I am Curious

[IAMANOBODY2015]

1. learn something about christianity
2. correct misconceptions about myself and others like myself when false/hateful statements are made
3. open a window to let some fresh air into the room

I've been onto islamic discussion pages, and you should as well. If you honestly have never considered how absolutely embarrassing it is to claim yourself to be "non"-something, and yet have no idea as to how or why due to a lack of knowledge about that thing, I strongly urge you to pay closer attention. As an a-theist, I would find myself to be an embarrassment if I had little to no understanding of the religions I claimed to be "A" towards. Christianity/abrahamic religion is so incredibly popular that trying to get away with never running into someone who wants to talk about it is impossible, and I don't like feeling as though I have nothing to say when those conversations come up. Being a part of forums like this also helps me learn more information in the areas of science/etc. because I spend time reading up on things that i may have not given much attention to before, so that I can support the things I say in a thread (or check what other people say)---I actually know more about evolution having been on here because some of these threads have motivated me to read essays and watch lectures.



i am a hard-core atheist.

edit: I first wrote "hard-corn"

I guess I am a little close-minded. I believe simply because of how I was raised.

 

[IAMANOBODY2015]

Same reason I listen to Christian radio and talk to street preachers - because I have to share a planet with you. It's important to keep up on what religious people believe, because beliefs inform actions (and vice-versa), an actions have real world consequences.

Also because I enjoy it.

OK. I get it.

 

[IAMANOBODY2015]

To be an 'atheist' as opposed to being 'agnostic' is simply anti-theism. And anti-theism is by definition illogical because there is no reasonable scientific theory which says reality did not come from a sentient maker- our origin, scientifically, is an unanswered question.

The thing I don't get is why it doesn't bother some people to not have a settled belief of origins. I can't imagine not having a belief in God, I would lose my mind to be honest.

And that is why I believe everyone who is atheist is actually agnostic. How could you not be_

Interesting

 

[IAMANOBODY2015]

I came here because of a post in the Politics and Religion section of a cycling board I frequent that was about stupid things Christians say on the internet. Each cite was identified by board.

Being an evil atheist and not a trusting Christian I checked, not just that the individual posts existed but also just how representative they were and for what kind of reception they received.

Some sites fared rather poorly, but here there were many reasonable posters and insightful posts. It wasn't until later I realized there were atheists, agnostics and believers of other faiths here and a pretty large percentage of the rational posts were from non-Christians.

But by then there were several posters whose opinions I had come to respect. Some Christian some not. And a few of the Christian posters are both rational and kind. I find it good to be reminded that such Christians exist and threads like this one make me pause to think and I then think that being a jerk and being loud go hand in hand and that this means the jerks are overrepresented in what I see here and in life. Perhaps grossly overrepresented. I find I prefer remembering that and thinking there are many good, but quiet, Christians in this world.

I guess I should learn to respect other people of different believes or who does not believe as well. That is something I respect. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Interesting

It's very interesting. It's almost like it's true..

 

[Hikarifuru]

An atheist is someone who holds to no deity. An agnostic is the same, and both have the same reason for such- they have no knowledge of a deity.

An agnostic theist I suppose would have to be a deist, maybe? But then again, they would have already made a direct proclamation that there is a creator.

An atheist is any human that lacks belief in a god. This would include infants. Atheism is not how you like or dislike god or religion, those are things atheists can do, not what atheism is. The way an atheist acts or feels is similair to an atheists favorite food. It represents a different part of their personality.

I once was an agnostic atheist (Someone who does not believe in god but that doesn't know)
Now I am an atheist that is confident that I prove god isn't real.

 

[Nessanessa]

I am not trying to start an argument.

But I notice there are a lot of atheist and agnostics here. I am just surprise. I can't imagine going on Islamic Forum. So why are there a lot of atheists and agnostics on a Christian Forum?

Thats right up there with..

I dont mean to be rude...
But im just about to be!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

An atheist is someone who holds to no deity. An agnostic is the same, and both have the same reason for such- they have no knowledge of a deity.

An agnostic theist I suppose would have to be a deist, maybe? But then again, they would have already made a direct proclamation that there is a creator.

@Stanfordella is an agnostic Christian.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Any atheist who is honest with themselves is an agnostic.

Yes, it's called "agnostic atheism".

