell the pastor what happened. Either call him or write him a letter.
3. Keep praying for the pastor and the church!!
4. Ask GOD if that is the church HE wants you to minister in.
5. If it is the church GOD wants you in. Join get to know people. (yup some of them are hypicrites and all of them are sinners just like me and you) After you get to know the people become a welcoming committee. When ever you see some one new be friendly with them!!
6. Read the first chapter of the Purpose Driven Life. Remember that it is not all about you!!
7. Pray!!

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I too have suffered from "Church" But one day I realized, Ask not what your church can do for you - But what you can do for your church!"

A man wrote Billy Graham once with exactly what you have written, and I too have experienced. And Mr. Graham said – “How do you know God doesn't want to use YOU? Have you asked Him?” That was where a light bulb came on in my head! Ah ha... You obviously know there is something wrong. Now what are you going to do about it? What have you learned about setting examples? Have you asked God? Do you know how to listen to His answers?

What happens is that we lower our guards, and let ourselves become vulnerable to others in "Church" because we think they will "understand". And they should. But sometimes that just doesn't happen! Sometimes that leaves us open for hurt. You know what? That is ok. There is no shame in honesty. There is no shame in humility. Solomon wrote of seven sins the Lord hates. Haughtiness is clearly one of them.

Understand though -Church is a hospital for sick people. The thing is about church, at least there; people are seeking the same healing you are. At the very least, closer to gaining a true personal relationship with God. Rather than out in every day life with no direction. (But that can happen too!) Sometimes Church is a hard place to be. But testing of our faith is a natural part of being a Christian. Praise God when you deal with these issues – because this means you are in a working relationship with God. He is put you on the potter’s wheel! And mostly if you are experiencing trials remember Satan doesn’t mess with his own. Nothing angers me more than those that are earnestly seeking God and turned away. But have faith. God just might be teaching you something. He has me and continues to do so every day.
 
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HoosierCanuck said:
Ever since saying the sinner's prayer and attempting to live the Christian life nearly 20 years ago, I've been to church after church...usually in 2-3 year spurts and I can't help but be angry at the fact that I've run into the same thing time after time....People are simply snobs! Take the place I visited today...I've known the Pastor since I was a teenager when he was a youth Pastor at another church. I visited his church (in an attempt to give churches a chance again!) and got a VERY COLD reception....the greeter opened the door and said "hi" but wouldn't even look at me and everyone else who bothered to make eye contact just sized me up and didn't bother to say anything to me. I found this to be very sad because the Pastor there is an awesome person...very down-to-earth, gives great, meaningful sermons and truly has a heart for God. I just wish his congregation did! If I hadn't had such a horrible experience I might have considered returning.

Prior to this disasterous visit to a church for the first time in a few months, I would simply go to a local park and sit at a picnic table and pray and read my bible. I honestly felt like I got closer to God during these times! Not to mention, I didn't have to worry about being rejected by 300 hypocrites and leaving a building feeling less than spiritual. Everyone says 'church is necessary for fellowship, etc..." but my question is....WHERE is the fellowship? I feel churches are nothing more than Country Clubs for Christians....maybe I would have been accepted had I been 'invited' by a member instead of 'just visiting.'

Dude. I feel the same way. I mean...I'm close to God, I love Him and everything about Him..but I get more out of watching church on TV (bayless) than I do AT church...the only thing I miss at home is fellowship..but I NEVER got that at church anyway...I'm sort of a geek you see..my wife and I both..we love technology..games, movies, etc..all that geeky fun stuff...and christians like that are few and far between...that's why I can never make friends...I don't LOOK like a geek...I just have geeky hobbies that few christians seem to be into :p
 
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Wow, That is so sad,and I am so sorry to hear that you haven't found a home church. After I ran back to the Lord when my husband died and I tried a few churches on my own. I finally prayed and asked God to lead me to a Bible blelieving and preaching church that He was pleased with,and Praise The Lord,He did! I absolutely love my church family and everytime we get together it is like a family reunion,because that is exactly what it is. Visitors give wonderful testimonies on how they can feel the welcome and love at our church . So all I can suggest is please put it in God's hands,because I can't imagine not fellowshipping with fellow believers,plus we are to use our spiritual gifts to edify the church body. I know when I hear testimonies at church,they make my faith abound. Please be aware that the first attack the enemy uses is getting you to not attend church, then you lose your desire to read the Word,[you mentioned you already have a problem there,but you can ask God to give you a thirst and a hunger for His Word,and to bless you with understanding of it], and then your prayer life suffers,till next thing, you are back in the world! I will pray for you sister. God Bless.
 
