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The Apostle Paul said...

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: -1 Corinthians 2:4

And what does the Spirit reveal :confused:
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:9

So... The Spirit reveals things pertaining to the next world... Which builds hope... Which enhances E/c2.
 
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Can the spirit become dissipated and leave the body so the once happy baby is now without the former joy?

I don't know dude, I don't even know if there is anything that transcends the flesh which continues on after death.
 
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There are simply spiritual forces whose winds blow through this earth...


Spiritual E/c2... Energy (Motivation, Warmth, Love) / c2 (Faith, Hope, Charity, Joy)

The opposite of m = E/c2 is n = z/d

Spiritual z/d... z (Laziness, Apathy, Absolute Zero, Hate) / d (Fear, Despair, Greed, Sorrow).

Three spiritual extremes…

Spiritual light – Love, warmth, faith, hope, charity joy, goodness, peace…
Spiritual darkness – Hate, cold, fear, depression, sorrow, greed, evil, war…
The Flesh – Ego, perverted sex, filth, witchcraft, anger, strife, divisions, mysticism… Where does that fit? It is neither light or darkness!

In which I also quote some additional Lao-Tzu according to Wen-Tzu...

22. True peace is achieved by centering and blending with life. Follow the Tao (The Way) and live in harmony. Cultivate character (Te) and develop your highest potential. Te and Tao are the way of life. Abandon either, and the Tao abandons you. Those who study its power will be powerful

42. When your rank is high in the world, then your vitality and spirit are depleted daily, eventually to become dissipated and not return to the body. When the vitality, spirit, will, and energy are calm, they fill you day by day and make you strong. Therefore the sages keep nurturing their spirit, make their energy gentle, and flow with the way.

"When your rank is high in the world, then your vitality and spirit are depleted daily, eventually to become dissipated and not return to the body." - Loo-Tzu

And it true that someone can harden ones heart to the point where the spirit leaves the body, leaving only mental activity.

In the first Star Trek movie the Enterprise travels towards V'ger, a computer that built itself to great extremes. Yet for all those extremes had not spirit, warmth, and the human spiritual qualities.
 
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What top hits deal with intellect? If I were to write a song about logic who would listen to it?

The brain is responsible for feelings, as well as intellect.

Anyway, I'd consider listening to a song like that, if the music was good.
 
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When I was 18 I moved in with my grandmother with $500, a suitcase of clothes, a bible signed by the Freewill Baptist church people in appreciation for teaching Sunday School, and an old beat up car. I did not have much but I did have faith.

I prayed that the Lord send me to the first employer to call and I was hired in as a lead plater operator at a large bearing facility. I have since moved my way up to Lab Technician. I have two nice homes paid for in which I let my sister, nephew, and two others live there free of charge.

I have also profited from the Spiritual E/c2. I am an investor. I have set the following investment rules for myself….

1. Buy a stock or a piece of property with a hope and a future
2. Make sure the stock has good earnings
3. A good dividend payment is also a plus.
4. Never buy a stock after a run-up
5. After the stock runs up and stabilizes it is time to sell

I have made about $150,000 capital gains in the last two years. Before reinvestment I take time to give back to ministry before reinvesting…

9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God. –Leviticus 19:9-10

I have profited much abiding these investment rules. I write this aboard the Carnival Glory on my way out for a week’s Caribbean vacation.
 
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I am aboard the Carnival Glory headed for Puerto Rico. What an excellent opportunity to read Plato's Republic while experiencing a fun day at sea.

The next philosopher on my list is Socrates. It was his student Plato who would write much on his behalf. I begin with Plato's Republic which opens with a bunch of old guys in conversation....

Hope, he (Pindar) says, cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and holiness and is the nurse of his age and the companion of his journey;—hope which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man. -Plato's Republic
 
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In the early ons Of Plato's Repuclic Socrates is in discussion about virtue, justice, and injustice...

Then I will repeat the question which I asked before, in order that our examination of the relative nature of justice and injustice may be carried on regularly. A statement wasmade that injustice is stronger and more powerful than jus- tice, but now justice, having been identified with wisdom and virtue, is easily shown to be stronger than injustice, if injustice is ignorance; this can no longer be questioned by any one. - Plato's Republic

This is going to build up into the doctrine of the divided line.
 
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I am aboard the Carnival Glory headed for Puerto Rico. What an excellent opportunity to read Plato's Republic while experiencing a fun day at sea.

