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and I have had trouble finding a denomination but I have a few churches in mind that I haven't tried. Nazarene, some Assembly of God and even Calvary Chapel.

I am sorry if I confused anyone in my last thread. I guess I should have made it clear from the beginning that I am arminian but have had problems finding a church that has my values in other areas of their doctrine. I appreciate the believers in all the churches and I do consider them all christians, but I really have strong feelings on doctrine and I am looking for those churches that match my belief.

I would like to hear positive experiences only about those who attend arminian based churches. How long you have been going? What had been some of the most touching sermons, or learning experiences, or people that you met in them, how you first started going - did you go with someone?
 

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I didn't see the other thread....

Are you a spirit-filled believer as well as armenian?

My friend grew up Nazarene, I know he wouldn't recommend it.

Calvary Chapel I think would be too Calvinistic for you.

Assemblies of God is basically Armenian (most are totally, but their main wed site state that though they as a group lean mostly towards Armenianism that the also see Biblical truths in Calvinism... not that you'll actually find many who agree with that part). They are a charismatic church... though my most charismatic standards, the majority of them are pretty tame (not like the Pentacostal & Apostolic churches). I would think A of G would be ok for you. That's what we go to... though we are Calvinist... we haven't met any other Calvinist there. It's ok for us... we'd like to have a Sovereign Grace here (which are both Calvinist and Charismatic, but there aren't any). We'd go to a reformed church, but here there are only a couple really small ones where everyone is a local and their worship tends to be a little dry at least at the ones here. A of G will be good for you if you are also conservative/evangelical in your values.
 
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I attend a Calvary Chapel and it definately is not Armenian. I would not say it is Calvinistic either but presents a more balanced view of the two. They teach that Salvation is eternally secure and that it is solely the work of God in the life of a believer through Gods foreknowledge of who would accept and believe. Good luck and the most important thing is that you trust Jesus as the sole way to Heaven. God bless my brother/sister.
 
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I didn't see the other thread....

Are you a spirit-filled believer as well as armenian?

My friend grew up Nazarene, I know he wouldn't recommend it.

Calvary Chapel I think would be too Calvinistic for you.

Assemblies of God is basically Armenian (most are totally, but their main wed site state that though they as a group lean mostly towards Armenianism that the also see Biblical truths in Calvinism... not that you'll actually find many who agree with that part). They are a charismatic church... though my most charismatic standards, the majority of them are pretty tame (not like the Pentacostal & Apostolic churches). I would think A of G would be ok for you. That's what we go to... though we are Calvinist... we haven't met any other Calvinist there. It's ok for us... we'd like to have a Sovereign Grace here (which are both Calvinist and Charismatic, but there aren't any). We'd go to a reformed church, but here there are only a couple really small ones where everyone is a local and their worship tends to be a little dry at least at the ones here. A of G will be good for you if you are also conservative/evangelical in your values.


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I do believe in the sign gifts, and believe tongues is optional and I do pray sometimes in tonuges often when I am trying to concentrate and I have fear I am trying to overcome so yes I am spirit filled. Calvary Chapel doesn't take a stance really on c or a, so I don't think there would be too many arminians there since most arminians want to let that be known and want people to help them. Nazarene I heard can be kind of strict but as another poster said recently "its not the strict teachings, but the false teachings" that are worrisome. If the Nazarene church was harsh in atmosphere I would not go. Joy and love or basic respect as least ought to be present. I haven't really enjoyed the display of gifts in the Assembly of God always, I do think some of them go really out there but I am not really highly offended when the church is arminian in stance and at least they believe in gifts. I wouldn't want to go to a church that didn't believe in gifts. If people do things that I find to be well strange or unbiblical, its not me doing them, and I don't think that this is a salvation issue either for them so I don't mind much when I realize that this is not a salvation issue and I know that strange things do sometimes happen. I've had my share of them however not in church. I do like much about the basic doctrine of the Assembly of God church.

the word armenian as you spelled it definitely refers to another word, I think associated with Catholism but I forget exactly what

I like the Catholic churches stance on faith plus works and I like their posttrib rapture stance and that they believe in gifts but don't show them off in the service, but there are other things that offend me about them that too much. I think there are many wonderful CAtholic Chrisitians.

The apostolic groups are not for me but I do wish that I could fit in sometimes. I do not want to give up a little makeup or cutting my hair. they are good people I feel.

I really like dry sermons that are truth based, that never bothered me about the noncharismatic calvinst churches before I started studying doctrine. I wish that more arminian churches would have that kind of atmosphere of calmness and peace even if it seems dry to some. However, I have a strong pentocostal belief so I go where I fit in mentally first, not emotionally first. I wish more penotocostal churches were calmer. I know some Assembly God are. Because I used to be a nervous person alot more, I look for a calmer setting. A calm penotocostal arminian church would be nice but those words pentocostal and arminian have emotional tones to it in practice and its not likely to find. I would only feel comfortable with something that matches my beliefs moreso than my emotions. I feel its my job to adjust myself emotionally to the environment except in cases where its clear that its not my job to adjust.

I know what you mean about wanting to go to a larger church. I am single and I appreciate a larger church for that reason because many people my age 33 are married with kids and I would want to get involved with a few groups that I can get to know people and bond and yet I do not want to be involved with the singles minstry because it seems to remind me of the "incestuous" youth group atmosphere in my Baptist church when I was a young teen. I don't know how people can date numerous poeple in a small church group and continue to see the people. I didn't understand it then and I don't now. It made me shiver to see my friends jump from person to person laughing and joking about it. That would make me very uncomfortable to say the least.