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I suppose if I made up a whole new list of hobbies...acted a little less thoughtful and got into sports then I would probably fit into a church and make friends.

But then that wouldn't really be me. :)

Alas..Christian geeky types are homeless.
 
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HoosierCanuck said:
Ever since saying the sinner's prayer and attempting to live the Christian life nearly 20 years ago, I've been to church after church...usually in 2-3 year spurts and I can't help but be angry at the fact that I've run into the same thing time after time....People are simply snobs! Take the place I visited today...I've known the Pastor since I was a teenager when he was a youth Pastor at another church. I visited his church (in an attempt to give churches a chance again!) and got a VERY COLD reception....the greeter opened the door and said "hi" but wouldn't even look at me and everyone else who bothered to make eye contact just sized me up and didn't bother to say anything to me. I found this to be very sad because the Pastor there is an awesome person...very down-to-earth, gives great, meaningful sermons and truly has a heart for God. I just wish his congregation did! If I hadn't had such a horrible experience I might have considered returning.

Prior to this disasterous visit to a church for the first time in a few months, I would simply go to a local park and sit at a picnic table and pray and read my bible. I honestly felt like I got closer to God during these times! Not to mention, I didn't have to worry about being rejected by 300 hypocrites and leaving a building feeling less than spiritual. Everyone says 'church is necessary for fellowship, etc..." but my question is....WHERE is the fellowship? I feel churches are nothing more than Country Clubs for Christians....maybe I would have been accepted had I been 'invited' by a member instead of 'just visiting.'

I have experienced what you describe here, myself, many times.

For years and years, even though I would have loved to have had a church to call home, I stayed away. Too disgusted with how congregations acted and treated people to ever want to feel I belonged in that group.

In the last couple of years, as I have grown older, my desires for a church home with a loving church family grew stronger and stronger. I began to pray earnestly for God to lead me to the church HE wanted me in. A church where I would worship Him and a church that was scripturally based, scripturally sound. I said, "Father, I'm sick to death of the churches and their MAN-MADE DOCTRINE. I want to go to a church where they know and study your word, and follow your law. Where YOU are first and foremost in that building."

He led me to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I went the first time, all alone except for my 15 year old son by my side. I knew absolutely no one in that church, but God. I remember my son saying, "Mom, that's the only one who matters". Kids can be so wise.

I remember being somewhat nervous, but that nervousness was immediately replaced with gladness and a sense of belonging that I had never experienced in a church before. We felt welcomed immediately, because we WERE welcome. That was February 6, 2005. On April 16 I was baptized into the church. This past July, my daughter was baptized into the church. She had started attending with me, and loved it as much as I did, as quickly as I did. I remember her first words to me, on the trip home from her first Sabbath. She said, "Mom, I don't believe I have EVER felt so accepted just for who I am, in a church before. Especially not on the first visit." I knew exactly what she meant. We don't "rush" visitors. We are all friendly, but we don't "push". You know you are very welcome and that we hope you will return, but we do not push our faith, our particular brand of religion down one's throat. We let the Holy Spirit do it's job.

Our church has a visitor's lunch each week. That way anyone who visits with us can sit down to a bite to eat and some fellowship.

I have never been happier since joining this church. But I'm not telling you this to sell you on Adventism. I'm telling you this story so that hopefully you will be encouraged and turn to prayer in seeking out a home church. Let God lead you, ask Him to show you where He wants you to be, and He will.

He led me to this wonderful church, where my spiritual gifts were manifested and put to use.

He will do the same for all who ask.

May God Bless you in your search for a "home".
 
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Victrixa said:
There are truly holy and real Christians out there, however, one has to find them. There are a few really Spirit-lead churches as well.
Unfortunately, the biggest disease in God's Church these days is lack of love. Where has Christ-like love gone to? It's very sad. We need to pray, we need to be examples, we need to help make true disciples of our Lord. Christ's body is ill and wounded. Healing for the Church will come, in God's time. In the meantime, there is a lot of suffering for true sensitive God-fearing Christians.
Yes - what you said is, sadly, true.

re: Where has Christ-like love gone to? - it is being cast-out, of Heaven, in favor of 'negative'-emotions being invited to stay, set-up shop, & fester inside Christian-bodies, to the point of 'multiple dis :eek: eased conditions growing, increasingly, o/o bounds.' -
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can not force Christians partaking... they
must *WANT with every ounce of their being* - before Healing can commence...

more later...
 
