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Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

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Yet, the article you posted quotes the statistics divided by these "wrong" concepts. So I guess the author doesn't understand it right either.

Evolution is just a theory. A theory can be modified. macro vs. micro is an attempted modification. Do you have any evidence they are indeed the same?

I don't have time to do the research, but I'm sure there are animals who cannot walk fast enough to travel a mile in their lifetime. For them, inches do not add up to miles.
 
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That the US is currently engaged in raising a generation of scientific illiterate folks, is certainly not news to me.

Plenty of american universities are FILLED with H1B foreigners, quite simply because they can't find any american students with the required expertise to enroll in those courses or programs.
 
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But we don't use the theory of how old the earth and sky are for anything, except to tell how old the earth and sky are.

Dude.................................. radiometric dating is a practical application of atomic theory.

If you are going to say that it doesn't work, then you are effectively saying that science doesn't understand how atoms work... And how atoms work is explained in/by ...-drumroll-.... atomic theory
 
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The only evidence for 3100 for Narmer is the Narmer stele and the level of writing displayed on it. And 3100 is far too early based on the level of writing on the sheep bowl tokens from Ur. The Sais gate makes Menes around 2900. That could make Narmer as late as 2960. Look instead for the zero-out dates of the two Egyptian (regnal and popular) calendars, and note that it matches the zero out date of the Mayan and Sumerian calendars.

The Hebrew word "all" does not mean "all" as in English. The Greek word does, but "all" and "only" are curiously absent from the Greek flood story quote in Peter. Lots of people survived that flood. You're right, the Biblical story as usually taught, is quite indefensible. The story as garnered from comparative literature is not. A hundred sixty years 3120-2960) is enough to get almost a million people, just from the 8. As far as inbreeding, Noah's sons could easily have had wives of three different cultures. Also, children were conceived on the ark, according to ancient legends. And there was lots of food on the ark.

And I disagree with the earlier dates from Egypt.
 
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You believe that. You don't know that.
No, I know that. Jesus lives in me, and this changes my life. If He did not rise, He did not ascend, and would not be available at the cosmic level to live in me. You do not accept this level of evidence, of course, since it uses techniques that were not developed by science,a nd is part of a reality that you have not experienced, just like I have never experienced the world before 6000BC.
 
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No, I'm saying that atoms may work that way today, but worked differently in the past. And I know several variation on the atomic theory - like particle vs. wave, orbitals vs. shells, quantum wave collapse yes or no...... Just because you can bake a cake does not mean you understand the chemical changes caused by baking soda.
 
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Yet, the article you posted quotes the statistics divided by these "wrong" concepts.

*I* didn't post any article.


So I guess the author doesn't understand it right either.

I guess so. Even if I have no clue what article you are talking about, if it distinguishes macro and micro as being seperate processes, then they are wrong about that, yes.

Evolution is just a theory.

Ow goody.... the "just a theory" statement. Awesome.

www.notjustatheory.com


A theory can be modified.

If new data/evidence demands it, yes.


macro vs. micro is an attempted modification.

No, it's not.

Do you have any evidence they are indeed the same?

Any of +200.000 peer reviewed scientific papers on the topic will do.

micro+micro+micro+.....+micro = macro.

It's not rocket science.
Evolution is a gradual process where micro changes accumulate every new generation. You understand what "accumulation" means, yes?

I don't have time to do the research, but I'm sure there are animals who cannot walk fast enough to travel a mile in their lifetime. For them, inches do not add up to miles.



And "do the research"? This is extremely basic stuff. It barely even qualifies as biology 101.
 
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No, I know that.

No, you believe that.

Knowledge is demonstrable.

As the saying goes: "you don't know it, if you can't show it"

You do not accept this level of evidence, of course

Idd, I don't. Just like you don't accept the exact same kind of evidence from people who claim to have been abducted by aliens or who had experiences with any other gods that isn't yours. Or whatever other crazy things people have claimed over the years.

Have you spoken with a scientologist recently? Maybe you should.

, since it uses techniques that were not developed by science,a nd is part of a reality that you have not experienced, just like I have never experienced the world before 6000BC.

While you complain about how the "new generation" of students that you need to "teach math" is scientifically illiterate... it seems as if you aren't that much better.
 
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No, I'm saying that atoms may work that way today, but worked differently in the past.

And perhaps the world was created 5 minutes ago, with all our memories implanted in our brains.

Do you have any valid reasons for suggesting that "atoms worked differently in the past"? Because it rather sounds as if the only reason for you to suggest this, is so you can "explain away" the facts of reality in favor of your religious beliefs.

Again it comes down to when your beliefs are at odds with reality, you assume there must be something wrong with reality.

It's a pretty bizar trail of thought.

And I know several variation on the atomic theory - like particle vs. wave, orbitals vs. shells, quantum wave collapse yes or no...... Just because you can bake a cake does not mean you understand the chemical changes caused by baking soda.

lol, yeah, okay, sure
 
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40 new alerts a day. I'm sorry I'll never find it. I responded to it this morning though.
I used theory in the same sense as your article does.
Can you get me one? Everything I have read says they are different. I would need laboratory proof of species change.
 
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There you go.

Newsflash: the evidence of reality, trumps stories written in books.
The procedures used to assign those dates were invented today, and may not apply that far back.
 
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It is not the exact same evidence. And I do in fact accept that they believe it.
I have read a lot of scientologists.
My employers, references, students, and degrees would disagree with you.
 
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You lack discernment, you can pray for wisdom ..
 
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That's right. I know Jesus rose from the dead. Since you self-identify as an atheist, I assume you do not know this.

I've seen no evidence of it. Unlike science, which relies on evidence stemming from the past.
 
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Google "observed instances of speciation".
 
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And I know several variation on the atomic theory - like particle vs. wave, orbitals vs. shells, quantum wave collapse yes or no.

All of those are elements of quantum theory. Only the last is an actual 'variation'. None of them have any importance for radiometric dating, based on nuclear theory.
 
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The procedures used to assign those dates were invented today, and may not apply that far back.

That makes exactly zero sense.

We can actually know that atoms worked in those days in the same was as they do today, by even the only the trivial fact that people in ancient times reported sunshine.

See, the workings of the sun are entirely dependend on how atoms work.
It's been doing what it does for 4.6 billion years now.
 
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