I accept that evolution has occurred...

[FoeHammer]

Since the fall. (circa 4,000 BC)

FoeHammer.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

And by "evolution", you mean...what, exactly? Dinosaurs to birds? Ambulocetus to whale? Bug to Nylon bug?

 

[Freodin]

Hey, aren´t you from the UK?

Should it not read "since the autumn" then?

 

[FoeHammer]

And by "evolution", you mean...what, exactly? Dinosaurs to birds? Ambulocetus to whale? Bug to Nylon bug?

Whatever 6,000 years will allow.

FoeHammer.

 

[RedAndy]

Now let's do this the Creationist way:

I accept that evolution has occurred.

AHA! Look! FoeHammer accepts evolution!

 

[Logic_Fault]

Since the fall. (circa 4,000 BC)

FoeHammer.

Now show that such an event actually occurred and the mechanism that was preventing evolution from taking place up to that point.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Whatever 6,000 years will allow.

FoeHammer.

Generally not much for species with lifespans longer than insects. Certainly not what you seem to be implying.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Whatever 6,000 years will allow.

FoeHammer.

Apart from insects and bacteria, there isn't much that will change in a mere 6000 years.

 

[FoeHammer]

Now show that such an event actually occurred and the mechanism that was preventing evolution from taking place up to that point.

Genesis 1:1

FoeHammer.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Genesis 1:1

FoeHammer.

That's nice. I'm sure though, if I actually take the time to look, I can find superstitions from around the world that are sworn to be just as true as yours that directly contradict Genesis 1:1.

Instead of doing that I'll just ask that you show me actual evidence rather than a Bible quote as they are not the same thing. Please also cite evidence of what it is that prevented evolution up to that point since the universe, and in particular the Earth, has existed far longer than 6,000 years.

 

[Contracelsus]

Since the fall. (circa 4,000 BC)

FoeHammer.

Why?

 

[FoeHammer]

That's nice. I'm sure though, if I actually take the time to look, I can find superstitions from around the world that are sworn to be just as true as yours that directly contradict Genesis 1:1.

So what?

Instead of doing that I'll just ask that you show me actual evidence rather than a Bible quote as they are not the same thing.

Genesis is an eye witness account, since when do eye witness accounts not count as evidence?

Please also cite evidence of what it is that prevented evolution up to that point since the universe, and in particular the Earth, has existed far longer than 4,000 years.

What has evolution got to do with the age of the earth or the universe?

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

Why?

It was the examples of bacteria/bacteria and fruit flies/fruit flies that finally convinced me.

FoeHammer

 

[WilliamduBois]

So what?Genesis is an eye witness account, since when do eye witness accounts not count as evidence?

An eyewitness account? Who wrote it? God, Adam or Eve? If so, can you give me some evidence that they actually wrote it?

 

[Contracelsus]

It was the examples of bacteria/bacteria and fruit flies/fruit flies that finally convinced me.

FoeHammer

So why not take a second look at the vast amounts of data that say the earth is more than 6000 years old and that life has systematically changed over time as reflected in the fossils in the geologic column?

Data is data, after all.

 

[FoeHammer]

An eyewitness account? Who wrote it? God, Adam or Eve? If so, can you give me some evidence that they actually wrote it?

Come on, what's with the third degree? I've said that I accept evolution.

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

So why not take a second look at the vast amounts of data that say the earth is more than 6000 years old and that life has systematically changed over time as reflected in the fossils in the geologic column?

Data is data, after all.

What has the age of the earth got to do with evolution?

FoeHammer.

 

[Logic_Fault]

So what?

My point exactly. Your Genesis is as meaningless as the Navajo or Aztec creation story.

Genesis is an eye witness account, since when do eye witness accounts not count as evidence?

Genesis is an eyewitness account by who?

What has evolution got to do with the age of the earth or the universe?

Nothing directly, but you're stating evolution began 6,000 years ago. 6,000 years is not nearly enough time to see any amount of evolution in most species other than insects and algae.

What was it then that prevented evolution from happening for the previous 3.5 billion years (give or take) that the Earth had life on it?

 

[OdwinOddball]

What has the age of the earth got to do with evolution?

FoeHammer.

Better question, what does you playing silly little games instead of actually trying to actually learn something have to do with anything?

 

[FoeHammer]

My point exactly. Your Genesis is as meaningless as the Navajo or Aztec creation story.

To you.

Genesis is an eyewitness account by who?

God and possibly Adam.

Nothing directly, but you're stating evolution began 6,000 years ago. 6,000 years is not nearly enough time to see any amount of evolution in most species other than insects and algae.

And ''not nearly enough time'' is a problem for my acceptance of evolution how?

What was it then that prevented evolution from happening for the previous 3.5 billion years (give or take) that the Earth had life on it?

The ToE says nothing about 3.5 billion years, it's irrelevant.

FoeHammer.