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I found this to be very sad because the Pastor there is an awesome person...very down-to-earth, gives great, meaningful sermons and truly has a heart for God. I just wish his congregation did! If I hadn't had such a horrible experience I might have considered returning
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Gracious HOosier, if I found a Pastor like that, I would pay no attention to the parishioners at all and just walk by them right up to the very front so I wouldn't see them and just thoroughly enjoy God and the Pastor.:hug:
 
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I've been tempted to go back. My dad goes there occasionally. I think he has the same problem I have. He's commented before that he loves to listen to this particular pastor but he can't stand to sit there "in a room full of hypocrites." I thought he was exaggerating until I witnessed it for myself.

I'm really torn. The aforementioned church is VERY reserved....music is pretty much traditional hymns, etc... Nothing wrong with that. I previously attended a church for 2 1/2 years that had more upbeat music complete with drums and guitar. I liked the music style but on the other hand my 'roots' are more in tune with traditional music. That church was more 'charismatic.' There were times in that church that I really felt the Spirit and it was a feeling I can't describe other than to say it was like a warm, comforting feeling. I left that one because I didn't feel comfortable with the way things were headed. I felt like the pastor was going more for 'feel good' sermons rather than Bible-based truth and they replaced mid-week services with 'small groups' and when it came time for me to pick a small group they 'threw me in' with the college/career group because that's "where I would fit better". They really didn't give ME a choice in the matter....the marrieds apparently didn't want a single person in their midst. The college and career averaged 10-13 years younger than me so I really didn't feel comfortable there either. Also, the college and career met on Tuesday nights which didn't work well with my work schedule. Some of the other groups (which I apparently wasn't allowed to join!) met later in the week which would have been easier for me to attend.

I have a long-time friend who attends another church with her husband. She's invited me to go there. I've been there once....they are like the extreme opposite of the first church I mentioned here. The music is SOOOOOOOOO loud I don't know how you can get anything out of it. The people are friendly though. I remember leaving there thinking "well, that was nice but I have a headache." yikes!

I'm really confused about what 'fits' me. On one hand, I feel like traditional services are the thing to do because that's what I grew up off and on going to. However, my daily life seems to fit a more contemporary style. I just don't want to give up the IMPORTANT stuff just to find a service that will keep me awake, so to speak. I'm not even sure that there IS such a church in existence: friendly, uplifting, upbeat with 100% God content.
 
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Ok people being imperfect is NOT an excuse for them to be cold and unwelcoming. That's just wrong and it bugs me because that is what turns a lot of people off of coming to Christ. I comend (is that the right word, it's supposed to be a good thing- like congratulate) you for your perseverance, I think most people would've given up completly on God by now. Maybe you should let the pastor know because maybe he hasn't noticed that it's a problem.

I'm lucky because our pastor has pushed the importance of making people feel welcome when they come in and making people feel that the church is a little bit of "heaven on earth." It works and I do feel welcome whenevr I go (although sometimes I do feel a bit like I'm on the fringe, like I'm not one of the 'characters' but I go ultimatly for fellowship with God). Very often though i keep hearing of churches that sound like a little bit of hell on earth. It's so fustrating:mad: how can Christians get it so wrong?! I do my best to get it right. ANd when I meet you in heaven i'll make you feel welcome :thumbsup:

As for the singing, maybe you could find a church that sings traditional hymns and modern songs. just a thought.

For the "geeky" person you might want to try my church cos i known quite a few computer geeks there lol! :D Alright so it might be a bit far. lol!

 
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Dear HoosierCanuk please don't give up,because there is a church out there like you are looking for,I know because I am blessed to be in one. You can't imagine how it thrills me to hear visitors testify that they could feel God's spirit and our Love for Him and each other and the welcome when they first came to our church. We have the Amen's.Praise and Thank You Lord",and an "ON FIRE" Youth group.Plus all types of music ministry[Southern Gospel, Hymns, Contemporary] Our Pastor cries and thanks God often for our church having a heart for God and our brothers and sisters, in Christ. God lead me to this church after I prayed asking Him to find one for me.
Remembering you in prayer to be Blessed the same. With Love,From Your Sis,In Christ,Chris :hug: :hug: :hug: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :groupray: :groupray: :groupray: :bow: :bow: :bow:
 
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