Sorry for rambling. And thank you for answering. You get the rest of my blessings lol. I really appreciate it. I think a Nazarene would be ideal but you have given me another similar opinion of what I have heard too in which I have to watch and keep several things in mind.


 
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I attend a Calvary Chapel and it definately is not Armenian. I would not say it is Calvinistic either but presents a more balanced view of the two. They teach that Salvation is eternally secure and that it is solely the work of God in the life of a believer through Gods foreknowledge of who would accept and believe. Good luck and the most important thing is that you trust Jesus as the sole way to Heaven. God bless my brother/sister.
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I have read on their website that they are a cross between fundamentalism and pentocostalism and don't lean c or a but I really assumed that more calvinsts would be there and you are one of the ones that reinforce that belief. That soteriology issue is an issue with me. I believe in some points of calvinism too but I am arminian. I think eternal security is possible but not known always and I am a conditional security proponent. I listen to the Calvary Chapel sermons online sometimes and I really appreciate the teachings and I have gotten alot from that church. Thanks for responding.
 
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Though they are loath to admitt it, Calvary Chapel leans towards Calvinism. The hold Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, and Preservation of the Saints.

As for gifts, Calvary Chapel believes they exist, but isn't very much like the Pentecostles. There aren't people talking in tongues during the service, without an inturpretor, or in private prayer. They also don't believe that everyone will be blessed with the gift of tongues and/or prophesy.

 
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Evangelical Free churches are Arminian, but not charismatic. Freewill Baptists, and Methodists are as well. There is a thead about what denomination are you with a link to a site to help you determine where you fit best. I actually scored high on the Freewill Baptist, because I am Arminian but not Charismatic.
 
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Bayhawks83 said:
I am sort of inbetween arminian and calvinistic, im not sure which one is right but i go to a calvinistic church.
I tend to fall in somewhere between Calvinism, Thomism and Augustinianism... My church is broadly calvinistic but not confessional.

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What thread is that? You've got me interested.
 
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Sunbeam said:
the word armenian as you spelled it definitely refers to another word, I think associated with Catholism but I forget exactly what
I am referring to the view on Salvation being by choice, free-will... that there's is no elect.

I have no idea which way is the correct spelling lol
 
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They sound Amaryldian which fits the CC I attended (Costa Mesa) for a while. TU_IP. They are pretty close to us Calvinist other than the praise band and coffee cart.....
 
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Though they are loath to admitt it, Calvary Chapel leans towards Calvinism. The hold Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, and Preservation of the Saints.

As for gifts, Calvary Chapel believes they exist, but isn't very much like the Pentecostles. There aren't people talking in tongues during the service, without an inturpretor, or in private prayer. They also don't believe that everyone will be blessed with the gift of tongues and/or prophesy.


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I like CC's view on gifts, but I see now here thanks to you that they really are very Calvinstic. Irresistable Grace is the taker point. I thought that they were probably having calvinsitc people there because of lack of saying arminian but actually its in the doctrine. So God Bless em but I won't be going there.
 
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They sound Amaryldian which fits the CC I attended (Costa Mesa) for a while. TU_IP. They are pretty close to us Calvinist other than the praise band and coffee cart.....

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I just learned that Amaryldian a stance and is Tulip without the L. Well that's interesting. Thanks.
 
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the word armenian as you spelled it definitely refers to another word, I think associated with Catholism but I forget exactly what


I am referring to the view on Salvation being by choice, free-will... that there's is no elect.

I have no idea which way is the correct spelling lol
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Arminian is what you are talking about, when there is an e in the word armenian that is another religious term but has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Not trying to sound like a know it all, but I have seen discussions where people are talking about what we are and strawman arguments are built on someone's mispelling of that word or lurkers who want to join in the discussion are confused when they look up the wrong word. I've seen discussions go by with a lot of spelling errors occasionally from both sides of intelligent but time-crunched and quick typing people in which no one corrects the spelling in words that really change the entire meaning of the discussion and people get confused. Some people have chymed in mixing the two words together saying arminianism comes from catholicism when it really hasn't. Armenian is a catholic timeperiod I think but arminian is a derivative of a man's name from out of the Protestant church. I am just saying to clear up any confusion. Didn't mean to go on with a long explanation. Sometimes I do that on accident.
 
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I am sort of inbetween arminian and calvinistic, im not sure which one is right but i go to a calvinistic church
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I never heard of the difference between calvinsim and arminianism until around two years ago. It was worth learning. I am not Pelagian (works apart from God) or Amyrglian as Tulip without the L. Ha haha I just wrote out a post on the correct spelling of arminian when I cannot spell the other doctrinal stances.
 
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Evangelical Free churches are Arminian, but not charismatic. Freewill Baptists, and Methodists are as well. There is a thead about what denomination are you with a link to a site to help you determine where you fit best. I actually scored high on the Freewill Baptist, because I am Arminian but not Charismatic.

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I didn't know Evangelical Free is arminian without charismatic. thanks. I know that Methodists started with a arminian label but they really are very liberal today it seems and seem to teach calvinsim. The Salvation Army started as very arminian as well and yet I have heard sermons online by different preachers that are definitely hardcore calvinism and they had also gotten into the hyper-sign-gifts movement as well which I avoid if possible. Salvation Army used to be more "sober" than it is today. I knew that Freewill Baptists were arminian though there aren't many around here. I don't know their stances on other things however. I assume its about the same as the mainline Baptists stances.

I may even go to a church that has no gifts if its arminian because it might be better than the popular hypersigngifts I see. I just want to know I am being taught what I need to be reminded of what I believe. That's my priority.
 
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