Hypocrisy???

INRI2 · Oct 31, 2006

an annulment is when a member of the Catholic faith considers his/her marriage not to be a true marriage. Its like a divorce only that its not a divorce, because an annulment means the marriage actually never took place to begin with, it was not recognised by God.

The money I suspect would be for all the paper work, the union has to be seperated by law and that costs money.

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

HisKid1973 said:
How can they do that?? God sure knows it happened..k

cause they can! they are catholic and apparently can do what they want!

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

this thread is directed at a specific denomination - Catholics - moving to subforum here in GT.

Please if you have specific questions concerning a denomination - please post it in demomination specific theology or rather go to their congregation on CF and post in their forum, they love questions.

peace

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

INRI2 said:
an annulment is when a member of the Catholic faith considers his/her marriage not to be a true marriage. Its like a divorce only that its not a divorce, because an annulment means the marriage actually never took place to begin with, it was not recognised by God.

The money I suspect would be for all the paper work, the union has to be seperated by law and that costs money.

again though, WHO gave them that right?? If that is true, my marriage must not be legit. in God's eyes...NO! It is! I took my vows before HIM! SEE what I mean? Tis takes on a life of its own!

FijianBeliever · Oct 31, 2006

Hi All,

Married outside the Church... Sin

Steralization... Sin

The three marriages were not Catholic Marriages.... why should the church be forced to recognise them?

How can you respond like that? This is obviously a person who is hurting, and all you can do is to condemn her? An you call yourself Christian?

How is being married outside the Church a sin? If it is, then every marriage conducted outside the Church is a sin, and that would include...(let's see)...
Adam & Eve
Abraham and Sarah
Isaac and Rebekah
( basically all marriages before the Catholic Church were came into being)

A marriage is a marriage if it is consumated, not because it is "recognised" by a particular Church. Consumation is the key, not recognition.

Judahspraise, do not be provoked. Love is not provoked.

God Bless you All,
Isaia

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

FijianBeliever said:
Hi All,

How can you respond like that? This is obviously a person who is hurting, and all you can do is to condemn her? An you call yourself Christian?

How is being married outside the Church a sin? If it is, then every marriage conducted outside the Church is a sin, and that would include...(let's see)...
Adam & Eve
Abraham and Sarah
Isaac and Rebekah
( basically all marriages before the Catholic Church were came into being)

A marriage is a marriage if it is consumated, not because it is "recognised" by a particular Church. Consumation is the key, not recognition.

Judahspraise, do not be provoked. Love is not provoked.

God Bless you All,
Isaia

thank you. I won't. NOW the thread got moved again..this should be interesting! NOT that I am not willing to learn..but this? Not so sure. Shall see.

L3g3nd · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise said:
SO, going to try and hopefully keep this civil, whilst learning.

Judahspraise said:
cause they can! they are catholic and apparently can do what they want!

Why can't this stay civil?

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise said:
they seemed to in this case..and I am sure many plenty others..1200 wasn't a tithe trust me. It was to say hey, ok, your marriages NEVER happened. Nope, not a tithe..sorry. Its not right that a church orginazation comes along do that. For the record, I don't believe divorce etc. is right..but to declare it NEVER happened in the 'churches' eyes?? mmmm, no..that is wrong.

In the eyes of the church it happened, the church keeps records, my hubby's record still shows he was married to his first wife. and we are best freinds

love is more important then what a church says..

If you do not believe divorce, then sorry, many of my sisters had bad marriages and could not live on, rather be divorced then beaten.

why do you care if you say you do not believe in the RCC?

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

L3g3nd said:
Why can't this stay civil?

I am really hoping it can. BUT as you see, others are just as abrasive....not that makes me being that way right. I apologize.

Why do I care?? Cause I Love my mother...and wish she never got sucked into this. I really do. Her choice for sure. I love her the same. You are right, that in God's eyes, it did happen..and I am here as a result. I guess I care too, cause said church claims to be the only 'true' church and yet, they don't hold to THE Truth! They over look, side step, dance around issues just to have converts. Seems deceptive as well as hypocritical.

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

You love your Mother, so this should not be a problem. I have many sisters who are not practicing Christians, do not go to church, sin daily, like they think they can do what they want. That is more which hurts me then who goes to what church or what a church says.. Jesus covers all who come to him.. pray for them

INRI2 · Oct 31, 2006

WHY should the church call it a sin???
WHO gave them the right?

are you christian at all?

You sound more secular!

The church calls it a sin, if a Catholic is married outside the church it is a sin, it is fornication, co habbitation..IT IS NOT MARRIAGE

Who gave them that right... Jesus

whatever you bind on earth and all that, ring any bells?

who's sins you forgive they are forgiven etc

That is another HUGE issue I have with this denomination, cause they view anyone outside the catholic denomination not 'christian' or whatever. that simply isn't true. I won't adhere to ALOT of the stuff this church perpetrates.

Protestants are only Christians according to the Catholic faith only by their baptism into the Catholic faith even if it is in another denomination a faith which they protest.

So Christian/catholic yes...practicing Catholic/christian no.