The next philosopher on my list is Socrates. It was his student Plato who would write much on his behalf. I begin with Plato's Republic which opens with a bunch of old guys in conversation....

Hope, he (Pindar) says, cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and holiness and is the nurse of his age and the companion of his journey;—hope which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man. -Plato's Republic

You do understand that philosophy isn't really about finding answers to the questions it asks, right?
 
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In his Republic, Plato illustrates the doctrine of the divided line through an allegory of a cave in which Socrates describes a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows, which are the closest they get in viewing reality.

Having a prisoner released and journeying upward through the cave into the actual outdoors reflects the gaining of knowledge. Upon gazing at the sun he beholds the chief good and the purest form of light and energy. Having seen these things he then feels the responsibility of liberating his friends from their imprisoned minds. To become enlightened means to pass from opinion to enlightenment. To progress from what seems real to what is actually real.

I remember making the trip to the great outdoors as a teenager here in Virginia. One night after one of those red hot Pentecostal revivals, where it seemed liked heaven was showering down much blessings, the people were shouting, running the aisle, your basically extroverted Pentecostal church service, I felt the voice of God talk to me while lying in my bed that evening. “Put the book down” the voice said. After doing so the voice spoke once again saying, “Where is all that hatred and stress?”

On examining my heart there was nothing but sheer beauty. I also felt very close to the celestial world. My senses were also magnified in which the kady-dids outside my grandmothers door seemed to be singing very loud that night, making music to the very Lord God of Hosts. I thank my God, in the long ago, for bringing me out of the cave where I can see and sense these things for myself.

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George Clark Rankin also had an encounter like the Socrates experience, like my experience, in which we were all brought out of a cave and shewn the great spiritual world of E/c2. I too was bored silly in a Sardisean age church before getting it good in a Philadelphian age revival...

"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin

Then he got it good in the Methodist church in Georgia...

After the team had been fed and we had been to supper we put the mules to the wagon, filled it with chairs and we were off to the meeting. When we reached the locality it was about dark and the people were assembling. Their horses and wagons filled up the cleared spaces and the singing was already in progress. My uncle and his family went well up toward the front, but I dropped into a seat well to the rear. It was an old-fashioned Church, ancient in appearance, oblong in shape and unpretentious. It was situated in a grove about one hundred yards from the road. It was lighted with old tallow-dip candles furnished by the neighbors. It was not a prepossessing-looking place, but it was soon crowded and evidently there was a great deal of interest. A cadaverous-looking man stood up in front with a tuning fork and raised and led the songs. There were a few prayers and the minister came in with his saddlebags and entered the pulpit. He was the Rev. W. H. Heath, the circuit rider. His prayer impressed me with his earnestness and there were many amens to it in the audience. I do not remember his text, but it was a typical revival sermon, full of unction and power.

At its close he invited penitents to the altar and a great many young people flocked to it and bowed for prayer. Many of them became very much affected and they cried out distressingly for mercy. It had a strange effect on me. It made me nervous and I wanted to retire. Directly my uncle came back to me, put his arm around my shoulder and asked me if I did not want to be religious. I told him that I had always had that desire, that mother had brought me up that way, and really I did not know anything else. Then he wanted to know if I had ever professed religion. I hardly understood what he meant and did not answer him. He changed his question and asked me if I had ever been to the altar for prayer, and I answered him in the negative. Then he earnestly besought me to let him take me up to the altar and join the others in being prayed for. It really embarrassed me and I hardly knew what to say to him. He spoke to me of my mother and said that when she was a little girl she went to the altar and that Christ accepted her and she had been a good Christian all these years. That touched me in a tender spot, for mother always did do what was right; and then I was far away from her and wanted to see her. Oh, if she were there to tell me what to do!

By and by I yielded to his entreaty and he led forward to the altar. The minister took me by the hand and spoke tenderly to me as I knelt at the altar. I had gone more out of sympathy than conviction, and I did not know what to do after I bowed there. The others were praying aloud and now and then one would rise shoutingly happy and make the old building ring with his glad praise. It was a novel experience to me. I did not know what to pray for, neither did I know what to expect if I did pray. I spent the most of the hour wondering why I was there and what it all meant. No one explained anything to me. Once in awhile some good old brother or sister would pass my way, strike me on the back and tell me to look up and believe and the blessing would come. But that was not encouraging to me. In fact, it sounded like nonsense and the noise was distracting me. Even in my crude way of thinking I had an idea that religion was a sensible thing and that people ought to become religious intelligently and without all that hurrah. I presume that my ideas were the result of the Presbyterian training given to me by old grandfather. By and by my knees grew tired and the skin was nearly rubbed off my elbows. I thought the service never would close, and when it did conclude with the benediction I heaved a sigh of relief. That was my first experience at the mourner's bench.

