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I am here for the E/c2

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If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Our brains output is a result of E/c2
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
---c2 - Kind a like red, blue, green, and yellow, only in spiritual terms.

When I came to know Christ I felt the E/c2 on spiritual terms. I have also did a devotion on a Robert Sheffey, who came to Christ on the same terms...

"During church one day at the end of the month a second and very heavy snow fell. He could not wait to trudge his way to the peak, for his soul felt full and the morning sermon had opened his eyes to something. The minister had preached long and eloquently. His theme was that most of mankind did not respond to the call of God because they did not feel His lovingkindness." -http://www.christianforums.com/t7630646-4/#post60082031


I have did a video on what this feels like on spiritual terms. This video is strongly based on Plato's Republic, which reaches out and attempts to discover our creators intentions for the Republic and planet earth... I have also a web site at you did up with the same thoughts in mind...

https://www.youtube.com/user/rockytopva

The Power of Motivation and E/c2 with Zig Ziglar - YouTube
 
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I was born in Camp Lejeune NC's Marine Corp base in North Carolina. Having been hauled everywhere around the country we ended up in Michigan where I would go to high school. My gosh what a cold place. I would be looking out on the arctic looking tundra in the wintertime wondering how on earth there could be a God. The only light and warmth I could sense was coming from the cigarette I was smoking.

I moved in with my Grandmother when I was 17 and a whole different lifestyle was shewn to me. The people would work hard Mo-Fr, go to town on Sa and to church every Su. The church was a Pentecostal Holiness church. When the people would worship they were very extroverted and would make the building ring with vocalized praise and with much joy.

I would wash dishes at the local Sheraton Red Lion Inn and put up hay during the afternoon. One of the members of the church went there by the name of Dallas Jr Linkous. That man would shout in church, shout out in the hay field, and shout at home. I have never seen such joy and love out of a man in all my days.

We had a revival late that summer and I went up to the alter in prayer. Dallas came behind me and prayed for me, shouting and with tears dripping down his cheek onto my neck. That had a profound effect. That evening I was in my grandmothers linens and I heard a voice speaking to me telling me to put the book down. After doing so the voice spoke again asking me where all that strife, ego, and hatred was. On examining my spiritual man there was nothing but pure beauty.

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: - Acts 17:27

Therefore my conversion to Christianity came because I felt God's loving kindness on a spiritual basis. Pictured below is Dallas Jr Linkous, the happiest man I have ever met.

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If E = mc2 then one can divide and say that m = E/c2. Therefore all of creation came into existence with the Fathers great Energy and Light... In which there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2... The sun is E/c2 in the form of plasma... The Earth is cooled E/c2.
Mental E/c2... Our ability to think comes from E/c2
Spiritual E/c2... Energy (Motivation, Love) / c2 (Faith, Hope, Charity, Joy)

so... Lets take the opposite of all that...

The opposite of m = E/c2 is n = z/d

Nothing (n) - That which outer space is made of between the celestial objects.
Absolute Zero (z) - The coldest it can get!
Darkness (d) - That which is devoid of light.

Natural z/d - Nothing! Space! Null and Void!
Mental z/d - Nothing!
Spiritual... z (Laziness, Apathy, Hate) / d (Fear, Despair, Greed, Sorrow).

It is my conviction that there are three spiritual extremes…

Spiritual light – Love, warmth, faith, hope, charity joy, goodness, peace…
Spiritual darkness – Hate, cold, fear, depression, sorrow, greed, evil, war…
The Flesh – Ego, perverted sex, filth, witchcraft, anger, strife, divisions, mysticism… Where does that fit? It is neither light or darkness!

I have heard that the flesh and the devil are so akin that it is hard to discern between the two of them. There is a path I believe to perfect spiritual light, or Caritas (Latin for pure love)... Things that cannot be taught for virtue is not knowledge!

1. Hope - All things begin with a hope
2. Faith - Motivation is a child of faith and hope
3. Charis - Grace - A powerful neighbor of caritas
4. Dynamos - Greek for virtue and motivation
5. Eucharisteo - Much grace... Gratitude
6. Charisomai - Well favored - A lucky kind of feeling
7. Euchrestos - Greek for profitable
8. Chairo - Greek for cheer - "Cheerio mate!"
9. Chara - Greek for joy
10. Chrestotes - An 'Aunt Bee' kind of Goodness
11. Charisma - Heavenly Graciousness
12. Chrisma - Heavenly Anointing - The Holy Grail!

