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The Holy spirit can be grieved, and God is a jealous God. God spoke of Israel as being a cheating spouse. All those things mean that God does care.
Are these God's words? Really, anyone can be grieved......... but God because you don't love him? That sounds silly. He should just love his family, people, and friends. I mean, love his friends, but not take it to the but hole.
 
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Are these God's words? Really, anyone can be grieved......... but God because you don't love him? That sounds silly. He should just love his family, people, and friends. I mean, love his friends, but not take it to the but hole.
Yes God's word says that Hes a jealous God, and that his spirit can be grieved. Its my opinion that God gave us relationships such as marriage and children, so we can understand how He feels when we don't love Him, or obey Him. Look at Israel the cheating spouse. Thats a glimpse into the mind of God in my opinion.
 
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Yes God's word says that Hes a jealous God, and that his spirit can be grieved. Its my opinion that God gave us relationships such as marriage and children, so we can understand how He feels when we don't love Him, or obey Him. Look at Israel the cheating spouse. Thats a glimpse into the mind of God in my opinion.
Anyone can be grieved.
 
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"What... judgement on people who do what hey want and smoke weed? That's poor judgement."

I didn't say anything about people smoking weed. I think doing so is stupid, really stupid, but if some fool wants to destroy his brain smoking pot, well, that's his right. I just hope such a person doesn't get behind the wheel of a car and kill somebody or end up a giggling idiot in institutionalized care.

Why shouldn't we judge the behaviour of others (and ourselves) as morally right or wrong? You talk of poor judgment but in doing so are judging, too. But this is an unavoidable part of being a thinking and moral person.

"He may be right, but some people are their own person."

No one living in God's universe is truly "their own person." Every person who exists, or who has ever existed, depends at every moment on God for their existence. I don't see, then, how anyone can claim to be "their own person."

"Many are, and to "dictate" how you ought to live is criminal."

But this is exactly what you're doing here! You are dictating how others ought to think and asserting that if others don't agree with you, they are "criminal."

"To live how you want is better,"

Better than what? You realize that when you use words like "better," you are making a judgment about the quality of something. How do you know what "better" is? What fixed point of reference do you use to determine what is better or worse? We only know a crooked line by comparison to a straight one. Without such a standard, it is impossible to say that something is better or worse. All you can say, if you don't use a fixed and objective standard (ie. a straight line) by which to judge a thing as better or worse, is that you prefer one thing over another.

"it's just some people, Christian or not, need God, and he should help his sons, devil or not, regardless. He should be a strong God and father."

Why should God behave as you think He should? Who made you God over God?

Damning people and pagans... killing them... judging them... because they are who they are, young and cool, over judging them and OVER punishing them, even if they like or believe in God. Games, weed, whatever. It's not right, that is criminal.

God kills us all. None of us is getting off this planet alive. But God has the right as the Giver of all life also to be its Taker.

God also sets the rules for His universe and all that is within it. That's His right as God. And He says that sin deserves judgment and punishment, that the result of sin is always ultimately death. He can say this because He's God and has made and sustains all of reality all the time.

On what basis do you decide what is "criminal." Are you just talking about your opinion? If so, I can only point out that we all have opinions. What makes your opinion any better than the opinion of the person who disagrees with you? Why should we care about your opinion?
 
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Anyone can be grieved.
Hi David ...I smoked weed all of my life ..was a musician /songwriter ..part of growing up in the 60's I guess . Grew up in church ..sang in the choir ..was not an atheist. Here is the thing though ..and the truth is what it is ..the truth does not care what I think about it ( or Him ) . It occurred to me yesterday that how does one become mindless ? By pursuing mindlessness activities . ( I am an old stoner so I know all of the " Weed opens up your mind ..new dimensions , etc. " Been there done that" so I understand the argument ...But the reality is ...eternal life is much more serious than just life and death and since our actions effect others ( or fail to ) it is too important to walk through life in a fog ...And there is discernment which is not judgement . ( Does one get angry with a doctor when he makes a diagnosis of impending death which he needs to diagnose if it is to be treated . )
There is paying attention to spiritual things or not . When Jesus said to strive to enter in ..it does not appear to be a haphazard journey ... And the kingdom of heaven is a place prepared as a reward for Abraham , Moses and others who love righteousness where Christ is the King ...Man is not the King ..we do not get to vote and we do not get to decide anything for we are not God ...whether we be there or not ..what does it matter ..God loved the world and demonstrated that by giving us His Son ...we are adopted but we must be transformed into His image . Eternity is not a place for rebels ..for rebels love self rule and have rejected life . By the way ...weed is only one of many ways we can become mindless ...mindless entertainment while people are lost is not very loving and eternity is a place of love for those who love .
 
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I've heard and read so much about "having a relationship with Jesus and God", but I just don't get it.