It just is not right? then how is it right for a Christian from any denomination to leave his wife or wives and remarry and no church to except them?

Amen ! This whole thread is hypocrisy

How can they do that?? God sure knows it happened..k

Thats just it..it didnt happen according to God.

You were sure it happened, thought you saw it happen with your eyes... but not according to God.....there was no marriage.

cause they can! they are catholic and apparently can do what they want!

more or less yes!

Obviously we have to remain faithful to the apostolic tradition handed down, but we have this great law giving the church powers to bind and loosen.

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

GraceInHim said:
You love your Mother, so this should not be a problem. I have many sisters who are not practicing Christians, do not go to church, sin daily, like they think they can do what they want. That is more which hurts me then who goes to what church or what a church says.. Jesus covers all who come to him.. pray for them

practicing christians = catholic?? Guess I am not a good 'christian' then...oh man....

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

INRI2 said:
are you christian at all?

You sound more secular!

The church calls it a sin, if a Catholic is married outside the church it is a sin, it is fornication, co habbitation..IT IS NOT MARRIAGE

Who gave them that right... Jesus

whatever you bind on earth and all that, ring any bells?

who's sins you forgive they are forgiven etc

Protestants are only Christians according to the Catholic faith only by their baptism into the Catholic faith even if it is in another denomination a faith which they protest.

So Christian/catholic yes...practicing Catholic/christian no.

Amen ! This whole thread is hypocrisy

Thats just it..it didnt happen according to God.

You were sure it happened, thought you saw it happen with your eyes... but not according to God.....there was no marriage.

more or less yes!

Obviously we have to remain faithful to the apostolic tradition handed down, but we have this great law giving the church powers to bind and loosen.

YOU are kidding I hope?????????? If you aren't you have TOTALLY turned me OFF of this denomination. There are ALOT of people living in sin then...cause they didn't get married in this institution...oh goodness..i am going to try and remember my manners.

YES< I am a christian because I HAVE accepted the wonderful gift God gave me by shedding HIS blood on the cross. I CONFESS Him as my saviour. am I a catholic? NO! NEVER will be either....

YOUR denomination calls it a sin...NOT God. SHOW me SCRITPURE. WHAT in heaven's name does binding and losing in heaven have to do with ANYTHING?!?!?!!? NOTHING..at least concerning marriage. It is NOT sin to not be a catholic. DUH, it DID happen! It produced THREE children...so yeah, in a sense I was there...YOU admit that the Catholic denomination can DO WHAT IT WANTS???? OK...at least that we agree on.

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise said:
practicing christians = catholic?? Guess I am not a good 'christian' then...oh man....

I have a Baptist sister who stopped being a Christian..

meaning, gave up the walk with Christ, turned back on Christ and walked the walk she walked before.. pray she comes back whichever church she goes to, even if she does it alone in her home, she is a child of God not mine and not anyone elses

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise said:
amen, thank you sister. God IS SO good..that he doesn't look at denominations. Praise God for that.

no, he looks at your heart and your mind and soul

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

INRI2 said:
are you christian at all?

You sound more secular!

The church calls it a sin, if a Catholic is married outside the church it is a sin, it is fornication, co habbitation..IT IS NOT MARRIAGE

Who gave them that right... Jesus

whatever you bind on earth and all that, ring any bells?

who's sins you forgive they are forgiven etc

Protestants are only Christians according to the Catholic faith only by their baptism into the Catholic faith even if it is in another denomination a faith which they protest.

So Christian/catholic yes...practicing Catholic/christian no.

Amen ! This whole thread is hypocrisy

Thats just it..it didnt happen according to God.

You were sure it happened, thought you saw it happen with your eyes... but not according to God.....there was no marriage.

more or less yes!

Obviously we have to remain faithful to the apostolic tradition handed down, but we have this great law giving the church powers to bind and loosen.

I am sorry you have to be so mean and cruel. You haven't helped the catholic cause in my eyes. I was honestly trying to learn..but you have succeeded at pushing me further and further away from this religion. Thank you Jesus I have relationship with You, not religion.

HisBelovedMelody · Oct 31, 2006

GraceInHim said:
no, he looks at your heart and your mind and soul

Thank you, that is very helpful.

GraceInHim · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise said:
Thank you, that is very helpful.

what I look at here is we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.. let God judge who is not.

Good Night

Rebekka · Oct 31, 2006

Judahspraise, I don't know if this is of any help - I hope so:

I don't understand why the priest who helped your mother get her annulments said you and your siblings were not legitimate. As far as I know, in case of annulment the children born in the annulled marriage still remain legitimate for the church. I think the priest who said they were not legitimate made a mistake. And it was definitely insensitive.

It is hard to understand why a marriage that 'never existed' (which is how annulment, roughly, is understood) still was able to bring legitimate children into the world, but I have read on catholic sites about canonic law (in Dutch, so I can't quote them) that children from these annulled marriages are recognized by the church as legitimate.

FijianBeliever · Oct 31, 2006

The church calls it a sin, if a Catholic is married outside the church it is a sin, it is fornication, co habbitation..IT IS NOT MARRIAGE

What do you call marriages between non-Catholic Christians then?

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