I say! I felt that spiritual anointing early on as a Christian. I wish I could have kept it alive. The spiritual anointing is something we have to daily attend to. I use to follow RW Schambach and there were times that the spiritual anointing would flow out of his services… And then there were times when I just did not know. Not criticizing the man, just pointing out that the Spiritual Anointing is something that is a daily thing. The Holy Spirit’s precious Chrisma is available to the good heart, but it can be a million miles from you if you veer off course. If I could go back in life I would have done more to keep the Chrisma flowing through my spirit.
 
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So... How do I prove these things philosophically? For that we must turn the clock back to 2800 BC to the first great emperor of China, Fu-Hsi, who saw trigrams fall down from heaven. The straight lines representing light and the broken ones darkness. (@ 17:30 in the OP video).

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So the light and energy (E/c2) pull upward while the lack thereof (z/d) pull downwards. These trends are also trends seen in the old testament book of Judges...

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And I have edited them a tad to my liking...
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No offence, but how am I meant to tell the difference between what you've said, and fiction? And where is the rational argumentation (philosophy) for your positions?

For example, ' spiritual E= motivation, love' seems like something you've made up because it sounds nice.

:)
 
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No offence, but how am I meant to tell the difference between what you've said, and fiction? And where is the rational argumentation (philosophy) for your positions?

For example, ' spiritual E= motivation, love' seems like something you've made up because it sounds nice.

:)

If you ever have a baby you will hold spiritual E/c2 in your arms. Then you will know.
 
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So to continue the study we move a little a head of 2800 BC from the first great emperor of China, Fu-Hsi, to 600 BC to Lao-Tzu, first great philosopher in China. Lao-Tzu did much to define spiritual E/c2... Here are some excerpts from Lao-Tzu According To Wen-Tzu...

1. There was something created before heaven and earth which we call the way (Tao). The way is infinitely high, unfathomably deep. Enclosing heaven and earth, receiving from the formless, it produces a stream running deep and wide without overflowing. It absorbs the negative and emits the positive. In antiquity, the three majestic ones (The Trinity) attained the order of the way and stood in the center.
2. Great people are peaceful and have no longings; they are calm and have no worries. 4. Happiness has nothing to do with wealth and status, but is a matter of harmony. 5. When Confucius asked him about the way Lao-Tzu said: Strengthen your body, unify your vision, and the harmony of heaven will arrive. Concentrate your knowledge, rectify your assessment, and the spirit will come to abide. Virtue will be receptive to you, the way will be there for you. Keep yourself open, unminding that you may attain clarity and all around mastery.
6. Those who serve life adapt to changes as they act. Changes arise from the times, those who know the times do not behave in fixed ways.
7. When people lose their nature by following desires, their actions are never correct. Anxiety and lament burn the heart, so sickness builds up. Get rid of these, then they merge with spiritual light. Spiritual light is attainment of the inward. When people attain the inward, their organs are calm, their thoughts are even, their eyes and ears are clear, and their bones are strong. They are masterful but not contentious, strong yet never exhausted. They are not excessive or inadequate in anything.
9. Changes in the times do not allow rest in the intervals. Time does not dally with people. That is why the sages do not value a huge gem as much as they value a little time. Time is hard to find and easily lost.
10. Those who embody the way are free and never come to a dead end. Those who let their eyes and ears look at and listen to whatever they may tire their minds thereby and so lack clarity.
11. As heaven reaches its heights and earth reaches its depths, as sun and moon shine, as the stars twinkle, as yin and yang harmonize, there is no variations in any of this. Make thy way right, and things will spontaneously be natural.
18. People caught up in social customs are bound physically and drained mentally therefore they cannot avoid being burdened.
37. Quiet abstraction and lightness of heart are ways of nurturing life. Harmonious happiness is a way of securing virtue. When externals do not disturb you within, then your nature finds what suits it. Nurturing life and embracing virtue can be called the ability to understand the way. When that is the case, there is no blockage of the blood vessels, no accumulating energies in the organs.
39.Self-depreciation leads to failure in achievement and reputation. 39. The way to heaven is to lower the elevated and raise the depressed. 40. The way of heaven is to revert after reaching a climax, and to diminish upon reaching fullness. Therefore the sages diminish themselves daily and empty their moods, not daring to be self-satisfied. 41. When the spirit is in the lead, the body follows with beneficial results; when the body is in the lead, the spirit follows with harmful results.
42. When your rank is high your vitality and spirit are depleted daily, eventually to become dissipated and not return to the body. When the vitality, spirit, will, and energy are calm they fill you day by day and make you strong. Therefore the sages keep nurturing their spirit, make their energy gentle, and flow with the way.
55. If you mention peoples flaws they resent it; if they see their own ugliness in a mirror they think it's all right. 60. Sages have no strange clothes or weird behavioral patterns. 62. Those who do not worry about the chaos of the world but enjoy order in their own bodies can be engaged in conversation about the way.
65. Doing good is not for reputation but reputation follows.
67. Human feelings are such that people submit to virtue rather than force. 75. For wise people good humor and serenity are life, perfect virtue and travelling the way are destiny. 81. Those who let go of the way and trust in intelligence are in peril. 86. When the way and virtue are present there is diligence, a constant alert for danger and destruction. When the way and virtue are absent, there is indulgence and sloth, so destruction can come at any time.
87. When much is sought, little is gained. When prohibitions are many, little gets done. 91. Heaven gives to those who accumulate the virtue of the way. 95. When positivity erases negativity, all beings are robust. When negativity erases positivity, all beings decline.
97. When ideal people reach the way, the richness of virtue flows in them. Those who have hidden virtues will surely have manifest rewards; those who do good deeds in secret will surely have illustrious reputations. 102. Cruel strictness harms virtue.
109. People of old were sensitive but not possessive; people today are possessive but not sensitive. 121. When you are deeply in the way, your virtue is deep; and when your virtue is deep, then success and honor are achieved. 122. The heavenly energy makes the higher soul, the earthly makes the lower 136. A clear and calm social order is characterized by tranquility, simplicity, serenity and freedom. In an orderly society, jobs are easy to keep, work is easy to do, manners are easy to observe, and debts are easy to repay. The more knowledge and ability there are, the more virtue declines; so perfect people are pure and simple, without useless complexity.
 
