Hypocrites ?

[disciple Clint]

If it is not a complicated question, if it is indeed the one clear truth, how can people who claim that live in a nation and pay their taxes to support government that allows the murder of around 900 000 children each year and still spend their time on places like ethics & morality board of these forums rather than doing their utmost to stop these murders or indeed move away and stop supporting nation that apparently murders nearly a million of it's own citizens every year.

I have yet to receive an answer to this. All I ever get is platitudes, evasions



or the silence of the grave. Perhaps it is shame.

Nobody ever seems to want to admit that everyone treats a fetus and a child on their knee differently. It is different legally, ethically and morally and everyone acts that way whatever they may speak.

Matthew 7:5

or the silence of the grave. Perhaps it is shame.

What exactly is the shame, I do not understand what the meaning of this is, clarification is needed.

Nobody ever seems to want to admit that everyone treats a fetus and a child on their knee differently. It is different legally, ethically and morally and everyone acts that way whatever they may speak.

Well Nobody and Everyone almost always defeats the purpose of the statement by making it a gross generalization not supported by fact.
Why was Matthew 7:5 included in this post? Who does that apply to?

 

[Homeowner]

What exactly is the shame, I do not understand what the meaning of this is, clarification is needed.

Being any more clear about this would just get me a ban which probably was your intention in first place since you clearly are not going to answer the question anyway.

 

[disciple Clint]

Being any more clear about this would just get me a ban which probably was your intention in first place since you clearly are not going to answer the question anyway.

It is not at all clear what the question is or what is being communicated in post #20 apparently according to post #22 you feel that post #20 is a violation of the rules if that is the case it would be wise to edit it.

 

[Homeowner]

It is not at all clear what the question is

The question is ...

How can people who claim that abortion is murder live in a nation and pay their taxes to support government that allows the murder of around 900 000 children each year and still spend their time on places like ethics & morality board of these forums rather than doing their utmost to stop these murders or indeed move away and stop supporting nation that allows the murder of nearly a million of it's own citizens every year ?

 

[disciple Clint]

The question is ...

How can people who claim that abortion is murder live in a nation and pay their taxes to support government that allows the murder of around 900 000 children each year and still spend their time on places like ethics & morality board of these forums rather than doing their utmost to stop these murders or indeed move away and stop supporting nation that allows the murder of nearly a million of it's own citizens every year ?

I doubt that most people pay their taxes because they want to support abortion. There are some people doing what they can to eliminate or limit abortions.

 

[Homeowner]

I doubt that most people pay their taxes because they want to support abortion. There are some people doing what they can to eliminate or limit abortions.

I am sure they don't. Still they do it. Must be hard to live in country that murders nearly million child every year where most lenient gun laws around the globe exist to prevent tyranny and the form of le resistance is hitting your keyboard on ethics forums.

Could you perceive that this means people considering fetus to be actual children really don't hold to that attitude by their actions ?

 

[disciple Clint]

I am sure they don't. Still they do it. Must be hard to live in country that murders nearly million child every year where most lenient gun laws around the globe exist to prevent tyranny and le resistance is hitting your keyboard on ethics forums.

Could you perceive that this means people considering fetus to be actual children really don't hold to that attitude by their actions ?

No but thanks for asking

 

[Homeowner]

No but thanks for asking

Right. So what is your explanation why fiercely armed, patriotic nation, presumably worried about children and rainbow toys does squat when million children are murdered every year ?

 

[disciple Clint]

Right. So what is your explanation why fiercely armed, patriotic nation, presumably worried about children and rainbow toys does squat when million children are murdered every year ?

most informed persons are aware that things are indeed being done to correct this unfortunate process, people have demonstrated, states have written laws, and SCOTUS is considering changing one of he fundamental justifications for it.

 

[Homeowner]

most informed persons are aware that things are indeed being done to correct this unfortunate process, people have demonstrated, states have written laws, and SCOTUS is considering changing one of he fundamental justifications for it.

Yeah, everyone seems very chill about it. Things are being done, demonstrations even. Big whopee. the public gets upset every second week from this mass shooting or that where ten or twenty people are gunned down and there are again demonstrations.

But the scale, million murdered children. Nobody thinks that way. What kind of news value would some mass shooting be when during the same week 19000 children were already murdered.

You think if the government went and started to gather 19000 school kids each week and murdered them people would just take it as granted talking empty platitudes about laws and hoped it would pass sooner or later ?

Of course not. There would be a revolt and insurrection. Probably not civil war because it is hard to see anyone fighting for government that did that to children.

But there is none of that because people don't really believe that fetus is a child. You can lie to yourself about it all day long but as a society it is not a consideration.

 

[Zoii]

I don't think hypocrisy is the best way to understand the situation.

Middle Eastern oil, which at one time was very important for the global economy, is an easy motivator to understand. What is driving Putin is pure ideology.

and which also drove the USA attack upon Iraq

 

[RDKirk]

I disagree with almost everything in your post, but I especially disagree with this statement
When we have abortions authorized up to and including the day of birth, it is obvious that we are killing a human, it was a human from day one.

The fact that they are clearly human doesn't negate the fact that some people still don't consider them human.

@xser88 basically said the same thing you said in your own post #5.

That's always been true of the evil of humanity.

 

[RDKirk]

Don't be disingenuous. No hospital does that without legitimate medical reasons.

The law allows hospitals to determine the legitimacy of their own reasons.

Does the law allow you to determine the legitimacy of your own reasons?

 

[RDKirk]

I am sure they don't. Still they do it. Must be hard to live in country that murders nearly million child every year where most lenient gun laws around the globe exist to prevent tyranny and the form of le resistance is hitting your keyboard on ethics forums.

Could you perceive that this means people considering fetus to be actual children really don't hold to that attitude by their actions ?

The answer to your question is that we don't really care as much as we claim.

 

[FireDragon76]

The law allows hospitals to determine the legitimacy of their own reasons.

The legitimacy is determined by what the physicians view as the best interests of the patient.

 

[RDKirk]

The legitimacy is determined by what the physicians view as the best interests of the patient.

We all have our rationales.

 

[Homeowner]

The answer to your question is that we don't really care as much as we claim.

Which is my point. Hence this discussion under hypocrite thread.

 

[timothyu]

I doubt that most people pay their taxes because they want to support abortion.

True. They also, through no choice of their own, support wars and bailing out high end investors.

 

[Homeowner]

True. They also, through no choice of their own, support wars and bailing out high end investors.

There is always a choice. You can choose not to pay taxes and probably go to jail, you can move to countries that do not wage war or have stricter abortion criteria or have banned it altogether.

Countries Where Abortion Is Illegal 2022

It is only that this choice brings hardships that just about everyone finds too bothersome which is interesting when you compare it to their stated position of human life being most precious thing we can cherish after God and looking at it also of course your comfortable home and first world lifestyle.

Hypocrites. This thread is aptly named.

 

[timothyu]

You can choose not to pay taxes and probably go to jail, you can move to countries that do not wage war or have stricter abortion criteria or have banned it altogether.

There is also the practical choice of paying taxes, rendering to our particular Caesars what is theirs, and letting God sort out who misuses those taxes