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Hypnosis

Havoc

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Originally posted by Hobokinite
I have no proof just experience. But just like the Kennedy Assination, what proof do we need to know that something is fishy.

Like Havok posted, SRA is probably wildly over reported.

But, I know it exists.

I'm no expert so let's drop the subject. I'm sure you can find many websites about it.

You admit you're no expert but you feel confident in contradicting the people who are experts. I'm sure Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth V. Lanning and his staff at the Behavioral Science Unit, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, Federal Bureau of Investigation would like to hear how you managed to find out what their investigation missed.

You say you know it exists. How exactly do you know it exists? Have you talked to the "victims"? If so how do you "know" these people were relating actual events? Did you witness the events yourself? If so what actual events did you witness? Did you report any of these crimes to the police? Do you have sufficient background to even know what SRA is?

I don't really feel like dropping the subject just because you want to toss in the last word and run. A lot of innocent people in past years have had their lives ruined by these unsubstantiated allegations. People of my faith constantly have to fight the stereotypes that the SRA Panic generated. A lot of seriously ill people are even today being prevented from seeking real professional help for mental illneses by charlatans masquerading as "SRA Deliverance" counsellors seeking fame and fortune at the expense of others. The real victims of SRA are the ones being victimised by the SRA believers and we owe it to them to challenge the charlatans and stop the false witness.

So please tell us exactly how you "know" it exists.
 
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I know it exists because I minister to hundreds of people and have seen it crop up a number of times.

I have also seen God heal them.

Now, you'll ask for evidence that God exists.

Look, I'm just a guy that shows up to help people.
True, there are people making bucks and hurting people with these repressed memories curses (SRA included). But, some of us are doing it cause that's what Jesus commanded us to do.
 
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No I'll just ask how you know it's SRA, but I see you refuse to say. Yet you still cling to saying you "know" in the face of evidence to the contrary. I'm afraid your credibility in this subject is rather lacking.

SRA doesn't exist, except in the minds of people who want it to exist, your supposed "knowledge" notwithstanding.
 
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Hynosis is really nothing to be afraid of. You arent possesed by the devil or forced to do anything that you dont want to do.
Hypnosis is a state similiar to meditation, between sleep and awake, a state of relaxation. No one can force you to become hypnotised, you have to go willingly, however people can help you become hypnotised. In this state your critical mind is lessend and your creative mind is increased. Which is why you are open for suggestions. Your critical mind doesn fight the suggestion as much and your creative mind runs with it. However, this doesnt mean you can be forced to do something you wouldnt want to do, as your morals are still in place.
Recently there have been many findings of medical uses for hypnosis.
There are also entertainment uses. These are where hypnosis gets a lot of its bad names. The people chosen to be hypnotised are people who are very willing to do it. When the Hypnotist interviews people he throws out anyone who may be skeptical. The people on stage are people who are willing and not afraid to be hynotized, and arent skeptical. Hypnosis wont work or wont work well on those that arent willing, afraid or skeptical. So the hypnotist chooses prime subject to be on stage. They also interview the people before hand to figure out what their suggestions can be, as peoples morals will keep them from following certain types of suggestions. There is also a form of peer preassure on stage. If someone isnt hypnotised, they may feel peer preassure to act as if they are, and go along with it.

I hate to alarm anyone but most of us have been in a state of hypnosis at one time or another. Ever been driving in your car on a common route and you arived to where you were going but dont remember the journey between? Or ever listened to a piece of music and got to the end before you think you should of? Or ever read a book and not realize how much time has gone by? These are states of hypnosis.


Hobokinite: So you have opinion. However, you must be carefull stating your opinion as fact.

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I can however understand how hypnosis might become frightning. If the subject is afraid it can keep hypnosis from happening. However it is possible that if the subject is afraid and tired, that you could go more into the dream state (instead of being at a point inbetween awake and dreaming). In dreams your mind creates things to symbolize feelings. So if you were afraid and you went into a dreaming state (instead of a hypnotic state) it would stand to reason that your brain manifested your fears as bad things in your dream. These bad things are not directly linked to the hypnosis, only to your fear or aprehension to it.

Originally posted by Micaiah
Feral told us her experience with hypnosis. Her experiences made her concerned and scared enought to avoid the same situation again. What do people encounter under hypnosis. Is it just a psychological thing, or is it satanic? Is all hypnosis satanic?
 
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Well im sure true devil worshipers exist. However they arent satanists.
Santanism is a completly different religion than christianity. I dont believe they even believe in the devil.

Are there "witches" that worship the devil? Yep, im sure there are. However they are thought of the same way in the Witch comunity as the people who kill and judge people and claim they are christian.
They dont understand the religion, and are following their own religion, but they are calling it something else.



Originally posted by Hobokinite
Do true Lucifer-worshipping Satanists exist? Or do they all get a bad rap too?
 
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Bro,

I concede that, yes, I have no physical proof other than the testimonies of people who have been helped and set free.

Was this all a figment off their imagination? I don't think so. But, you can believe whatever you'd like.

Same as the healing testimony I posted where people refused to believe it was true. I saw it with my own eyes. From disabled to normal. I give God the glory. Either way, a life is changed and saved.
 
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The imagination can be a powerfull thing.

Have you seen any stigmatas?

Originally posted by Hobokinite
Bro,

I concede that, yes, I have no physical proof other than the testimonies of people who have been helped and set free.

Was this all a figment off their imagination? I don't think so. But, you can believe whatever you'd like.

Same as the healing testimony I posted where people refused to believe it was true. I saw it with my own eyes. From disabled to normal. I give God the glory. Either way, a life is changed and saved.
 
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Originally posted by Hobokinite
Bro,

I concede that, yes, I have no physical proof other than the testimonies of people who have been helped and set free.

Was this all a figment off their imagination? I don't think so. But, you can believe whatever you'd like.

Same as the healing testimony I posted where people refused to believe it was true. I saw it with my own eyes. From disabled to normal. I give God the glory. Either way, a life is changed and saved.

I believe that satan and his agents control the lives of some people. Some are demon possessed. Christ liberated many from such possession. I haven't personally witnessed this, but I've heard some stories.

Some claim that anger, lust, obesity etc result from demon possession and claim to cast out such demons. I'm sceptical.
 
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I would have to agree that there are some strange things around. :) I unfortunatly dont know what they are.

a Taoist. A skeptic, not as much about unknown events, but to the quick explinations of them. :)

I asked about stigmatas because from what I understand, most stigmatas are at the very least incorrect, since nails were never put through his hands.



Originally posted by Hobokinite
Arikay,

I haven't seen stigmata. Rather not after lunch you know.

But I have seen some funky things.

Why don't you tell us about yourself, so we know who we're talking to -- A Christian, a skeptic, a candlestickmaker, what?

Mike
 
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