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Pseudoscientific religious nonsense.

You are correct... It is non-sense... But virtue is not knowledge therefore it cannot be taught. But that we will soon cover with Socrates, which story Plato writes about in his Meno work.

Is spiritual light and energy knowledge? Can it be taught? Plato's Meno is a dialogue in which Socrates and Meno, discuss human virtue: whether or not it can be taught, whether it is shared by all human beings, and whether it is one quality or many. After discussion with Anytus, Socrates and Meno return to the subject of whether Virtue can be taught. "To sum up our enquiry," Socrates concludes, "the result seems to be that virtue is neither natural nor acquired, but an instinct given by God to the virtuous."

Meno's theme is also being dealt in the dialogue of Protagoras, where, Plato finally puts Socrates to conclude with the opposite conclusion 'That virtue can be taught.' It is important to conclude that light and energy are in different departments than knowledge. One may have an understanding as vast as the great outdoors… And not a thing in the heart!

So this is non-sense... As virtue is not knowledge.
 
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If you ever have a baby you will hold spiritual E/c2 in your arms. Then you will know.

That isn't helpful. :thumbsup:

Babies are biological beings, like all others.

(You can't just know anything. If all you have is a feeling, you don't know anything).
 
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That isn't helpful. :thumbsup:

Babies are biological beings, like all others.

(You can't just know anything. If all you have is a feeling, you don't know anything).

I sense that spiritual E/c2 will come your way. Maybe it will be in the form of some tall and handsome guy who will introduce himself by saying... "Hi! My name is Max!" And your heart will melt... And then you will begin to understand.

Then there is a possibility of Christ himself or the person of the Holy Spirit making a similar introduction.

But without spiritual E/c2 introducing itself I am without help. John Wesley picked this up after returning from a failed American mission trip.

"In the evening I went very unwillingly to a society in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther’s preface to the Epistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while he was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heart strangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death." - The Journal of John Wesley
 
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I sense that spiritual E/c2 will come your way. Maybe it will be in the form of some tall and handsome guy who will introduce himself by saying... "Hi! My name is Max!" And your heart will melt... And then you will begin to understand.

I also hope a tall and handsome guy comes my way, but the reaction comes from specific chemicals that are released from the brain.

I agree that feelings of infatuation and love exist... I just see no reason to think they have anything to do with spirituality, or E/c2.

Then there is a possibility of Christ himself or the person of the Holy Spirit making a similar introduction.

Well if they want to show themselves, that would be nice. :D

But without spiritual E/c2 introducing itself I am without help. John Wesley picked this up after returning from a failed American mission trip.