As we drove home I did not have much to say, but I listened attentively to the conversation between my uncle and his wife. They were greatly impressed with the meeting, and they spoke first of this one and that one who had "come through" and what a change it would make in the community, as many of them were bad boys. As we were putting up the team my uncle spoke very encouragingly to me; he was delighted with the step I had taken and he pleaded with me not to turn back, but to press on until I found the pearl of great price. He knew my mother would be very happy over the start I had made. Before going to sleep I fell into a train of thought, though I was tired and exhausted. I wondered why I had gone to that altar and what I had gained by it. I felt no special conviction and had received no special impression, but then if my mother had started that way there must be something in it, for she always did what was right. I silently lifted my heart to God in prayer for conviction and guidance. I knew how to pray, for I had come up through prayer, but not the mourner's bench sort. So I determined to continue to attend the meeting and keep on going to the altar until I got religion.

Early the next morning I was up and in a serious frame of mind. I went with the other hands to the cottonfield and at noon I slipped off in the barn and prayed. But the more I thought of the way those young people were moved in the meeting and with what glad hearts they had shouted their praises to God the more it puzzled and confused me. I could not feel the conviction that they had and my heart did not feel melted and tender. I was callous and unmoved in feeling and my distress on account of sin was nothing like theirs. I did not understand my own state of mind and heart. It troubled me, for by this time I really wanted to have an experience like theirs.

When evening came I was ready for Church service and was glad to go. It required no urging. Another large crowd was present and the preacher was as earnest as ever. I did not give much heed to the sermon. In fact, I do not recall a word of it. I was anxious for him to conclude and give me a chance to go to the altar. I had gotten it into my head that there was some real virtue in the mourner's bench; and when the time came I was one of the first to prostrate myself before the altar in prayer. Many others did likewise. Two or three good people at intervals knelt by me and spoke encouragingly to me, but they did not help me. Their talks were mere exhortations to earnestness and faith, but there was no explanation of faith, neither was there any light thrown upon my mind and heart. I wrought myself up into tears and cries for help, but the whole situation was dark and I hardly knew why I cried, or what was the trouble with me. Now and then others would arise from the altar in an ecstasy of joy, but there was no joy for me. When the service closed I was discouraged and felt that maybe I was too hardhearted and the good Spirit could do nothing for me.

After we went home I tossed on the bed before going to sleep and wondered why God did not do for me what he had done for mother and what he was doing in that meeting for those young people at the altar. I could not understand it. But I resolved to keep on trying, and so dropped off to sleep. The next day I had about the same experience and at night saw no change in my condition. And so for several nights I repeated the same distressing experience. The meeting took on such interest that a day service was adopted along with the night exercises, and we attended that also. And one morning while I bowed at the altar in a very disturbed state of mind Brother Tyson, a good local preacher and the father of Rev. J. F. Tyson, now of the Central Conference, sat down by me and, putting his hand on my shoulder, said to me: "Now I want you to sit up awhile and let's talk this matter over quietly. I am sure that you are in earnest, for you have been coming to this altar night after night for several days. I want to ask you a few simple questions." And the following questions were asked and answered:

"My son, do you not love God?"

"I cannot remember when I did not love him."

"Do you believe on his Son, Jesus Christ?"

"I have always believed on Christ. My mother taught me that from my earliest recollection."

"Do you accept him as your Savior?"

"I certainly do, and have always done so."

"Can you think of any sin that is between you and the Savior?"

"No, sir; for I have never committed any bad sins."

"Do you love everybody?"

"Well, I love nearly everybody, but I have no ill-will toward any one. An old man did me a wrong not long ago and I acted ugly toward him, but I do not care to injure him."

"Can you forgive him?"

"Yes, if he wanted me to."

"But, down in your heart, can you wish him well?"

"Yes, sir; I can do that."

