I am thinking of presenting a choice to Evolutionists - would you defer?

[compassion 4 humanity]

I will get back to you in a week; I don't want you to think I am just replying for the sake of it.

You need a week to come up with an answer for a two-sentence response?

 

[Gottservant]

You need a week to come up with an answer for a two-sentence response?

Well, basically you are claiming time without claiming patience.

That doesn't make sense, to start with.

Then you propose the time used has a lodging in an old building, so I should make plans to pay the entry fee - the same fee that realistically would one day be free: if Evolution were true?

 

[Gottservant]

Speciation is a process which takes millions of years to occur. It took aeons for dinosaurs to evolve into birds, so of course no human could have witnessed it.

What you said would have made sense if you had said "after millions of years, speciation starts to occur because..." - what you said, suggests that you are just using your imagination and hoping a partial result (an evolution among many) will somehow hold water.

And I find your comment that no human could have witnessed it, spurious - there's just no way you could know evolution was or was not occuring: given that according to Evolutionist opinion, the right circumstances are all it takes -- the emphasis being on the logic behind the evolution, not the evolution itself.

I am all for "selfless Evolution" and "amplifying or advancing Evolution", but to go from mud to stud as if Evolution just keeps getting better - I don't know, its just a bizarre nightmare to me: one day, they won't do anything more than laugh that Evolution could be anything -- as if now you would say people will only ever want to remember Evolution more (they won't).

 

[Gottservant]

I have been thinking about this more and it has been troubling me... there should be a cultural impasse that as long as a creed is doing something constructive, those who don't know any better shouldn't interfere - that makes sense right?

But what we have is Evolution taking over the culture, as if members of other faiths don't have a grip on what motivates them and the good works they do: I'm not complaining, I'm just saying "your airtime should be fairtime".

What if I were to say "there is no God, every body stop working"? It wouldn't take, people would laugh me off the map -- but that's exactly what Evolutionists do to every other faith but theirs.

Right at the point other faiths say "well, there is our God to explain the rest" Evolution steps and says "the only mystery is why science is so slow to explain absolutely everything" - scientism is a curse! And their calculations are whacked out to boot!

What if I claimed to be the last relevant development of a monkey left - if I said, I am absolutely the last reason to think about anything but humanity - would people say "Oh, well, we believe that, come now everyone: start to development post-transhuman thoughts and we will leave this monkey offal of a man to his doom!": are you going to tell me that the prospect of a living sacrifice is going to make a difference? They rejected Christ! How could it?! Where would that leave the living sacrifice, that Christ still is?

God said exactly this through Christ when Christ spoke of the rich man in Hell: "tell my family!" said the rich man and God said to him "they didn't believe Moses, why would they believe another messenger?" If they kill the spirit of inquiry with false conjecture, how is anything but broken hatred their inheritance? How would they change one hatred for another, as if they knew the difference? This is not a joke, its an attrition of defeatist logic gone haywire!

I have one thought left, in my brain at this point: I will come back after I have given this rant some thought (you may want to skip over it yourself, or rant along with it - I don't know!)

 

[SilverBear]

What I mean is, it is possible for selection pressure to be such that you revert to your original type or kind. This does not mean you are lacking evolutionary attributes that you would have had if you had evolved that way from the start. You have evolutionary attributes because you were you by design, from the outset.

species don't "revert" they move on or die out. It is a misnomer to say dogs evolved from wolves when the reality is both dogs and modern wolves evolved from an earlier form of wolves. Having evolved into two distinct species that earlier form of wolves no longer exists just as the species wolves evolved from, the miacids no longer exists.