I'm unaware of any "gnostic atheists" anywhere

 

[DogmaHunter]

The thing I don't get is why it doesn't bother some people to not have a settled belief of origins.

The thing I don't get is the exact opposite.
Why people feel the need that they MUST believe something when in reality, they don't know.

I don't get why some people are so allergic to acknowledging ignorance when they are ignorant.

I have no problems at all answering "i don't know" when asked a question that I don't know the answer to.

I can't imagine not having a belief in God, I would lose my mind to be honest.

I can't imagine believing supernatural shenannigans on faith alone..

And that is why I believe everyone who is atheist is actually agnostic. How could you not be_

Again, agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. They are different answers to different questions.

Agnosticism pertains to knowledge while atheism pertains to beliefs.

 

[David Colin Gould]

Some Christians seem to really like this notion of atheists being 'really agnostics', as if that somehow makes them closer to theists. Agnosticism is not the halfway point between theism and atheism. If you want to call me an agnostic, fine - suits me. But do not imagine that you have partway converted me.

 

[Davian]

To be an 'atheist' as opposed to being 'agnostic' is simply anti-theism.

When I use the word, I mean it to say "I am not convinced of your religious claims".

And anti-theism is by definition illogical because there is no reasonable scientific theory which says reality did not come from a sentient maker- our origin, scientifically, is an unanswered question.

The only "sentience" that I am aware of (no pun intended) is an emergent property of a brain. In that context, your objection (sentient "maker" without a brain?) is incoherent.

The thing I don't get is why it doesn't bother some people to not have a settled belief of origins.

It is not something that I care about; it does not inform my worldview.

I can't imagine not having a belief in God, I would lose my mind to be honest.

Many people, including myself, get along fine without such beliefs.

And that is why I believe everyone who is atheist is actually agnostic. How could you not be_

I would describe my theological position as ignostic.

"Ignosticism is the view that the question of whether or not God exists is inherently meaningless until ultimately defined. And if defined, is it falsifiable? It takes the firm stand in saying that; I refuse to take a position until ‘god’ is properly and positively defined. The reason for this ignosticism position, is because in some religious debates the topic and definition god is intentionally left vague because if you define the essence of this divine religious deity then it is possible to prove falsifiability or nonexistence. And when not empirically defined, this is were ignosticism falls back into it original state; that since God cannot be defined then we cannot even discuss the issue when the descriptive definition of a celestial being by the believer is not given."

https://bittersweetend.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/the-ignosticism-position/

 

[Ana the Ist]

To be an 'atheist' as opposed to being 'agnostic' is simply anti-theism. And anti-theism is by definition illogical because there is no reasonable scientific theory which says reality did not come from a sentient maker- our origin, scientifically, is an unanswered question.

The thing I don't get is why it doesn't bother some people to not have a settled belief of origins. I can't imagine not having a belief in God, I would lose my mind to be honest.

And that is why I believe everyone who is atheist is actually agnostic. How could you not be_

As an atheist and anti-theist...I don't think you understand what anti-theism is.

Or atheism for that matter.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The main thing to understand is that no one automatically adheres to a personal definition of Evil without their own exceptance and no one can condemn another without their approval.

we are all in our own ways outcast orphans of the outside world and we gather here to be something to someone.

 

[HitchSlap]

I am not trying to start an argument.

But I notice there are a lot of atheist and agnostics here. I am just surprise. I can't imagine going on Islamic Forum. So why are there a lot of atheists and agnostics on a Christian Forum?

I started out life as a Christian. Finally had the courage to admit god/s don't exist. I find CF is a good place to vet my arguments.

 

[HitchSlap]

They are looking for God.

Atheists just know when to realize the game is over.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

They are looking for God.

Why would you say that. God to you is much more than he would be to others. From what I've seen most people show up on these debate sites looking for a connection. I don't mean a relationship. I mean a place to be apart of and believe you,me, there's a lot of websites out there to register in, but it's the feeling within that keeps people coming back.

 

[Davian]

They are looking for God.

Have you found Jesus?

• Davian
• Sep 29, 2015
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[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Atheists just know when to realize the game is over.

Religion fills a hole that those who look for it. Atheiest also have a hole to fill but their pallet thirsts for something different. There is no right or wrong way to live your life as long as you are comfortable with the dirrection you are travelling.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Have you found Jesus?

• Davian
• Sep 29, 2015
• 1

I love the Jesus one.