"Well, now let me say to you that if you love God, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin and if you love your fellowmen and intend by God's help to lead a religious life, that's all there is to religion. In fact, that is all I know about it."

Then he repeated several passages of Scriptures to me proving his assertions. I thought a moment and said to him: "But I do not feel like these young people who have been getting religion night after night. I cannot get happy like them. I do not feel like shouting."

The good man looked at me and smiled and said: "Ah, that's your trouble. You have been trying to feel like them. Now you are not them; you are yourself. You have your own quiet disposition and you are not turned like them. They are excitable and blustery like they are. They give way to their feelings. That's all right, but feeling is not religion. Religion is faith and life. If you have violent feeling with it, all good and well, but if you have faith and not much feeling, why the feeling will take care of itself. To love God and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, turning away from all sin, and living a godly life, is the substance of true religion."

That was new to me, yet it had been my state of mind from childhood. For I remembered that away back in my early life, when the old preacher held services in my grandmother's house one day and opened the door of the Church, I went forward and gave him my hand. He was to receive me into full membership at the end of six months' probation, but he let it pass out of his mind and failed to attend to it.

As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.
 
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It is God himself who calls us out of the cave. He calls us into the reality of E/c2 by taking us out of the cave and shewing us the great world of spiritual light and energy. Having done these things he then calls us to ministry, sometimes even in government positions.

“The business of we who are founders of the State is to compel the best minds to attain knowledge and continue to ascend until they arrive at the good; after they have ascended and seen enough we must not allow them to remain in the upper world. They must be made to descend again among the prisoners in the den, partaking of their labors, and judging their works, whether they are worth having or not. Is this not unjust? Ought we to give them a worse life when they might have a better?

“Have you forgotten, my friend, the intention of the legislator? Who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and therefore of one another; to this end he created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State. Wherefore each of you, when his turn comes, must go down to the underground abode, and get the habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the habit you will see ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the den, and you know what the several images are, and what they represent, because you have seen the beautiful and just and good in their truth. - Plato's Republic
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The Likeness of E / c2 is the sun, which is the closest representation we have of God the Father…

"[The sun] is he whom I call the child of the good, whom the good begat in his own likeness, to be in the visible world, in relation to sight and the things of sight, what the good is in the intellectual world in relation to mind and the things of mind:" - Plato's Republic

According to Plato's epistemology God created the sun in his own likeness. So the sun is the best image we have of God the Father and the power of creation here on Earth. There are also three sources of E / c2 that resemble the sun [and thus God the Father] here on Earth...

E / c2 Source… Providing…………… In Order…. What?
The Sun……….. True Form ……….. To Sense……Mass
Spiritual…………Motivation…………To Enjoy…… Life
The Good…….. Intelligence………. To Know…….Wisdom

The Three Children of "The Good" (God the Father)

1. Matter - Material form. The sun is E / c2 in the form of plasma and is the visible form of "The Good."
2. Spirituality - Spiritual form. Spiritual warmth, love, faith, joy, and hope set in a heart to do creative things.
3. Intelligence - Intellectual form. What directed the plasma to cool into the respective elements.

The Good also created an abundance of metals which may be processed into useful material goods for the reality of a good life. All of which were created by intelligent design, otherwise there is no Mg for photosynthesis and no Ca for bone and teeth formation. "Then God, if he be good is not the author of all things, as the many assert, but he is the cause of a few things only, and not of the most things that occur to men. For few are the goods of human life and many the evils, and the good is to be attributed to God alone; of the evils the causes are to be sought elsewhere, and not in him." - Plato's Republic
 
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I don't know if this was ever stated in the thread yet, but what is your evidence/argument for the existence of any of this stuff?

I'll start simple: what evidence do you have for the existence of soul? What evidence do you have for the spiritual realm?
 
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I don't know if this was ever stated in the thread yet, but what is your evidence/argument for the existence of any of this stuff?

I'll start simple: what evidence do you have for the existence of soul? What evidence do you have for the spiritual realm?

Wait and see...
 
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Wait and see...

No, sorry, philosophy doesn't work that way. Unless your planning to have some sort of argument where the conclusion follows from the premises and the premises are shown to be true, then you aren't doing philosophy.

So, unless you're busy and can't go into full detail, I'll assume you have nothing and simply want to assert your viewpoint and call it "philosophy" to give it the illusion of legitimacy.
 
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