"In the evening I went very unwillingly to a society in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther’s preface to the Epistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while he was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heart strangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death." - The Journal of John Wesley

A feeling is just a feeling, and can come about by normal psychology. :)
 
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I also hope a tall and handsome guy comes my way, but the reaction comes from specific chemicals that are released from the brain.

The feeling you will experience will not come from the mind but from the heart. You will know this as you start doing things that are not rational. Your heart motives, motivated by E (Energy, motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy), will drive you to do things irrational to the mind. For example, you will want to take a day off for enjoyment when the mind reasons that you really should be back at work.
 
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You are correct... It is non-sense... But virtue is not knowledge therefore it cannot be taught. But that we will soon cover with Socrates, which story Plato writes about in his Meno work.

Is spiritual light and energy knowledge? Can it be taught? Plato's Meno is a dialogue in which Socrates and Meno, discuss human virtue: whether or not it can be taught, whether it is shared by all human beings, and whether it is one quality or many. After discussion with Anytus, Socrates and Meno return to the subject of whether Virtue can be taught. "To sum up our enquiry," Socrates concludes, "the result seems to be that virtue is neither natural nor acquired, but an instinct given by God to the virtuous."

Meno's theme is also being dealt in the dialogue of Protagoras, where, Plato finally puts Socrates to conclude with the opposite conclusion 'That virtue can be taught.' It is important to conclude that light and energy are in different departments than knowledge. One may have an understanding as vast as the great outdoors… And not a thing in the heart!

So this is non-sense... As virtue is not knowledge.

Nonsense is not a virtue either.
 
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Lao-Tzu according to the Tao Te Ching (excerpts)

12. Have little and you will gain. Have much and you will be confused. The sage embraces the one, and lives at peace by its pattern. Has no his ego, hence he shines. Does not justify himself, hence he becomes known. Avoids pride, hence he endures. Does not compete, hence no one can compete with him.
22. Follow the Tao (the way) and live in harmony. Cultivate character (Te) and develop your highest potential. Te and Tao are the way of life. Abandon either, and the Tao abandons you.
24. Competing with others we loose our way. One who parades his success will not endure. In the Tao these things are called unwanted food and extraneous growths, which are loathed of all things.
41.When a wise scholar hears the Tao, he practices it diligently. When a mediocre scholar hears the Tao, he wavers from belief to unbelief. When a worthless scholar hears the Tao, he laughs at loud. But if such a one didn't laugh, the Tao would not be Tao. The way to greater light leads through darkness. The even path seems rugged.
42. All life embodies yin (z/d) and embraces yang (E/c2).
53. If only I had the tiniest grain of wisdom I should walk in the great way, and my only fear would be to stray from it.
54. Cultivated in your soul the Tao brings peace to your life. Cultivated in your home it brings peace with those you love. Spreading to neighbors it brings peace to your community. Spreading through communities it brings peace to your nations. Spreading through nations it brings peace to the world.
59. In governing a people and in serving heaven, there is nothing like conservation. To be conservative is to return from straying. To return from straying is to have a double reserve of virtue. To have a double supply of virtue is to overcome everything. To overcome everything is to reach an invisible height. This is the way to be deep rooted and firm planted in the Tao, the secret to long life and lasting vision.
60. When a man of Tao rules, demons have no spiritual power.
64. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
65. In the old days, those who were well versed in Tao did not try to enlighten the people, but rather to keep them in the state of simplicity 70. Rejecting appearances the Tao person wears simple clothes, lives true to center, wears jade close to the heart.
81. The sage does not take to hoarding. The more he gives, the fuller his life. The more he gives, the more he abounds.
 
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The feeling you will experience will not come from the mind but from the heart.

The heart pumps blood, it has nothing to do with feelings or thoughts. All feelings are in the brain.

You will know this as you start doing things that are not rational.

The brain can be irrational.

Your heart motives, motivated by E (Energy, motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy),

I still see no reason to associate feelings with e=mc^2

will drive you to do things irrational to the mind. For example, you will want to take a day off for enjoyment when the mind reasons that you really should be back at work.

I'm pretty sure I've irrationally wanted (and taken) days off when I should be doing work. That's still just the brain though. :)
 
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i know this by far isn't the only problem with your statements,...but did you just quantify nothingness?

E=mc2

The opposite of matter is nothing
The opposite of light is darkness
The opposite of energy is absolute zero
 
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