To me the Bible is a gigantic rule book telling you that if you don't follow every single detail of it, God will make you suffer for eternity.
For now, set aside everything you have learned about God. Find a journaling book and a cool looking pen. For now, let God simply be a higher power. Jesus and Genesis can come later. For now, just let God be that Creator who is greater than yourself, who loves you and wants what is best for you. Spend 5-10 minutes writing to Him/Her/It each morning. Share your joys and sorrows. Ask questions, even if you don't hear an answer. Yell about injustices. Complain about religion. Ask for help in your life. Examine your conscience. Set goals for improvement. Seek virtues. Cry if you need to. Make a list for your day and ask him to be with you. Whatever comes into your mind, write it in your journal. You will be surprised how over time this will change you. You will grow. More will come. Who knows where it will take you.
 
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Hi David ...I smoked weed all of my life ..was a musician /songwriter ..part of growing up in the 60's I guess . Grew up in church ..sang in the choir ..was not an atheist. Here is the thing though ..and the truth is what it is ..the truth does not care what I think about it ( or Him ) . It occurred to me yesterday that how does one become mindless ? By pursuing mindlessness activities . ( I am an old stoner so I know all of the " Weed opens up your mind ..new dimensions , etc. " Been there done that" so I understand the argument ...But the reality is ...eternal life is much more serious than just life and death and since our actions effect others ( or fail to ) it is too important to walk through life in a fog ...And there is discernment which is not judgement . ( Does one get angry with a doctor when he makes a diagnosis of impending death which he needs to diagnose if it is to be treated . )
There is paying attention to spiritual things or not . When Jesus said to strive to enter in ..it does not appear to be a haphazard journey ... And the kingdom of heaven is a place prepared as a reward for Abraham , Moses and others who love righteousness where Christ is the King ...Man is not the King ..we do not get to vote and we do not get to decide anything for we are not God ...whether we be there or not ..what does it matter ..God loved the world and demonstrated that by giving us His Son ...we are adopted but we must be transformed into His image . Eternity is not a place for rebels ..for rebels love self rule and have rejected life . By the way ...weed is only one of many ways we can become mindless ...mindless entertainment while people are lost is not very loving and eternity is a place of love for those who love .
Wassup. I know, you should get angry at "doctors" making life impending diagnosis'.... the thing is some people need bot cigarettes, some need bit, but initialy, and I do mean this, weed alone is better. Whe you smoke only cigs after weed you get older, and wisdom paralyzes you, but with good enough wisdom, and discipline, you can be saved... The actual Devi, red guy, made weed and it is definitely better than cigs and cigarettes, and sometimes wisdom isn't good, sometimes it is. So is the goodness of the lord and Christ. God is good, and he is thw father of the Devil. Most all were Gods at one time, or angels.
 
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Are these God's words? Really, anyone can be grieved......... but God because you don't love him? That sounds silly. He should just love his family, people, and friends. I mean, love his friends, but not take it to the but hole.
How does any of what the previous poster said equal what you are saying that God doesn’t love us? As a matter of fact, God not only loves us, He delights in us and adopts is as children of God. Heirs of Christ and heirs of the Fatber.

Boy you got that wrong.

Now is a perfect, Holy God grieved when we stray? Of course. Any good parent is grieved when their children go astray
And in a direction that leads to pain and hardship.

God loves unbelievers, so why would you not think God loves His adopted children
 
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For now, set aside everything you have learned about God. Find a journaling book and a cool looking pen. For now, let God simply be a higher power. Jesus and Genesis can come later. For now, just let God be that Creator who is greater than yourself, who loves you and wants what is best for you. Spend 5-10 minutes writing to Him/Her/It each morning. Share your joys and sorrows. Ask questions, even if you don't hear an answer. Yell about injustices. Complain about religion. Ask for help in your life. Examine your conscience. Set goals for improvement. Seek virtues. Cry if you need to. Make a list for your day and ask him to be with you. Whatever comes into your mind, write it in your journal. You will be surprised how over time this will change you. You will grow. More will come. Who knows where it will take you.
Good advice. A relationship and building faith is most important
 
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Wassup. I know, you should get angry at "doctors" making life impending diagnosis'.... the thing is some people need bot cigarettes, some need bit, but initialy, and I do mean this, weed alone is better. Whe you smoke only cigs after weed you get older, and wisdom paralyzes you, but with good enough wisdom, and discipline, you can be saved... The actual Devi, red guy, made weed and it is definitely better than cigs and cigarettes, and sometimes wisdom isn't good, sometimes it is. So is the goodness of the lord and Christ. God is good, and he is thw father of the Devil. Most all were Gods at one time, or angels.
David ...when Jesus said " He that has ears to hear , let them hear " ... it goes along with the scripture that God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble and we are saved by God's grace . The garce that brings salvation has appeared to all men , TEACHING us that denying ungodliness and worldly lust , we should live soberly , righteously and Godly in this present world ....That also agrees with Paul ..teach the young men to be sober minded ....Paul also admonished Timothy to preach teh word in season and out of season because men will heap top them selves teachers having itching ears ...and this about BELIEVERS in the last days ..not atheist ...believers will look for an easy way . David , your soul depends on you being sober minded . " if our gospel is hidden , it is hidden to those who PERISH ...who the god of THIS WORLD has BLINDED their hearts and MINDS ....David ..have you ever heard the word blind as it relates to smoking weed ? I have ..it was another word for getting stoned .... This is not a game David and do not believe every spirit . This is deadly serious.
 
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