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Okay, once upon a time I was Christian...long story short: I lost my faith. It's okay, I'm fine with that.

However, over the period of my 32 years I have had about 6 major events, in which I, or someone close to me was severely hurt. Sometimes that hurt was emotional, sometimes physical, once was actually financial. These were all done by Christians directly because of their Christian faith, often in the name of God. This obviously has caused me to form something of an intense distrust of Christians. While I admit, the first three events certainly did contribute to my loss of Christian faith, my issues with Christianity the religion are far more rooted in terms of philosphy, and simply what I am able to believe. But my issues with Christians, or modern day, Western Christians at least, are based on my own personal experiences.

As a bit of a metaphor of what I feel, when I was a teenager I ate a bad cherry tomato. It was really rotten. I was really sick for eating that, and it was traumatizing. Ever since, I haven't been able to eat cherry tomatoes, as just seeing them makes me queasy. If I do eat one (as happened once when one was hidden in a wrap), I get ill. I can eat normal sized tomatoes just fine, and it's not that I don't like the taste, I just have a mental block about it.

Well, it's sort of the same mental block with putting faith in Christians. If someone tells me about their Christian faith, if I see a cross around their neck, or whatever I just back away. I don't associate with them, I certainly don't put myself in a situation where I have to depend on them. Remember, it was one incident with a cherry tomato, and 6 major incidents with Christians.

Truthfully, I really do feel bad about it. I'm sure there are Christians out there who are perfectly nice, and loving people, and I know that such an admission seems unfair to these people. Yes, it probably is. But that's a rationalization for me to make, and my negativity toward Christians is primarily emotional, or for that matter more of a conditioned response.

This is sort of my way of apologizing in a sense. Particularly to those Christians that really are good people, and don't deserve to be lumped in with the rest. I can only say: I'm sorry, don't take it personally.

It's also a quick means of explanation. I get angry on here a lot, but generally only in response to certain things, and they are very personal. I'm not going to say what they are, or why it is. I will only say that under the circumstances, I believe my anger is understandable. Still, I'm sorry to those that don't deserve it.
 
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you are forgiven. I am sorry for what you have experienced from other christians. I think sometimes we think to much into things. God said it would not be easy for us, but we also must realize that we christians that read our bible and do things for the right reasons are called to love and show what a true christian is about. I think the people you have come across probably do not read their bible or attend church on a regular basis and if they do they are only going to put their so called time in because they think they will be rewarded and blessed from God by just showing up at church. This is not so, as God only rewards those that diligently seek him. That means reading your bible, going to church, serving him in the field, obeying his word and loving and forgiving others. We cannot expect anything from God if we do not give him our time and serve him, it just will not happen sorry to say. People that go to church and are christian like and bold in the market places like it sounds like your friends are, are not really christians they are called pharasees. They love to show off and God will judge them on judgement day. If you are interested in who God really is, then find him for yourself. He will reveal himself to those that really want to know him. He is wonderful, he is light and he is love. Try him for you today, not for someone else. Narrow is the gate that we all must pass through., but few will find it..
 
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Okay, once upon a time I was Christian...long story short: I lost my faith. It's okay, I'm fine with that.

However, over the period of my 32 years I have had about 6 major events, in which I, or someone close to me was severely hurt. Sometimes that hurt was emotional, sometimes physical, once was actually financial. These were all done by Christians directly because of their Christian faith, often in the name of God. This obviously has caused me to form something of an intense distrust of Christians. While I admit, the first three events certainly did contribute to my loss of Christian faith, my issues with Christianity the religion are far more rooted in terms of philosphy, and simply what I am able to believe. But my issues with Christians, or modern day, Western Christians at least, are based on my own personal experiences.

As a bit of a metaphor of what I feel, when I was a teenager I ate a bad cherry tomato. It was really rotten. I was really sick for eating that, and it was traumatizing. Ever since, I haven't been able to eat cherry tomatoes, as just seeing them makes me queasy. If I do eat one (as happened once when one was hidden in a wrap), I get ill. I can eat normal sized tomatoes just fine, and it's not that I don't like the taste, I just have a mental block about it.

Well, it's sort of the same mental block with putting faith in Christians. If someone tells me about their Christian faith, if I see a cross around their neck, or whatever I just back away. I don't associate with them, I certainly don't put myself in a situation where I have to depend on them. Remember, it was one incident with a cherry tomato, and 6 major incidents with Christians.

Truthfully, I really do feel bad about it. I'm sure there are Christians out there who are perfectly nice, and loving people, and I know that such an admission seems unfair to these people. Yes, it probably is. But that's a rationalization for me to make, and my negativity toward Christians is primarily emotional, or for that matter more of a conditioned response.

This is sort of my way of apologizing in a sense. Particularly to those Christians that really are good people, and don't deserve to be lumped in with the rest. I can only say: I'm sorry, don't take it personally.

It's also a quick means of explanation. I get angry on here a lot, but generally only in response to certain things, and they are very personal. I'm not going to say what they are, or why it is. I will only say that under the circumstances, I believe my anger is understandable. Still, I'm sorry to those that don't deserve it.

I understand anger. I empathize with why you'd be angry. I have wrestled with God more times than i can count.

I apologize for seeming to accuse you of things that may not apply to you at all. Christians are just people. None of us are perfect. Peter cussed. As a recovering cuss-er i relate to him. i relate to anyone struggling, experiencing pain, or who has experienced pain or trauma.

Thank you for posting this thread.

Dialog, honest dialog, is precious.
 
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you are forgiven. I am sorry for what you have experienced from other christians.

Thank you.

I think the people you have come across probably do not read their bible or attend church on a regular basis

Most of them are people I went to church with, and did Bible study with, on a regular basis for about 20 years. One is the pastor at my former church. Two are my sisters who took me to church for the first years of my life. I don't think we can blame it on that.

...and if they do they are only going to put their so called time in because they think they will be rewarded and blessed from God by just showing up at church.

That might be so.
 
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